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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 14, 2022 8:19:14 GMT
Surely there’s plenty of suitors for Batth with how good a defender I keep getting told he is? Ba’ath is a decent defender in a back four but doesn’t fit anywhere in a back three. Unfortunately neither do any of the other that are available either. I think his defence capabilities are very overstated. He basically can clear it. He doesn’t read the game well, he’s slow and makes some really daft errors. |
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Post by chiswickpotter on Jan 14, 2022 8:22:05 GMT
They conceded two and lost just for info......  Sssshhh…stay on message |
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Post by pottersrule on Jan 14, 2022 8:45:02 GMT
Ostigaard passing let him down I thought It wasn’t as good as it should have been nor was I expecting but Batth needs replacing not Ostigard. It was bloody awful the Fulham game in particular springs to mind.Defensively he was no better than average. |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 14, 2022 9:08:18 GMT
Ba’ath is a decent defender in a back four but doesn’t fit anywhere in a back three. Unfortunately neither do any of the other that are available either. I think his defence capabilities are very overstated. He basically can clear it. He doesn’t read the game well, he’s slow and makes some really daft errors. I read your comment and as we are on an thread entitled ‘Ostigard’ I assumed you were talking about him until I realised what you were replying to. However, from the the little I saw of Ostigard your description fits him perfectly. Another one who has become better the less he has played. |
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Post by bigsalif on Jan 14, 2022 9:36:09 GMT
Going from not getting on our bench to scoring at the San Siro. Not bad Just shows you how messed up our club is by letting him go Something must’ve gone on that we don’t know about.. You don’t go from not getting in our team to playing in Serie A it’s just not plausible |
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Post by spiderpuss on Jan 14, 2022 9:49:51 GMT
Just shows you how messed up our club is by letting him go Something must’ve gone on that we don’t know about.. You don’t go from not getting in our team to playing in Serie A it’s just not plausible Scoreline reads 3-1, so that's the reason he's not here. Regardless of a catch em cold goal. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2022 9:58:07 GMT
Sorry, are we using a 3-1 defeat at Champions League club and second in Serie A AC Milan as justification as to why he couldn't get in a team that is conceding more than a goal a game at a dreadful Championship level?
Ok then...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2022 10:03:31 GMT
Ba’ath is a decent defender in a back four but doesn’t fit anywhere in a back three. Unfortunately neither do any of the other that are available either. I think his defence capabilities are very overstated. He basically can clear it. He doesn’t read the game well, he’s slow and makes some really daft errors. Sounds like a standard Championship defender to me then. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 14, 2022 10:09:12 GMT
I think his defence capabilities are very overstated. He basically can clear it. He doesn’t read the game well, he’s slow and makes some really daft errors. I read your comment and as we are on an thread entitled ‘Ostigard’ I assumed you were talking about him until I realised what you were replying to. However, from the the little I saw of Ostigard your description fits him perfectly. Another one who has become better the less he has played. He was overrated more when he played but he’s miles better than Batth. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 14, 2022 11:01:00 GMT
Just shows you how messed up our club is by letting him go Something must’ve gone on that we don’t know about.. You don’t go from not getting in our team to playing in Serie A it’s just not plausible Not really, the manager saw him play, decided he isn't what he wants/needs and off he pops. I don't think there has to have been a fall out over it. |
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Post by spiderpuss on Jan 14, 2022 11:05:28 GMT
Sorry, are we using a 3-1 defeat at Champions League club and second in Serie A AC Milan as justification as to why he couldn't get in a team that is conceding more than a goal a game at a dreadful Championship level? Ok then... No, but it's also not a reason to think he would have solved every defensive issue we have. He didn't get on here, move on. I'd still expect a better scoreline if he was the player some are making out on here. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2022 11:08:29 GMT
Sorry, are we using a 3-1 defeat at Champions League club and second in Serie A AC Milan as justification as to why he couldn't get in a team that is conceding more than a goal a game at a dreadful Championship level? Ok then... I'd still expect a better scoreline if he was the player some are making out on here. What are you expecting, clean sheets every time he plays against a Champions League side to prove what exactly? That most fans were right to ask for him ahead of James Chester and anything less and Chezzies the man?
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 14, 2022 11:16:48 GMT
I think the situation was complicated by MON's belief that he could only play on the right of the three (where he's playing at Genoa). He was pretty open about it from the word go.
You can certainly question why we signed him if that was the case, with Wilmot already in the building for a few weeks.
Doesn't sound like there was a chance we'd consider him centrally or the left.
So if it was a choice of developing our own £1.5m player (Wilmot) or playing Ostigard, we've got to go with Wilmot.
Let's face it, it's not as if Ostigard was pulling up trees. He was very average.
Chester has a history of playing on the left, despite being right-footed. So there was some logic as Wilmot didn't look at home there either.
