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Post by chigstoke on Jun 23, 2021 22:52:43 GMT
Could well see Wycombe back in the Championship if they are found in breach after accounts are re submitted. An interchangeable fixture list has been developed for both teams.
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Post by flea79 on Jun 23, 2021 22:58:30 GMT
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Post by LH_SCFC on Jun 24, 2021 5:51:12 GMT
So in summary…
- Derby fined £100k and resubmit their accounts - if the resubmitted accounts breach FFP, they are relegated and Wycombe reinstated - Caveat: Derby can appeal so likely to rumble on beyond the start of the season
If we get Wycombe or Derby away first game, we need to travel to the midway point and set off as soon as we know the verdict. It’s the trophy on the last day of the season between the potential title winning stadia, but replace the trophy with an away crowd.
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Post by followyoudown on Jun 24, 2021 6:48:02 GMT
Without claiming mystic meg capabilities I think its safe to assume Derby wont refile accounts before the season starts.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jun 24, 2021 6:52:39 GMT
Put them out of their misery and relegate them ffs.
If Derby don’t file their accounts (which of course they won’t) then if they are eventually found guilty of more misdemeanours then they should have their points deduction doubled......
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Post by franklin on Jun 24, 2021 6:55:51 GMT
We all knew the EFL fudged this and Derby should have been relegated. Wycombe have been shafted.
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Post by scfc75 on Jun 24, 2021 6:56:34 GMT
And people say we are the ‘how not to run a football club’ poster boys..
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Post by raythesailor on Jun 24, 2021 7:00:41 GMT
I suspect loads of litigation and court cases which could go on and on for some considerable time, meaning that Derby will be in the Championship next season but could eventually end up with a points deduction at some time in the future, which may not hurt them to much.
It also emphasises the position that we SCFC are trying our best to avoid.⚓️
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Post by theonlooker on Jun 24, 2021 7:05:11 GMT
So what are Wycombe planning for?
A season in League One or Championship? So unfair on them if they are suddenly reinstated, after spending most of the off season looking at a league one budget.
The EFL are donkeys.
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Post by mowlee on Jun 24, 2021 7:33:36 GMT
So what are Wycombe planning for? A season in League One or Championship? So unfair on them if they are suddenly reinstated, after spending most of the off season looking at a league one budget. The EFL are donkeys. cunt of a process ain’t it.. football isn’t a profitable business anymore not even for the bigger teams so ffp is aload of shit ran by idiots making up their own rules… uefa relaxing restrictions for next season so will be interesting what the efl do
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Post by mowlee on Jun 24, 2021 7:54:09 GMT
An if restrictions do get relaxed.. if I was derby owner.. I would sue the efl for the money i’d lost through the relegation.. thats if they get relegated.. if the ffp is relaxed it will open up a can of worms.. they shouldn’t of started it up in the first place.. football clubs ain’t run sustainable through gate receipts an shirt sales an transfer sales anymore.. it isn’t a profitable business for 90% of owners.. obviously there’s a odd few like Brentford but not many
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Post by flea79 on Jun 24, 2021 7:59:19 GMT
EFL statement has been ammended at some point to say they wont release the alternative fixtures only the ones based on last seasons standings but they have an interchangeable list too
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Post by somersetstokie on Jun 24, 2021 9:27:18 GMT
There is the position that no one should benefit from incorrect or misleading practices, whether in themselves or due to the activities of others. Cruel perhaps for Wycombe, who are down, like it or not. But no reason why Derby shouldn't be penalised and relegated to Lge 1, to add to the numbers in that division. In fact there is probably every reason do that. Each team in that League would play an extra 2 games in the season on an expanded fixture list. Derby just seem to be laughing at everyone and an example needs to be made. And if someone could find a reason to penalise Forest as well, that would be good.
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Post by followyoudown on Jun 24, 2021 9:47:01 GMT
There is the position that no one should benefit from incorrect or misleading practices, whether in themselves or due to the activities of others. Cruel perhaps for Wycombe, who are down, like it or not. But no reason why Derby shouldn't be penalised and relegated to Lge 1, to add to the numbers in that division. In fact there is probably every reason do that. Each team in that League would play an extra 2 games in the season on an expanded fixture list. Derby just seem to be laughing at everyone and an example needs to be made. And if someone could find a reason to penalise Forest as well, that would be good. Derby are getting relegated before the start of the season or at the end of the season, they are getting a points deduction for the accounting, the whole point of that shenanigans was to avoid breaching FFP so that will be another penalty. I wouldn't however be too gleeful about this until we hear 100% for certain we are not getting a penalty.
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Post by telfordstokie on Jun 24, 2021 9:49:09 GMT
Derby statement says they don’t have to submit revised accounts until August 18 - which is after the season has started: www.dcfc.co.uk/news/2021/06/derby-county-club-statement-24th-june-2021Then going to take time to decide on a potential punishment and go through an appeal so absolutely zero chance Wycombe are going to replace them this season. Bizarre statement by the EFL to put out suggesting it was even possible.
