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Post by Northy on Sept 26, 2021 14:45:41 GMT
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Post by dexter97 on Sept 27, 2021 15:53:13 GMT
Yes, the 'free stadium' comment employed a little hyperbole. They were amongst those trailblazers in football who were using administration as a way to wipe the slate clean. Personally, I don't think the 10 or 12 points deducted is sufficient penalty, and even if that sanction had been around in 2002/03, I think they'd have still gone up anyway. I'd go for automatic relegation - double relegation if you finish in the bottom three. I'd agree although the 12 points usually results in relegation, I guess there would have to be some sort of scale for example the way Leicester were run to get into £30m debt fully deserves a penalty but say if something like the helicopter crash that killed their billionaire owner and his son / family had just decided to pull out leaving them in trouble that should probably get less of a penalty, none of this applies to Derby of course who have run up a £30 hmrc debt for paye, NI and vat presumably. Agreed. That's the problem with 'one size fits all' penalties like the deduction of a fixed number of points. It'd be interesting to find out how many times a points deduction didn't impact on which division a team played in the following season.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 27, 2021 19:45:33 GMT
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Post by chigstoke on Sept 27, 2021 19:47:33 GMT
Looks like he's staying on as Senior Advisor on a consultancy basis
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 29, 2021 10:58:32 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 29, 2021 19:46:16 GMT
They’re not exactly turning out in their droves
Attendance ATTENDANCE: 18,769 (477 Reading fans)
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Post by nottsover60 on Sept 30, 2021 6:52:43 GMT
They’re not exactly turning out in their droves Attendance ATTENDANCE: 18,769 (477 Reading fans) Better than I expected. You can only purchase a ticket on line and even season ticket holders have to validate their ticket for each match on line to get in. How many would Stoke get for a horrible midweek match against Reading which you can access by red button?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 30, 2021 7:54:56 GMT
They’re not exactly turning out in their droves Attendance ATTENDANCE: 18,769 (477 Reading fans) Better than I expected. You can only purchase a ticket on line and even season ticket holders have to validate their ticket for each match on line to get in. How many would Stoke get for a horrible midweek match against Reading which you can access by red button? With all due respect that’s absolute nonsense🤔They had a campaign to fill the ground last night and the same this Saturday so it wasn’t better than expected at all and that’s why I posted it.Also I know all about what they had to do as I have family member’s who have to do that. Also their ticket office was back open so no excuses there now. I would imagine the main reason a lot didn’t turn up was the closure of the A38 in both directions yesterday afternoon. And by the way I’m not saying it was a poor gate on a Wednesday night just like ours against Barnsley(on TV).
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Post by nottsover60 on Sept 30, 2021 8:08:59 GMT
Better than I expected. You can only purchase a ticket on line and even season ticket holders have to validate their ticket for each match on line to get in. How many would Stoke get for a horrible midweek match against Reading which you can access by red button? With all due respect that’s absolute nonsense🤔They had a campaign to fill the ground last night and the same this Saturday so it wasn’t better than expected at all and that’s why I posted it.Also I know all about what they had to do as I have family member’s who have to do that. Also their ticket office was back open so no excuses there now. I would imagine the main reason a lot didn’t turn up was the closure of the A38 in both directions yesterday afternoon. And by the way I’m not saying it was a poor gate on a Wednesday night just like ours against Barnsley(on TV). That's the first time then. My friend whose son is a season ticket holder has been worried that 4 old women who sit in front of him haven't been this season and their seats have been empty. He was concerned that they weren't coming because they didn't have mobiles or didn't know what to do. And with all due respect how many would Stoke get on a rainy midweek match to watch Reading. Derby fans on the whole are very loyal and passionate. I was amazed when we lived there how few glory seeking Man Utd or Chelsea fans there were.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 30, 2021 8:13:57 GMT
