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Post by prestwichpotter on May 22, 2023 11:09:24 GMT
i am sick and tired hearing about racism whether it's football or on the news papers etc and it's all one way no mention of it being the other way never i was called a white honky by a black lady because i caught her ankle which i duly apologise for made no difference Have you got grandkids? Stay away from them please if you have.......
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Post by RedandWhite90 on May 22, 2023 11:13:56 GMT
i am sick and tired hearing about racism whether it's football or on the news papers etc and it's all one way no mention of it being the other way never i was called a white honky by a black lady because i caught her ankle which i duly apologise for made no difference That's OK, we're all sick of your ignorant view on the matter now as well.
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Post by cheadlepotter on May 22, 2023 11:18:11 GMT
i am sick and tired hearing about racism whether it's football or on the news papers etc and it's all one way no mention of it being the other way never i was called a white honky by a black lady because i caught her ankle which i duly apologise for made no difference Whilst I do think there’s benefit to be had of including black racist behaviour in any anti-racism campaign because it does happen, we do live in a white majority society so bound to hear plenty more instances of whites being racist. Thankfully instances like the one in Spain don’t happen over here.
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Post by RF10 on May 22, 2023 11:28:50 GMT
It should be 10 games behind closed doors. It's the only punishment that would hurt the fans. And it should be about hurting that entire fanbase, it was the whole stadium. At least this. Wrong is wrong but when you see the punishment given out to Ivan Toney.
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Post by flea79 on May 22, 2023 11:50:44 GMT
Start next season with a 5 point deduction. Plus two first home games behind closed doors My other concern is the manner of the VAR check, they show only about half a second of footage to the ref because if they go back even another second the player who Vinicius catches is strangling him and throwing him around for a good 10 seconds. But the VAR deliberately ignore this? In Spain I honestly think it’s institutional racism from top to bottom. Racism from the Valencia fans just makes no sense, they have black players too… but then ignorant fuckers like those wouldnt make much sense. Stoke have black players too, doesnt stop some of our own village idiots giving out terrible racial abuse
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Post by kerouac on May 22, 2023 11:54:56 GMT
Rascist chanting has been tolerated in Spain for years and absolutely nothing is done about it.. absolutely disgraceful from a modern democracy. Their attitude towards animal cruelty says alot about their national philosophy.. My wife and I rehomed a Galgo hunting dog rescued from Spain and the treatment of these animals is completely horrendous and it's not in any way illegal. Spain still supports archaic and medieval attitudes amongst it's people and the authorities are happy to allow it. It's no surprise their are a significant amount of ignorant arseholes attending football matches, it's a society problem. Well said and I wholeheartedly agree. I remember a few years back,I can’t remember the teams involved but it was definitely in Spain,and some black player was getting it both barrels from a section of the crowd.When I looked closer there was a worrying cross section hurling the abuse…kids,smart looking lasses and respectable looking blokes showing such anger it chilled my blood.So depressing in this day and age.
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Post by hoppo96 on May 22, 2023 13:31:32 GMT
The problem with these people in Spain is they think it's only racism if you go a match with the intention of racially abusing Vinicius Jr. If he does something they don't like, and they respond by racially abusing him then it's not really the same in their eyes.
As for the Stoke fans racially abusing opposition black players... they think our own black players have 'earned' the right not to be racially abused (unless they make a mistake).
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Post by jokker on May 22, 2023 13:41:17 GMT
It should be 10 games behind closed doors. It's the only punishment that would hurt the fans. And it should be about hurting that entire fanbase, it was the whole stadium. Disagree. Take them out of the season, next campaign. Put them back in the year after. Make an example of them and do the same for other clubs that think it’s okay. That would make La Liga a very small one next season. There might only be one club left, maybe two...
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Post by shakermaker on May 22, 2023 13:52:37 GMT
Rascist chanting has been tolerated in Spain for years and absolutely nothing is done about it.. absolutely disgraceful from a modern democracy. Their attitude towards animal cruelty says alot about their national philosophy.. My wife and I rehomed a Galgo hunting dog rescued from Spain and the treatment of these animals is completely horrendous and it's not in any way illegal. Spain still supports archaic and medieval attitudes amongst it's people and the authorities are happy to allow it. It's no surprise their are a significant amount of ignorant arseholes attending football matches, it's a society problem. The authorities are gutless. They card abused players if they so much as dare respond with a mildly provocative gesture yet stand back and watch bananas being thrown from the stands. I honestly think stewards and police are shit scared of the fans. They wouldn't dare call off a game and award three points to the abused player's team for fear of a mass pitch invasion. Neither would they confront any fans shouting racist abuse during a game for fear of being bottled and a mass brawl breaking out. The FA think kneeling before every game is them doing their bit and sweeping the uncomfortable stuff under the carpet. It's fucking disgusting, and it's high time the authorities were properly called up on it. Good on Vini Jr for saying what he did. Once La Liga start worrying about damage to their brand, it may make them sit up a bit.