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Post by flea79 on Jun 24, 2021 9:52:32 GMT
Derby statement says they don’t have to submit revised accounts until August 18 - which is after the season has started: www.dcfc.co.uk/news/2021/06/derby-county-club-statement-24th-june-2021Then going to take time to decide on a potential punishment and go through an appeal so absolutely zero chance Wycombe are going to replace them this season. Bizarre statement by the EFL to put out suggesting it was even possible. makes no sense at all but it is funny seeing the derby fans implode
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Post by northernstokie on Jun 24, 2021 10:05:07 GMT
If Derby do get a points deduction then the points taken off should be added to Wycombe points total as they should never have been relegated. That will give them a better chance if coming back up.
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Post by lordb on Jun 24, 2021 10:36:16 GMT
If Derby do get a points deduction then the points taken off should be added to Wycombe points total as they should never have been relegated. That will give them a better chance if coming back up. that wouldn't be fair on the rest of League 1 though it's obvious Derby should be relegated & Wycombe restored to the Championship however it's not going to happen re the time constraints EFL only remaining option is to impose tough sanctions on Derby short of enforced relegation e.g. -30 points for 2021/22 season, transfer embargo, e.t.c. Wycombe have been shafted
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Post by chiswickpotter on Jun 24, 2021 10:42:42 GMT
An if restrictions do get relaxed.. if I was derby owner.. I would sue the elf for the money i’d lost through the relegation.. thats if they get relegated.. if the ffp is relaxed it will open up a can of worms.. they shouldn’t of started it up in the first place.. football clubs ain’t run sustainable through gate receipts an shirt sales an transfer sales anymore.. it isn’t a profitable business for 90% of owners.. obviously there’s a odd few like Brentford but not many Because it isn’t sustainable that’s why you need FFP. Without FFP more clubs would overspend and go bust. What would you suggest in place of FFP?
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jun 24, 2021 10:44:27 GMT
If it had been the other way round,I bet they would promote Derby and relegate Wycombe.
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Post by iglugluk on Jun 24, 2021 11:01:45 GMT
An if restrictions do get relaxed.. if I was derby owner.. I would sue the elf for the money i’d lost through the relegation.. thats if they get relegated.. if the ffp is relaxed it will open up a can of worms.. they shouldn’t of started it up in the first place.. football clubs ain’t run sustainable through gate receipts an shirt sales an transfer sales anymore.. it isn’t a profitable business for 90% of owners.. obviously there’s a odd few like Brentford but not many Because it isn’t sustainable that’s why you need FFP. Without FFP more clubs would overspend and go bust. What would you suggest in place of FFP? A set of rules that allowed very rich owners to spend their money on their club as they wish, as long as they dont make it a loan and thus put the club in debt would be good.
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Post by bgreen13 on Jun 24, 2021 11:05:57 GMT
It's such a bloody shame.
🤣🤣🤣
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 24, 2021 11:07:18 GMT
The EFL are shambolic beyond belief. This shouldn't be an unresolved at this stage.
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Post by mowlee on Jun 24, 2021 11:40:00 GMT
An if restrictions do get relaxed.. if I was derby owner.. I would sue the elf for the money i’d lost through the relegation.. thats if they get relegated.. if the ffp is relaxed it will open up a can of worms.. they shouldn’t of started it up in the first place.. football clubs ain’t run sustainable through gate receipts an shirt sales an transfer sales anymore.. it isn’t a profitable business for 90% of owners.. obviously there’s a odd few like Brentford but not many Because it isn’t sustainable that’s why you need FFP. Without FFP more clubs would overspend and go bust. What would you suggest in place of FFP? if a owner wants too spend at a loss that’s upto them.. but a wage cap would be better.. like up 25k for a championship player.. would be abit more of a level playing field an would stop idiots like us still paying 40/50 grand a week
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Post by onepara on Jun 24, 2021 11:41:34 GMT
The EFL are shambolic beyond belief. This shouldn't be an unresolved at this stage. The EFL can only respond as fast as the Derby legal boys allow them to. Derby will drag their feet. There should have been an early deadline, to force them to respond.
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Post by bolders on Jun 24, 2021 12:59:37 GMT
Just keep adding points deduction until they comply
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Post by spitthedog on Jun 24, 2021 13:18:05 GMT
So how come Sheffield Wednesday got points deducted and Derby didn't?
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Post by flea79 on Jun 24, 2021 16:05:13 GMT
So how come Sheffield Wednesday got points deducted and Derby didn't? because they failed ffp and didnt try to hide it so the punishment was already set out, Derby have failed it but have tried to hide it inside player amortisation, when they resubmit the accounts they will no doubt fail ffp and be given a huge points deduction which will relegate them this season or maybe even worse..... it will be interesting as this is going to set new precedents for the administration of the game and the efl will make an example of Derby for the creative way they have cooked the books
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Post by dirtclod on Jun 24, 2021 17:25:47 GMT
Was going to rail against FFP but damn - Derby coughed up even MORE stupidity than previously thought possible, digging their own hole. The points deduction should have already been decided.
Since it hasn't, Derby should owe a large settlement to Wycombe, who have done nothing wrong and are right now struggling to plan without knowing what league they'll be in. Wycombe is just a pawn at the mercy of Derby's transgressions - they've done nothing to deserve this.
And screw paying anything to the league - they'll just embezzle it.
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Post by leicspotter on Jun 24, 2021 17:45:36 GMT
What an absolute farce of a situation. Whoever is running the EFL should resign.
Competitions have rules, rules should be followed, potential sanctions should be known in advance and clubs entering the competition sign up to abide by the rules and accept the sanctions if they don't...simple.
If you don't like the rules, don't enter the competition
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