If Harwood-Bellis can do some kind of Souttar impression, and if money is as tight as is being suggested, I think we've made the right call in shipping him out and using the cash on someone who could help us in a different way
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2022 11:27:20 GMT
I think the situation was complicated by MON's belief that he could only play on the right of the three (where he's playing at Genoa). He was pretty open about it from the word go. You can certainly question why we signed him if that was the case, with Wilmot already in the building for a few weeks. Doesn't sound like there was a chance we'd consider him centrally or the left. So if it was a choice of developing our own £1.5m player (Wilmot) or playing Ostigard, we've got to go with Wilmot. Let's face it, it's not as if Ostigard was pulling up trees. He was very average. Chester has a history of playing on the left, despite being right-footed. So there was some logic as Wilmot didn't look at home there either. If Harwood-Bellis can do some kind of Souttar impression, and if money is as tight as is being suggested, I think we've made the right call in shipping him out and using the cash on someone who could help us in a different way I think most people understand where the issue lies with this one and you hit the nail on the head pretty early on. All joking aside about his performance in the San Siro last night, it's quite obvious that he was more than good enough for this level based on his early season showings here and that for Coventry last season, who were desperate to get him back there. Let's hope the manager has more faith in his next batch of loanees. |
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Post by nottsover60 on Jan 14, 2022 11:34:40 GMT
I think the situation was complicated by MON's belief that he could only play on the right of the three (where he's playing at Genoa). He was pretty open about it from the word go. You can certainly question why we signed him if that was the case, with Wilmot already in the building for a few weeks. Doesn't sound like there was a chance we'd consider him centrally or the left. So if it was a choice of developing our own £1.5m player (Wilmot) or playing Ostigard, we've got to go with Wilmot. Let's face it, it's not as if Ostigard was pulling up trees. He was very average. Chester has a history of playing on the left, despite being right-footed. So there was some logic as Wilmot didn't look at home there either. If Harwood-Bellis can do some kind of Souttar impression, and if money is as tight as is being suggested, I think we've made the right call in shipping him out and using the cash on someone who could help us in a different way I thought MON's comments when Ostigard left were a bit strange. Didn't he say something along the lines of having bought Wilmot, Ostigard was surplus to requirements when we brought him in? Did someone forget to tell the recruitment team to cross him off the list because his position was already filled? |
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 14, 2022 11:35:13 GMT
I think the situation was complicated by MON's belief that he could only play on the right of the three (where he's playing at Genoa). He was pretty open about it from the word go. You can certainly question why we signed him if that was the case, with Wilmot already in the building for a few weeks. Doesn't sound like there was a chance we'd consider him centrally or the left. So if it was a choice of developing our own £1.5m player (Wilmot) or playing Ostigard, we've got to go with Wilmot. Let's face it, it's not as if Ostigard was pulling up trees. He was very average. Chester has a history of playing on the left, despite being right-footed. So there was some logic as Wilmot didn't look at home there either. If Harwood-Bellis can do some kind of Souttar impression, and if money is as tight as is being suggested, I think we've made the right call in shipping him out and using the cash on someone who could help us in a different way I think most people understand where the issue lies with this one and you hit the nail on the head pretty early on. All joking aside about his performance in the San Siro last night, it's quite obvious that he was more than good enough for this level based on his early season showings here and that for Coventry last season, who were desperate to get him back there. Let's hope the manager has more faith in his next batch of loanees. It's certainly very perplexing why our 2 big defensive additions both played in the same position, which he clearly views as a specialist role! And equally perplexing why we've brought nobody in who can even approximate what Fletcher offers, or offer the option of playing up front on his own - and yet spent £5m on strikers in the last year. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2022 11:46:37 GMT
I think most people understand where the issue lies with this one and you hit the nail on the head pretty early on. All joking aside about his performance in the San Siro last night, it's quite obvious that he was more than good enough for this level based on his early season showings here and that for Coventry last season, who were desperate to get him back there. Let's hope the manager has more faith in his next batch of loanees. It's certainly very perplexing why our 2 big defensive additions both played in the same position, which he clearly views as a specialist role! And equally perplexing why we've brought nobody in who can even approximate what Fletcher offers, or offer the option of playing up front on his own - and yet spent £5m on strikers in the last year. One of the alarm bells with Ostigard for me, was an interview the manager gave early on in the season where he said they were happy with how he started, but were working on a few other parts of his game to get him closer to what they wanted. Not ideal that when you are dealing with a loan player. Agree on the Fletcher angle, although I fear they have brought Surridge in to do that job, and are now realising he is more of a project than they anticipated. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 14, 2022 11:52:09 GMT
