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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 31, 2021 8:38:37 GMT
If he’s the champion for truck drivers they’re well and truly knackered…..
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 31, 2021 9:32:28 GMT
If he’s the champion for truck drivers they’re well and truly knackered….. He seems to be talking a lot of sense on this subject. Interestingly he is raising similar points to Unite.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 31, 2021 9:46:53 GMT
If he’s the champion for truck drivers they’re well and truly knackered….. He seems to be talking a lot of sense on this subject. Interestingly he is raising similar points to Unite. You can't say that Partick....stick to the rules, you HAVE to be on one side or the other.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 31, 2021 9:51:20 GMT
He seems to be talking a lot of sense on this subject. Interestingly he is raising similar points to Unite. You can't say that Partick....stick to the rules, you HAVE to be on one side or the other. You don't John, but one look at his own words and voting record over the years suggests he's had a massive change of heart here, a bang to the head maybe? Either way I don't disagree with him on this, I'm just cynical of his motives. And coming from the man who blamed "The left" when he burnt his toast this morning I have to admire your shameless hypocrisy......
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Post by mrcoke on Aug 31, 2021 10:37:59 GMT
I started this thread last week because I had picked up that the driver shortage is a world wide issue not just a UK problem. Here is the latest article I have found on the European scene which would indicate other countries are just as short of drivers as the UK if not worse. www.globalcoldchainnews.com/driver-shortage-is-pan-european/It could of course be the case that one country may be more critically affected because of factors like population, degree of difficulty of logistics (our motorways are clogged up), dependency on imports, qualifications needed to drive specific vehicles, drivers hours rules and how rigorously enforced, etc. So one country might have a lesser shortage of drivers but more impacted because of local circumstances. For example Poland has a massive shortage of drivers, but it may nevertheless affect Poland less than other countries. I'd be interested in any "transport person's" views on the article.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 31, 2021 10:41:57 GMT
You can't say that Partick....stick to the rules, you HAVE to be on one side or the other. You don't John, but one look at his own words and voting record over the years suggests he's had a massive change of heart here, a bang to the head maybe? Either way I don't disagree with him on this, I'm just cynical of his motives. And coming from the man who blamed "The left" when he burnt his toast this morning I have to admire your shameless hypocrisy...... Not hypocritical at all, but the left have also made everything personal ( and often nasty) when they lose an argument. The " Left" have indeed let the country down very badly, a bit too arrogant and self righteous to see it though.....know what I mean?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 31, 2021 10:44:15 GMT
You don't John, but one look at his own words and voting record over the years suggests he's had a massive change of heart here, a bang to the head maybe? Either way I don't disagree with him on this, I'm just cynical of his motives. And coming from the man who blamed "The left" when he burnt his toast this morning I have to admire your shameless hypocrisy...... Not hypocritical at all, but the left have also made everything personal ( and often nasty) when they lose an argument. The " Left" have indeed let the country down very badly, a bit too arrogant and self righteous to see it though..... know what I mean?Not really John.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 31, 2021 10:50:48 GMT
Not hypocritical at all, but the left have also made everything personal ( and often nasty) when they lose an argument. The " Left" have indeed let the country down very badly, a bit too arrogant and self righteous to see it though..... know what I mean?Not really John. I guess you don't
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 31, 2021 12:56:21 GMT
You don't John, but one look at his own words and voting record over the years suggests he's had a massive change of heart here, a bang to the head maybe? Either way I don't disagree with him on this, I'm just cynical of his motives. And coming from the man who blamed "The left" when he burnt his toast this morning I have to admire your shameless hypocrisy...... Not hypocritical at all, but the left have also made everything personal ( and often nasty) when they lose an argument. The " Left" have indeed let the country down very badly, a bit too arrogant and self righteous to see it though.....know what I mean? Absolute nonsense as per whenever facts get in the way of an agenda. We know everything is the fault of "The Left" in your view, John, but "The Left" hasn't been in power in this country for over forty-two years. Open your eyes (and mind).
