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Post by Gods on Oct 30, 2021 8:21:26 GMT
I've just checked him out on the patent ' Stoke City New Signing Hype Cycle' and he is three quarters of the way along the down curve in to the 'Trough of Disillusionment'. It's where you will find most of the summer signings. If there is to be a 'Plateau of Productivity' for him it will be long after the end of his short sojourn with the Potters.
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Post by citynickscfc on Oct 30, 2021 8:36:45 GMT
On the patent ' Stoke City New Signing Hype Cycle' he is three quarters of the way along the down curve in to the 'Trough of Disillusionment'. It's where you will find most of the summer signings. If there is to be a 'Plateau of Productivity' for him it will be long after the end of his short sojourn with the Potters. I still think he's a good player just relies on confidence. Needs a manager who builds players up, I'm not sure that's what O'niell does all that well, I don't think he's been as bad as wilmott at times. We wouldn't shit ourselves after one loss. Changing a keeper and center back I'd almost half the defence changed. I thought we were way better without Chester and with the young ones playing to be honest (bursik and osti)
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Post by TinkerT on Oct 30, 2021 9:00:26 GMT
For his age still think he could come good. Much rather us sign him perm and get rid of Chester at end of season.
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Post by nottsover60 on Oct 30, 2021 9:39:58 GMT
On the patent ' Stoke City New Signing Hype Cycle' he is three quarters of the way along the down curve in to the 'Trough of Disillusionment'. It's where you will find most of the summer signings. If there is to be a 'Plateau of Productivity' for him it will be long after the end of his short sojourn with the Potters. I still think he's a good player just relies on confidence. Needs a manager who builds players up, I'm not sure that's what O'niell does all that well, I don't think he's been as bad as wilmott at times. We wouldn't shit ourselves after one loss. Changing a keeper and center back I'd almost half the defence changed. I thought we were way better without Chester and with the young ones playing to be honest (bursik and osti) And yet Tyrese has said having a manager who trusted and believed in him made him change his mind about leaving the club and Collins, Souttar, even Brown have come on leaps and bounds under MON so I think that's a bit of an unfair judgement. Wilmot is I think younger than Ostigard but hasn't had a problem with confidence and probably had had a more trying period at Watford than Ostigard had had. After such a good season at Coventry there must be a reason why Brighton wanted him out on loan again and that could well be that he wasn't ready yet ready to challenge for their first team.
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Post by nonameface on Oct 30, 2021 10:03:41 GMT
On the patent ' Stoke City New Signing Hype Cycle' he is three quarters of the way along the down curve in to the 'Trough of Disillusionment'. It's where you will find most of the summer signings. If there is to be a 'Plateau of Productivity' for him it will be long after the end of his short sojourn with the Potters. I still think he's a good player just relies on confidence. Needs a manager who builds players up, I'm not sure that's what O'niell does all that well, I don't think he's been as bad as wilmott at times. We wouldn't shit ourselves after one loss. Changing a keeper and center back I'd almost half the defence changed. I thought we were way better without Chester and with the young ones playing to be honest (bursik and osti) Literally the best man manager we've had for this club for years. Really helps players to develop.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2021 10:05:41 GMT
You keep saying this Bayern, but realistically there is a big difference between need and actuality. The majority of loans from Premier League clubs to Championship teams are not “difference makers”. How many loans are currently playing in the Championship? What percentage of those will be ranked in the team of the year at the end of the season? Most are works in progress when it comes to youngsters who, if they were good enough to rip up the Championship at a young age, would likely be loaned to a lower league Premier side instead, or they are older players in need of a fresh start. We needed another centre back for a back three who wasn’t old and injured (Chester) or slow (Batth) and so we brought one in whose not much better or worse than any other centre back in the division and we likely brought him in at relatively minimal cost. I think Forrester is better as is. And I do keep saying it because it’s true. Seems logical. Only a year and a bit difference between the two. One is starting his second Championship season and the other is so highly rated within the game that he managed to get a loan to a team likely to be relegated from the football league this season. I think Forrester will be a good player soon, but he picked up an injury at the wrong time for his career and doesn’t appear to have the same reputation in football as Ostigard. More, he’s played what, one league game? So you are largely basing his ability on the U23s games, though you refused to base any good opinions on Surridge’s goals versus league 1 teams earlier in the season.