It's certainly very perplexing why our 2 big defensive additions both played in the same position, which he clearly views as a specialist role! And equally perplexing why we've brought nobody in who can even approximate what Fletcher offers, or offer the option of playing up front on his own - and yet spent £5m on strikers in the last year. One of the alarm bells with Ostigard for me, was an interview the manager gave early on in the season where he said they were happy with how he started, but were working on a few other parts of his game to get him closer to what they wanted. Not ideal that when you are dealing with a loan player. Agree on the Fletcher angle, although I fear they have brought Surridge in to do that job, and are now realising he is more of a project than they anticipated. Yeah, I assumed that was the case with Surridge. And, from afar, that was the very broad view I had of him, although I'd barely watched him, probably just due to him being tall. But the more I read and heard about him, I realised he was very much not that type. I remember listening to the Bournemouth podcast bloke on Radio Stoke on the day he signed, and he was saying he's not the player you remotely expect given his height and he was basically a poacher who always wanted to be on the last man's shoulder. |
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Post by pottersrule on Jan 14, 2022 12:02:04 GMT
One of the alarm bells with Ostigard for me, was an interview the manager gave early on in the season where he said they were happy with how he started, but were working on a few other parts of his game to get him closer to what they wanted. Not ideal that when you are dealing with a loan player. Agree on the Fletcher angle, although I fear they have brought Surridge in to do that job, and are now realising he is more of a project than they anticipated. Yeah, I assumed that was the case with Surridge. And, from afar, that was the very broad view I had of him, although I'd barely watched him, probably just due to him being tall. But the more I read and heard about him, I realised he was very much not that type. I remember listening to the Bournemouth podcast bloke on Radio Stoke on the day he signed, and he was saying he's not the player you remotely expect given his height and he was basically a poacher who always wanted to be on the last man's shoulder. If Surridge is an off the shoulder type of forward then the need for an offensive midfielder becomes even more important.Powell is such a big miss. |
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Post by redwhite on Jan 14, 2022 12:26:21 GMT
Ba’ath is a decent defender in a back four but doesn’t fit anywhere in a back three. Unfortunately neither do any of the other that are available either. I think his defence capabilities are very overstated. He basically can clear it. He doesn’t read the game well, he’s slow and makes some really daft errors. Yep. I think the fact that he can’t do the “modern” stuff i.e. pass/dribble leads to this image of him as a solid, bruising, old school defender that is simply a victim of the way the game has progressed. In reality his defensive capabilities are nothing out of the ordinary. |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 14, 2022 12:55:14 GMT
I think most people understand where the issue lies with this one and you hit the nail on the head pretty early on. All joking aside about his performance in the San Siro last night, it's quite obvious that he was more than good enough for this level based on his early season showings here and that for Coventry last season, who were desperate to get him back there. Let's hope the manager has more faith in his next batch of loanees. It's certainly very perplexing why our 2 big defensive additions both played in the same position, which he clearly views as a specialist role! And equally perplexing why we've brought nobody in who can even approximate what Fletcher offers, or offer the option of playing up front on his own - and yet spent £5m on strikers in the last year. I don't understand it all. When Harry got injured, the obvious thing was to play Wilmott centrally, Leo on the right and Batth on the left...which is exactly what we did when we had to move Batth out of the middle away at Blackpool...albeit Souttar went central when Leo was brought on for Wilmot who had endured a torrid 1st half. A back 3 of Leo, Wilmott and Batth would have been OK as a temporary measure and would have seen less reliance of Batth actually having to play football. I liked Leo. Thought he was decent. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2022 13:00:54 GMT
Ex player scores a goal alert
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2022 13:04:07 GMT
It's certainly very perplexing why our 2 big defensive additions both played in the same position, which he clearly views as a specialist role! And equally perplexing why we've brought nobody in who can even approximate what Fletcher offers, or offer the option of playing up front on his own - and yet spent £5m on strikers in the last year. One of the alarm bells with Ostigard for me, was an interview the manager gave early on in the season where he said they were happy with how he started, but were working on a few other parts of his game to get him closer to what they wanted. Not ideal that when you are dealing with a loan player. Agree on the Fletcher angle, although I fear they have brought Surridge in to do that job, and are now realising he is more of a project than they anticipated. I would say that’s exactly what a developmental loan is though. We brought him in knowing that he wasn’t a finished product. It’s not different that Rovers taking Taylor from us. Surridge does look like a lot of work. I do think if he put some timber on over the summer though, it would do wonders for his all round game. A little more muscle around the core would make him much harder to knock off the ball. It worked well for Brown. |
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Post by Northy on Feb 20, 2022 15:54:10 GMT
Just been on the box Venice v Genoa, commentator mentioned him as being committed, Stoke got a mention for his earlier loan period
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2022 16:52:28 GMT
I assume Genoa wanted him and it was in Brighton's interest to have him play higher level football? I'd much prefer him to our other fit centre halves (Bar Wilmott)
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Post by PotterLog on Feb 20, 2022 17:00:00 GMT
Pretty sure I saw a little Instagram highlight of him near strangling someone and getting sent off the other day? May have been old though I guess
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