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 31, 2021 13:37:55 GMT
Not hypocritical at all, but the left have also made everything personal ( and often nasty) when they lose an argument. The " Left" have indeed let the country down very badly, a bit too arrogant and self righteous to see it though.....know what I mean? Absolute nonsense as per whenever facts get in the way of an agenda. We know everything is the fault of "The Left" in your view, John, but "The Left" hasn't been in power in this country for over forty-two years. Open your eyes (and mind). I wonder why they haven't been in power? Mind you the recent " left" have managed to make themselves irrelevant. They " blame" each other....you know " us, the righteous real left" against " the pretend left". They do like the word " blame" , they need "victims" in order to feel good about themselves. Nothing to contribute. .
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 31, 2021 15:10:10 GMT
Absolute nonsense as per whenever facts get in the way of an agenda. We know everything is the fault of "The Left" in your view, John, but "The Left" hasn't been in power in this country for over forty-two years. Open your eyes (and mind). I wonder why they haven't been in power? Mind you the recent " left" have managed to make themselves irrelevant. They " blame" each other....you know " us, the righteous real left" against " the pretend left". They do like the word " blame" , they need "victims" in order to feel good about themselves. Nothing to contribute. . Obsessed.
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Post by questionable on Aug 31, 2021 15:12:58 GMT
I was waiting at the train line crossing in Nantwich a few days ago and an absolutely enormously long train came through with nothing but Tesco containers on, didn’t see the front of the train but from what I saw there must have been 30 plus Tesco containers.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 31, 2021 15:14:47 GMT
I wonder why they haven't been in power? Mind you the recent " left" have managed to make themselves irrelevant. They " blame" each other....you know " us, the righteous real left" against " the pretend left". They do like the word " blame" , they need "victims" in order to feel good about themselves. Nothing to contribute. . Obsessed. Not really but it certainly gets to you.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 31, 2021 15:17:03 GMT
Not really but it certainly gets to you. If it makes you feel better John, knock yourself out……
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 31, 2021 15:23:34 GMT
Not really but it certainly gets to you. Of it makes you feel better John, knock yourself out…… I feel fine, thanks. Keep your defence of the left up.... it is improving things for them.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 31, 2021 15:27:23 GMT
Of it makes you feel better John, knock yourself out…… I feel fine, thanks. Keep your defence of the left up.... it is improving things for them. I wasn’t defending the left, merely highlighting your endless droning about this monolithic group of people..……
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 31, 2021 15:29:57 GMT
I feel fine, thanks. Keep your defence of the left up.... it is improving things for them. I wasn’t defending the left, merely highlighting your endless droning about this monolithic group of people..…… Good lad
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 31, 2021 15:30:20 GMT
I wasn’t defending the left, merely highlighting your endless droning about this monolithic group of people..…… Good lad Nice one Grandpa, speak soon……
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 31, 2021 15:32:14 GMT
Nice one Grandpa, speak soon…… Tatty bye
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Post by mtrstudent on Sept 2, 2021 9:18:05 GMT
Lorry driver Tom Reddy on 40% pay boost, and a few others. Saw other stuff from this Tom lad and he seems to have his head screwed on right, seems very aware and thoughtful. I wouldn't want to be a haulier, would ruin Tuesday/Thursday night football.
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 2, 2021 10:35:57 GMT
Lorry driver Tom Reddy on 40% pay boost, and a few others. Saw other stuff from this Tom lad and he seems to have his head screwed on right, seems very aware and thoughtful. I wouldn't want to be a haulier, would ruin Tuesday/Thursday night football. The interesting point to me is he wants to leave the industry, even if offered £80,000. Recent generations get locked into chasing money to pay the mortgage, keep up with Joneses, etc. but todays young people leave further education with a large debt, have little prospect of buying a house, and live for today. Lorry driving is not attractive to the young today. The fishing debate has died down and huge play was made over the damage Brexit did to fishing. The reality is very few young people want to go into fishing. A large part of the UK's fishing quota is actually taken up by foreign companies.* Young people today want to continue there education in media studies, economics, computer science, etc.; very few want to learn a trade or develop a skill. *https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/52420116
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 2, 2021 10:41:17 GMT
Lorry driver Tom Reddy on 40% pay boost, and a few others. Saw other stuff from this Tom lad and he seems to have his head screwed on right, seems very aware and thoughtful. I wouldn't want to be a haulier, would ruin Tuesday/Thursday night football. The interesting point to me is he wants to leave the industry, even if offered £80,000. Recent generations get locked into chasing money to pay the mortgage, keep up with Joneses, etc. but todays young people leave further education with a large debt, have little prospect of buying a house, and live for today. Lorry driving is not attractive to the young today. The fishing debate has died down and huge play was made over the damage Brexit did to fishing. The reality is very few young people want to go into fishing. A large part of the UK's fishing quota is actually taken up by foreign companies. Young people today want to continue there education in media studies, economics, computer science, etc.; very few want to learn a trade or develop a skill. Covid has clearly (and rightly) made people reassess their work/life balance. In our company we have seen a decline in drivers willing to work nights and/or weekends. That creates a huge problem as in the Retail/FMCG sector you often have stood vehicles on a Tuesday/Wednesday but all your vehicles on the road Friday night into the weekend, this is purely down to the way the DC's ship out their stock to retailers in line with consumer buying patterns. If you want to help as a consumer, do your weekly shopping Mon-Thu instead of at the weekend...........