With all due respect that’s absolute nonsense🤔They had a campaign to fill the ground last night and the same this Saturday so it wasn’t better than expected at all and that’s why I posted it.Also I know all about what they had to do as I have family member’s who have to do that. Also their ticket office was back open so no excuses there now. I would imagine the main reason a lot didn’t turn up was the closure of the A38 in both directions yesterday afternoon. And by the way I’m not saying it was a poor gate on a Wednesday night just like ours against Barnsley(on TV). That's the first time then. My friend whose son is a season ticket holder has been worried that 4 old women who sit in front of him haven't been this season and their seats have been empty. He was concerned that they weren't coming because they didn't have mobiles or didn't know what to do. And with all due respect how many would Stoke get on a rainy midweek match to watch Reading. Derby fans on the whole are very loyal and passionate. I was amazed when we lived there how few glory seeking Man Utd or Chelsea fans there were. I’m not disputing how loyal and passionate they are about their club at all and trust me I know that all to well but they expected more last night. As for us I’d guess around the same attendance
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 30, 2021 8:15:08 GMT
With all due respect that’s absolute nonsense🤔They had a campaign to fill the ground last night and the same this Saturday so it wasn’t better than expected at all and that’s why I posted it.Also I know all about what they had to do as I have family member’s who have to do that. Also their ticket office was back open so no excuses there now. I would imagine the main reason a lot didn’t turn up was the closure of the A38 in both directions yesterday afternoon. And by the way I’m not saying it was a poor gate on a Wednesday night just like ours against Barnsley(on TV). That's the first time then. My friend whose son is a season ticket holder has been worried that 4 old women who sit in front of him haven't been this season and their seats have been empty. He was concerned that they weren't coming because they didn't have mobiles or didn't know what to do. And with all due respect how many would Stoke get on a rainy midweek match to watch Reading. Derby fans on the whole are very loyal and passionate. I was amazed when we lived there how few glory seeking Man Utd or Chelsea fans there were. Officially we’d get roughly the same based on season ticket sales, actual fans in the ground less so. Looking at the Derby highlights last night I would suggest plenty of season tickets holders didn’t bother either…..
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Post by hyaduck on Sept 30, 2021 13:30:16 GMT
Our ground looks had empty most of the time so we can’t criticise Derby on their support. The fact that you can watch it on Tv or the lack of funds to go to a game, there are plenty of clubs struggling but we’re not in a position to criticise as our ground looks half empty most of the time so we can’t criticise.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Sept 30, 2021 13:39:55 GMT
Our ground looks had empty most of the time so we can’t criticise Derby on their support. The fact that you can watch it on Tv or the lack of funds to go to a game, there are plenty of clubs struggling but we’re not in a position to criticise as our ground looks half empty most of the time so we can’t criticise. I'm getting a feeling you think we shouldn't criticise?
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Post by scfc75 on Sept 30, 2021 13:43:15 GMT
Our ground looks had empty most of the time so we can’t criticise Derby on their support. The fact that you can watch it on Tv or the lack of funds to go to a game, there are plenty of clubs struggling but we’re not in a position to criticise as our ground looks half empty most of the time so we can’t criticise. I'm getting a feeling you think we shouldn't criticise? More a case that he / she hates Stoke. Critical and negative about absolutely everything connected to the club.
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Post by thebet365 on Sept 30, 2021 13:44:52 GMT
Our ground looks had empty most of the time so we can’t criticise Derby on their support. The fact that you can watch it on Tv or the lack of funds to go to a game, there are plenty of clubs struggling but we’re not in a position to criticise as our ground looks half empty most of the time so we can’t criticise. I'm getting a feeling you think we shouldn't criticise? How've you managed to work that out from just 2 sentences
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Sept 30, 2021 13:46:47 GMT
I'm getting a feeling you think we shouldn't criticise? How've you managed to work that out from just 2 sentences It was nothing concrete, just a gut feeling really.
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Post by Billy the kid on Sept 30, 2021 14:20:39 GMT
How've you managed to work that out from just 2 sentences It was nothing concrete, just a gut feeling really. Thats the problem with some people, going with their gut feeling, have you seen any of his other posts? if it wasn't for him, we would be still using last seasons away kit, but he prompted the Club in to action to sort such a small detail out, salt of the earth or bitter you decide
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Post by thevoid on Sept 30, 2021 14:23:31 GMT
Our ground looks had empty most of the time so we can’t criticise Derby on their support. The fact that you can watch it on Tv or the lack of funds to go to a game, there are plenty of clubs struggling but we’re not in a position to criticise as our ground looks half empty most of the time so we can’t criticise. Not as empty as your head, you valve.