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Post by skip on May 22, 2023 13:55:24 GMT
i am sick and tired hearing about racism whether it's football or on the news papers etc and it's all one way no mention of it being the other way never i was called a white honky by a black lady because i caught her ankle which i duly apologise for made no difference Fuck me, "honky"? when did this happen? 1975?
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Post by outspaced on May 22, 2023 14:04:00 GMT
Looking at social media after events like this shows you what a huge task dealing with racism is. It isn't taken seriously enough by the authorities. Remember the monkey chants at a Spain v England match in 2004 that the Spain manager Luis Aragones dismissed as irrelevant. You've got to hit them hard and the people at the top need to do that.
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Post by Bod on May 22, 2023 14:11:52 GMT
i am sick and tired hearing about racism whether it's football or on the news papers etc and it's all one way no mention of it being the other way never i was called a white honky by a black lady because i caught her ankle which i duly apologise for made no difference Fiuck me, "honky"? when did this happen? 1975? I was working on the assumption that he’d fallen asleep watching ‘Love Thy Neighbour’ and had some type of fever dream.
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Post by PotterLog on May 22, 2023 14:20:05 GMT
Fiuck me, "honky"? when did this happen? 1975? I was working on the assumption that he’d fallen asleep watching ‘Love Thy Neighbour’ and had some type of fever dream. I really want to know what the circumstances were behind "I caught her ankle" as well
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Post by cheadlepotter on May 22, 2023 14:37:56 GMT
I was working on the assumption that he’d fallen asleep watching ‘Love Thy Neighbour’ and had some type of fever dream. I really want to know what the circumstances were behind "I caught her ankle" as well Would we be belittling the poster’s experience if he’d told the story of being called the n word, or an older term like jungle bunny, by a white man?
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Post by lordb on May 22, 2023 14:40:08 GMT
I really want to know what the circumstances were behind "I caught her ankle" as well Would we be belittling the poster’s experience if he’d told the story of being called the n word, or an older term like jungle bunny, by a white man? Think it's fair to belittle anything that is clearly made up
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Post by str8outtahampton on May 22, 2023 14:48:35 GMT
Fiuck me, "honky"? when did this happen? 1975? I was working on the assumption that he’d fallen asleep watching ‘Love Thy Neighbour’ and had some type of fever dream. Or had possibly tuned into Top of the Pops 1973, when Hot Chocolate featured, performing Brother Louie. (Great song btw. Alexis Korner voicing the white dad I think).
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Post by prestwichpotter on May 22, 2023 14:52:44 GMT
I really want to know what the circumstances were behind "I caught her ankle" as well Would we be belittling the poster’s experience if he’d told the story of being called the n word, or an older term like jungle bunny, by a white man? I'm not sure how posting about how you were once racially abused is the correct response to a thread on racism, whether made up or not?
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Post by cheadlepotter on May 22, 2023 15:06:23 GMT
Would we be belittling the poster’s experience if he’d told the story of being called the n word, or an older term like jungle bunny, by a white man? I'm not sure how posting about how you were once racially abused is the correct response to a thread on racism, whether made up or not? A post about racism in a thread about racism? The style in which he’s done it no, all forms of racism should be talked about, but he has (if we presume he’s telling the truth which you undoubtedly would if it was a black man being racially abused) been racially abused. Not as severely as Vinicius Jr has but still. Belittling his experience only adds to the problem.
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Post by PotterLog on May 22, 2023 15:11:16 GMT
I really want to know what the circumstances were behind "I caught her ankle" as well Would we be belittling the poster’s experience if he’d told the story of being called the n word, or an older term like jungle bunny, by a white man? If all circumstances were identical - and I mean absolutely identical, down to this being a black-majority messageboard in a black-dominated society in the context of a thread about a minority white player receiving widespread racist abuse in a stadium full of black spectators - then yes. Deep down, on some fundamental level you're making a reasonable point and I agree. However circumstances, connotations, implications, context are important when making a "what about" plea like that. Regardless, I condemn the comment the poster was subject to.