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Post by danceswithclams on Sept 2, 2021 12:01:49 GMT
Lorry driving is not attractive to the young today. I suspect that the trade became unattractive to many when they made it more difficult to go round killing prostitutes. Typical short-sightedness from the government.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 2, 2021 12:39:44 GMT
Lorry driving is not attractive to the young today. I suspect that the trade became unattractive to many when they made it more difficult to go round killing prostitutes. Typical short-sightedness from the government. Those tight bastard serial killers unwilling to pay their congestion zone fees........
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Sept 2, 2021 14:03:51 GMT
Lorry driver Tom Reddy on 40% pay boost, and a few others. Saw other stuff from this Tom lad and he seems to have his head screwed on right, seems very aware and thoughtful. I wouldn't want to be a haulier, would ruin Tuesday/Thursday night football. The interesting point to me is he wants to leave the industry, even if offered £80,000. Recent generations get locked into chasing money to pay the mortgage, keep up with Joneses, etc. but todays young people leave further education with a large debt, have little prospect of buying a house, and live for today. Lorry driving is not attractive to the young today. The fishing debate has died down and huge play was made over the damage Brexit did to fishing. The reality is very few young people want to go into fishing. A large part of the UK's fishing quota is actually taken up by foreign companies.* Young people today want to continue there education in media studies, economics, computer science, etc.; very few want to learn a trade or develop a skill. *https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/52420116 Ah so the penny is beginning to drop. If we give all our kids AAA* at GCSE and let them all study at Youknee then they're expecting to either travel the globe or become Amazon's next CEO. At which point imported labour doesn't become about 'cheap' labour because you're going to have to pay handsomely to get anyone to be prepared to do our shite and unsociable jobs. Now go and tell John Redwood that.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Sept 2, 2021 14:18:19 GMT
The interesting point to me is he wants to leave the industry, even if offered £80,000. Recent generations get locked into chasing money to pay the mortgage, keep up with Joneses, etc. but todays young people leave further education with a large debt, have little prospect of buying a house, and live for today. Lorry driving is not attractive to the young today. The fishing debate has died down and huge play was made over the damage Brexit did to fishing. The reality is very few young people want to go into fishing. A large part of the UK's fishing quota is actually taken up by foreign companies. Young people today want to continue there education in media studies, economics, computer science, etc.; very few want to learn a trade or develop a skill. Covid has clearly (and rightly) made people reassess their work/life balance. In our company we have seen a decline in drivers willing to work nights and/or weekends. That creates a huge problem as in the Retail/FMCG sector you often have stood vehicles on a Tuesday/Wednesday but all your vehicles on the road Friday night into the weekend, this is purely down to the way the DC's ship out their stock to retailers in line with consumer buying patterns. If you want to help as a consumer, do your weekly shopping Mon-Thu instead of at the weekend........... That and spread your christmas shopping through the year - (even the fresh stuff!!) - instead of leaving it all until the last minute.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Sept 2, 2021 16:12:27 GMT
The interesting point to me is he wants to leave the industry, even if offered £80,000. Recent generations get locked into chasing money to pay the mortgage, keep up with Joneses, etc. but todays young people leave further education with a large debt, have little prospect of buying a house, and live for today. Lorry driving is not attractive to the young today. The fishing debate has died down and huge play was made over the damage Brexit did to fishing. The reality is very few young people want to go into fishing. A large part of the UK's fishing quota is actually taken up by foreign companies.* Young people today want to continue there education in media studies, economics, computer science, etc.; very few want to learn a trade or develop a skill. *https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/52420116 Ah so the penny is beginning to drop. If we give all our kids AAA* at GCSE and let them all study at Youknee then they're expecting to either travel the globe or become Amazon's next CEO. At which point imported labour doesn't become about 'cheap' labour because you're going to have to pay handsomely to get anyone to be prepared to do our shite and unsociable jobs. Now go and tell John Redwood that. It always amused me during the worst initial stages of the pandemic how much emphasis was put on making sure that the aptly named key workers were able to carry on doing their often poorly paid jobs, with absolutely no realisation of the irony of those two facts, hence the fuss about giving nurses 1%...