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Post by robwahlmann on Oct 30, 2021 10:16:52 GMT
I really like Batth, but I can accept that Østigård is picked ahead of him because of mobility and quality on the ball, I'm not too impressed by Leo on the ball either though, but playing Chester instead of Batth is something I really dislike. Batth is probably our strongest player in the air, and one of the best to protect the box too. Chester on the other hand is weak as piss in the air, and makes a lot of mistakes on the ball as well. In addition he is also awfully slow! I know Batth isn't the fastest, but he seems to be able to get a tackle in ever so often despite of his lack of pace. I wish I could say the same about Chester, but I actually can't see that Chester has any strengths any longer! I really rate MON, but picking Chester time after time really baffles me! Could it be that we simply have too many confidence players? Leo seems to thrive like bojan, from affection. He probably reads this board too...(it's a media generation thing). When we are doing well the teams confidence is high and we do really well, then inevitably form dips, along with confidence. That's when you need ability players with motivation. Ours seen fragile. I hate to say it but look at Joe 🤷♂️ In a modern world you need to handle everything written or said in the media, if not you'll probably fall through very quickly.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 30, 2021 11:19:12 GMT
I think Forrester is better as is. And I do keep saying it because it’s true. Seems logical. Only a year and a bit difference between the two. One is starting his second Championship season and the other is so highly rated within the game that he managed to get a loan to a team likely to be relegated from the football league this season. I think Forrester will be a good player soon, but he picked up an injury at the wrong time for his career and doesn’t appear to have the same reputation in football as Ostigard. More, he’s played what, one league game? So you are largely basing his ability on the U23s games, though you refused to base any good opinions on Surridge’s goals versus league 1 teams earlier in the season. I couldn’t care less about his reputation in the game given he isn’t our player. He started averagely and has gone downhill from there. Surridge is wank.
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Post by nottsover60 on Oct 30, 2021 12:09:52 GMT
From what I keep hearing Forrester could be better than Collins or Souttar never mind Ostigard. Hope it happens. At the moment he seems to be very low key. Even Taylor seems to be more in the spot light than him.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 30, 2021 12:11:08 GMT
From what I keep hearing Forrester could be better than Collins or Souttar never mind Ostigard. Hope it happens. At the moment he seems to be very low key. Even Taylor seems to be more in the spot light than him. Not sure about Collins but they have very high hopes for him.
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Post by citynickscfc on Oct 30, 2021 13:33:46 GMT
What's up with him today?
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Post by liathroid on Jan 3, 2022 17:05:35 GMT
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Post by stokemark on Jan 3, 2022 17:51:07 GMT
Joke
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Post by scfcwebby on Jan 3, 2022 17:52:42 GMT
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Post by houstonsteve on Jan 3, 2022 17:53:43 GMT
so Genoas first team is better than Stokes U23s. who knew......
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 13, 2022 20:35:52 GMT
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 13, 2022 20:45:07 GMT
Going from not getting on our bench to scoring at the San Siro.
Not bad
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 13, 2022 20:51:05 GMT
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 13, 2022 20:59:39 GMT
Nice header. Admittedly without seeing him play yet, I can't say I'm disappointed by the Ostigard-THB swap though, if it helps us play out from the back again.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2022 20:59:53 GMT
Couldn't get in ahead of Chester?
<Giggles>
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Post by wakeypotter on Jan 13, 2022 21:01:36 GMT
Going from not getting on our bench to scoring at the San Siro. Not bad Just shows you how messed up our club is by letting him go
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 13, 2022 21:15:10 GMT
Nice header. Admittedly without seeing him play yet, I can't say I'm disappointed by the Ostigard-THB swap though, if it helps us play out from the back again. Yeah I think it’s an upgrade but he’s not the one that needed upgrading.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 13, 2022 21:15:20 GMT
Didn’t he score in his 3rd game for us as well🤔
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Post by lordb on Jan 13, 2022 21:50:51 GMT
Nice header. Admittedly without seeing him play yet, I can't say I'm disappointed by the Ostigard-THB swap though, if it helps us play out from the back again. Yeah I think it’s an upgrade but he’s not the one that needed upgrading. Ostigaard passing let him down I thought
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Post by wilcopotter on Jan 13, 2022 22:13:29 GMT
Going from not getting on our bench to scoring at the San Siro. Not bad Just shows you how messed up our club is by letting him go and signing Duhaney.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 13, 2022 22:17:03 GMT
Yeah I think it’s an upgrade but he’s not the one that needed upgrading. Ostigaard passing let him down I thought It wasn’t as good as it should have been nor was I expecting but Batth needs replacing not Ostigard.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 13, 2022 22:27:14 GMT
They conceded two and lost just for info......
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Post by lordb on Jan 13, 2022 22:34:45 GMT
Ostigaard passing let him down I thought It wasn’t as good as it should have been nor was I expecting but Batth needs replacing not Ostigard. Batth is under contract, Ostigaard wasn't If he needed a wage out the door to get THB in then that was his only option short of selling a player.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 13, 2022 22:44:54 GMT
It wasn’t as good as it should have been nor was I expecting but Batth needs replacing not Ostigard. Batth is under contract, Ostigaard wasn't If he needed a wage out the door to get THB in then that was his only option short of selling a player. Surely there’s plenty of suitors for Batth with how good a defender I keep getting told he is?
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Post by kustokie on Jan 14, 2022 2:42:00 GMT
Batth is under contract, Ostigaard wasn't If he needed a wage out the door to get THB in then that was his only option short of selling a player. Surely there’s plenty of suitors for Batth with how good a defender I keep getting told he is? Ba’ath is a decent defender in a back four but doesn’t fit anywhere in a back three. Unfortunately neither do any of the other that are available either.
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