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Post by Pugsley on May 22, 2023 15:22:57 GMT
i am sick and tired hearing about racism whether it's football or on the news papers etc and it's all one way no mention of it being the other way never i was called a white honky by a black lady because i caught her ankle which i duly apologise for made no difference Oh dear
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Post by wazbagsbro on May 22, 2023 15:27:22 GMT
I really want to know what the circumstances were behind "I caught her ankle" as well Would we be belittling the poster’s experience if he’d told the story of being called the n word, or an older term like jungle bunny, by a white man? The fact that some people don’t understand that calling a black person the “N” word is not the same as calling someone a “Honkey” is so sad and shows a lack of intelligence or great ignorance. Black persecution goes back hundreds of years, included murder and torture, where “Honkey” is a 1970 sitcom slur.
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Post by prestwichpotter on May 22, 2023 15:29:22 GMT
I'm not sure how posting about how you were once racially abused is the correct response to a thread on racism, whether made up or not? A post about racism in a thread about racism? The style in which he’s done it no, all forms of racism should be talked about, but he has (if we presume he’s telling the truth which you undoubtedly would if it was a black man being racially abused) been racially abused. Not as severely as Vinicius Jr has but still. Belittling his experience only adds to the problem. He said he's sick and tired of hearing about racism so I'm not sure he share's your view..........
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Post by cheadlepotter on May 22, 2023 16:01:19 GMT
A post about racism in a thread about racism? The style in which he’s done it no, all forms of racism should be talked about, but he has (if we presume he’s telling the truth which you undoubtedly would if it was a black man being racially abused) been racially abused. Not as severely as Vinicius Jr has but still. Belittling his experience only adds to the problem. He said he's sick and tired of hearing about racism so I'm not sure he share's your view.......... That’s why I said I didn’t approve of the style in which he did it. As for racist terms, I wasn’t aware there was a ranking system for different words and I wasn’t here in the 70s, and had no idea where the term honky was from, though again if the poster who mentioned it was telling an honest story the term was used with racist intent.
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Post by prestwichpotter on May 22, 2023 16:04:02 GMT
He said he's sick and tired of hearing about racism so I'm not sure he share's your view.......... That’s why I said I didn’t approve of the style in which he did it.As for racist terms, I wasn’t aware there was a ranking system for different words and I wasn’t here in the 70s, and had no idea where the term honky was from, though again if the poster who mentioned it was telling an honest story the term was used with racist intent. And why my first thought was not that he wanted to have a rational debate about racism in society (although the thread is about racism in football), but simply counter the racism of someone who is black by mentioning that racism against a white person isn't cool. Which of course it absolutely isn't.........
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Post by skip on May 22, 2023 16:07:32 GMT
I thoroughly recommend these books for anyone on here that finds racism confusing.
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Post by PotterLog on May 22, 2023 16:11:52 GMT
I thoroughly recommend these books for anyone on here that finds racism confusing. Oh dear.
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Post by pavel on May 22, 2023 16:40:49 GMT
As shocking as it is, and it is truly shocking the abuse Vinicius was subjected to, it is only the tip of of the iceberg, most racist abuse goes unheard, under the radar and racists have mostly leant to play the game in public whilst in private and online behind anonymity it is rife. Anyone who doesn’t believe we still live in a racist society in some way or the other is deluding themselves. We have an enormous amount of work to do to change societies learnt and, let’s face it, inherited prejudices, it is corrosive and abhorrent but is so deep rooted it may never truly be stamped out.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on May 22, 2023 16:45:15 GMT
Does anybody really think racism will ever end? It’s just another form of bullying which will also go on forever. Harsher punishments for those “caught” is certainly required and may help to rid society of a small minority but the majority hide behind a keyboard, pretty much undetected and free to do as they please. I’m not sure what more can be done tbh
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Post by skip on May 22, 2023 16:51:37 GMT
I thoroughly recommend these books for anyone on here that finds racism confusing. Oh dear. <awaits thread being dumped into Everything Else>
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Post by flea79 on May 22, 2023 18:58:46 GMT
An American called me a limey I was mortally offended!
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