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 4, 2021 9:44:01 GMT
The interesting point to me is he wants to leave the industry, even if offered £80,000. Recent generations get locked into chasing money to pay the mortgage, keep up with Joneses, etc. but todays young people leave further education with a large debt, have little prospect of buying a house, and live for today. Lorry driving is not attractive to the young today. The fishing debate has died down and huge play was made over the damage Brexit did to fishing. The reality is very few young people want to go into fishing. A large part of the UK's fishing quota is actually taken up by foreign companies. Young people today want to continue there education in media studies, economics, computer science, etc.; very few want to learn a trade or develop a skill. Covid has clearly (and rightly) made people reassess their work/life balance. In our company we have seen a decline in drivers willing to work nights and/or weekends. That creates a huge problem as in the Retail/FMCG sector you often have stood vehicles on a Tuesday/Wednesday but all your vehicles on the road Friday night into the weekend, this is purely down to the way the DC's ship out their stock to retailers in line with consumer buying patterns. If you want to help as a consumer, do your weekly shopping Mon-Thu instead of at the weekend........... I fully endorse your thread. Covid has made a lot of people realise what is important in life: - your health, your family, your relaxation time, etc. - not chasing money to pay for the latest phone or next foreign holiday. I say a lot of people, not everyone is the same. I think this not only applies to us Brits but to those European drivers who returned to their homeland. Never mind work/money, Brexit, etc. being at home with the family who don't want you to go back to the UK is now appreciated more. So what about logistics in the future? We see that other areas of commerce are now being affected by lorry driver shortages, such as beer, and Ikea. Is this because the problem is growing or what I suspect, logistics companies are attracting employees away from other companies, so the problem is being passed on to someone else. So what is being done? As always when you search the internet you find everyone wants to talk about the problem, but there is nothing about resolving it. To solve the problem we actually need to do two things: 1. Increase the number of drivers. Just as there was a large loss of drivers due to changing their lifestyle last year, this year and next I expect their will be far fewer retirements as a lot of those who would have retired or left the industry have already gone. One of the major causes for the shortfall was lack of training and testing last year due to the pandemic. So if training and testing has returned to normal there should be a net increase in drivers. Hopefully logistic companies and their customers will appreciate the value of drivers and pay more, thereby attracting people (back) into the business, but some will need training. The public are returning to shopping, so the supermarkets will need fewer delivery drivers, although it will never go back to the way it was pre-pandemic. 2. Increase efficiency. All companies can improve efficiency and I expect logistics companies will find ways to squeeze more out of their resources and improve their assets, such as more appropriate vehicles which are constantly being replaced. I see far less trailers on lorries than I used to in the 50s and 60s - why is this? More pleasing to me would be stopping needless transportation of goods. During our membership of the EU, we have seen ever increasing movement of goods, due to large distribution centres. The Honda factory closed at Swindon and was immediately turned into a massive logistics centre. There was a case quoted at the start of Brexit about bicycle saddles being bought in the from an Italian cycle company that was actually produced in Smethwick. The saddles were shipped to Italy from the Smethwick factory to be distributed world wide from the Italian distribution centre, including the UK. Demand. It is unlikely demand will reduce in the future, however increased transport costs will curb demand to some degree. Increased transport costs will make locally produced goods more competitive. Maybe more British people will buy British cheese instead of French cheese? Or, some entrepreneurial British cheese producer spot an opportunity to produce cheese that tastes like French cheese (I love Roule!) and produce it cheaper if French cheese is more expensive due to transport and Brexit!
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 6, 2021 15:22:22 GMT
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Post by franklin on Sept 7, 2021 7:29:35 GMT
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