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Post by mickstupp on Sept 30, 2021 17:45:56 GMT
Our ground looks had empty most of the time so we can’t criticise Derby on their support. The fact that you can watch it on Tv or the lack of funds to go to a game, there are plenty of clubs struggling but we’re not in a position to criticise as our ground looks half empty most of the time so we can’t criticise. I’m fed up ‘cause all you wanna do is criticise. 🎵
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Post by neddy on Sept 30, 2021 17:48:39 GMT
Our ground looks had empty most of the time so we can’t criticise Derby on their support. The fact that you can watch it on Tv or the lack of funds to go to a game, there are plenty of clubs struggling but we’re not in a position to criticise as our ground looks half empty most of the time so we can’t criticise. I’m fed up ‘cause all you ever do is criticise. 🎵 Alexander O’Neil not MON lol 😂
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Post by liathroid on Oct 2, 2021 18:28:01 GMT
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Post by onefatcopper on Oct 2, 2021 19:01:14 GMT
The administrators will hope that Cocu agrees to accept partial payment of his owed salary, at this moment they will hope that any claimant will see sense and take what is being offered on the pound and if they don’t then it could force DCFC too the wall. The administrators have no power to play hardball with creditors or the EFL, quite the opposite in fact.
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Post by sportsman on Oct 2, 2021 20:00:34 GMT
So have I got this right? Derby can now pay people who are owed money, a fraction of what they are entitled to get, allow a buyer come in and buy the club for next to nothing, let them invest millions into the club if they want, while in the meantime negotiating a reduced points deduction for the pleasure
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Post by flea79 on Oct 2, 2021 20:20:13 GMT
So have I got this right? Derby can now pay people who are owed money, a fraction of what they are entitled to get, allow a buyer come in and buy the club for next to nothing, let them invest millions into the club if they want, while in the meantime negotiating a reduced points deduction for the pleasure But HMRC are classed as the main creditor and don’t seem to accept penny in the pound offers these days, pay them and fuck the rest or go to the wall is the options I believe
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 2, 2021 22:13:36 GMT
So have I got this right? Derby can now pay people who are owed money, a fraction of what they are entitled to get, allow a buyer come in and buy the club for next to nothing, let them invest millions into the club if they want, while in the meantime negotiating a reduced points deduction for the pleasure Why are they being treated differently to Wigan whose points deduction didn't apply until the season was over. Had wigan survived by more points than the deduction, the points deduction would have been carried into the following season wouldn't it?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2021 6:23:05 GMT
A couple of years ago in rugby union, Saracens (who were/are arguably the top club) broke strict salary cap rules and were consequently docked 35 points in accordance with the rules. However due to their continuing on field success they were soon within touching distance of Leicester, the then 11th placed club. The 35 points deduction was no longer considered to be sufficient so they were also docked a further 70 points to ensure they finished bottom of the league and were relegated. The league changed their rules to "provide clarity for clubs and supporters", and "to ensure Saracens will finish in 12th (bottom position) in the league". Just a pity the EFL aren't so rigorous.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Oct 3, 2021 7:55:14 GMT
The administrators will hope that Cocu agrees to accept partial payment of his owed salary, at this moment they will hope that any claimant will see sense and take what is being offered on the pound and if they don’t then it could force DCFC too the wall. The administrators have no power to play hardball with creditors or the EFL, quite the opposite in fact. Wasn’t it Campbell who hammered the final nail in Macclesfield coffin by insisting on the payment of 180k they owed him ?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 6, 2021 8:34:25 GMT
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Post by brumstokie on Oct 6, 2021 8:54:15 GMT
I can’t see any circumstances where HMRC are not going to require 100% of what they are owed.
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Post by thebet365 on Oct 6, 2021 9:38:22 GMT
I can’t see any circumstances where HMRC are not going to require 100% of what they are owed. As the club don't own the ground anymore they'll get a lot less if they force them out of business. There's hardly anything to liquidate.
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