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Post by wagsastokie on Oct 6, 2021 9:49:21 GMT
I can’t see any circumstances where HMRC are not going to require 100% of what they are owed. As the club don't own the ground anymore they'll get a lot less if they force them out of business. There's hardly anything to liquidate. Liquidate Put in place a prohibition order the ground can only be used for sport use And give every assistance to a Phoenix club to start at the highest non league level possible
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Post by lordb on Oct 6, 2021 9:56:57 GMT
As the club don't own the ground anymore they'll get a lot less if they force them out of business. There's hardly anything to liquidate. Liquidate Put in place a prohibition order the ground can only be used for sport use And give every assistance to a Phoenix club to start at the highest non league level possible essentially Phoenix club's can apply to any league & hope they get accepted, they don't necessarily start at bottom step of the pyramid If Derby we're liquidated suspect they would get in no lower than National League North (or South)
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Post by thebet365 on Oct 6, 2021 9:57:08 GMT
As the club don't own the ground anymore they'll get a lot less if they force them out of business. There's hardly anything to liquidate. Liquidate Put in place a prohibition order the ground can only be used for sport use And give every assistance to a Phoenix club to start at the highest non league level possible The article is about the taxman, and the taxman still loses almost every penny it's owed doing that. As the saying goes, a small % of something is better than 100% of nothing. As long as any deal involves the ground coming back into club ownership (As Mel has mentioned) and held against the agreed settlement then surely that's better than everyone losing?
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Post by hyaduck on Oct 6, 2021 11:12:16 GMT
Liquidate Put in place a prohibition order the ground can only be used for sport use And give every assistance to a Phoenix club to start at the highest non league level possible essentially Phoenix club's can apply to any league & hope they get accepted, they don't necessarily start at bottom step of the pyramid If Derby we're liquidated suspect they would get in no lower than National League North (or South) Get Brian Potter and Ray Von up front
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 6, 2021 11:24:29 GMT
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Post by FullerMagic on Oct 9, 2021 20:06:29 GMT
lol
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 9, 2021 20:07:42 GMT
It’s exactly the sort of business he buys.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Oct 9, 2021 20:45:11 GMT
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Post by neddy on Oct 9, 2021 20:46:23 GMT
If this is true the thread title remains doesn’t it?
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Post by callas12 on Oct 9, 2021 23:56:47 GMT
The sad thing about the Ashley link is that some of the Derby fans would see his arrival as the messiah & saviour of Derby County! They would be that desperate to believe that their club would be better served by Ashley than Morris die to having wealth and a new found cash boost after selling NUFC. The more open eyed fans amongst them would see this potential venture for what it really is. A good mate of mine who is a Derby fan definitely doesn't like the possibility of Mike Ashley becoming their new owner!
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Post by nott1 on Oct 10, 2021 7:44:29 GMT
Beggars can't be choosers, they need his money!
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 10, 2021 8:55:11 GMT
Jez Moxey🤔
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Post by scfc75 on Oct 10, 2021 9:00:46 GMT
It’s exactly the sort of business he buys. It’s a very different type of business. He generally buys retail businesses who have a high street presence but are in distress. A football club is very different, he can’t rebrand it, shift it online, or suddenly expand its customer base by x3 by doing some smart marketing.
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Post by followyoudown on Oct 10, 2021 9:42:01 GMT
You'd need a heart of stone not to laugh, on a more serious note there does not seem to be any consortium's with a derby fan involved it's all just seems to be speculators looking for a quick buck by investing and reselling, in another 3 or 4 years they could be back in the same place.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 10, 2021 9:47:46 GMT
It’s exactly the sort of business he buys. It’s a very different type of business. He generally buys retail businesses who have a high street presence but are in distress. A football club is very different, he can’t rebrand it, shift it online, or suddenly expand its customer base by x3 by doing some smart marketing. He can buy it low, make the minimum investment, go up and sell for profit/skim PL money.
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Post by followyoudown on Oct 10, 2021 10:22:58 GMT
It’s a very different type of business. He generally buys retail businesses who have a high street presence but are in distress. A football club is very different, he can’t rebrand it, shift it online, or suddenly expand its customer base by x3 by doing some smart marketing. He can buy it low, make the minimum investment, go up and sell for profit/skim PL money. In theory he could the price / debts seems to vary between £25m-£100m+, at £25m it might be worth a gamble but there needs to be some spending on the squad, all the talented kids have been stripped from the academy, wages will definitely come down in the championship for all but the very best so plenty of good free transfers will be available however if they are relegated isn't there a total salary cap coming or already in place which would really hamper them.
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Post by rockthecity on Oct 10, 2021 19:52:00 GMT
What’s happened to the extra 9 point deduction???
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Post by scfc75 on Oct 10, 2021 20:01:20 GMT
It’s a very different type of business. He generally buys retail businesses who have a high street presence but are in distress. A football club is very different, he can’t rebrand it, shift it online, or suddenly expand its customer base by x3 by doing some smart marketing. He can buy it low, make the minimum investment, go up and sell for profit/skim PL money. Make the ‘minimum investment’ and go up? You make it sound very simple 😄
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Post by upthefud on Oct 11, 2021 0:15:22 GMT
What’s happened to the extra 9 point deduction??? It'll happen, talks still ongoing
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Post by flea79 on Oct 11, 2021 8:07:20 GMT
What’s happened to the extra 9 point deduction??? It'll happen, talks still ongoing "talks" EFL on one side of the table pointing out that there are further punishments and points deductions to come for the bad running of the club Derby on the other side fingers in ears singing lalalalala to block it out. meanwhile at the door the chairman of wycombe is holding a writ!
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Post by gaznandi on Oct 11, 2021 11:44:52 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 11, 2021 13:48:44 GMT
WTF?
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Post by spitthedog on Oct 11, 2021 14:03:57 GMT
I'll be amazed if its not reduced, or even scrapped. I hope I'm wrong though. Are they appealing against the meaning of the word 'automatic'? Re-writing the OED perhaps?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 11, 2021 14:07:04 GMT
I'll be amazed if its not reduced, or even scrapped. I hope I'm wrong though. Are they appealing against the meaning of the word 'automatic'? Re-writing the OED perhaps? Really?What makes you say that🤔I’ll be amazed and I’d imagine most other clubs will be if it’s not -21 points in total with the extra 9
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Post by flea79 on Oct 11, 2021 14:10:49 GMT
I'll be amazed if its not reduced, or even scrapped. I hope I'm wrong though. Are they appealing against the meaning of the word 'automatic'? Re-writing the OED perhaps? it wont go through, Wigan had the same argument season before last and failed and were relegated, precedent set, if Derby succeed Wigan will be looking to sue as well, let Derby die like the old stinking dog they are, just casuing aggro everywhere they go now!
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Post by spitthedog on Oct 11, 2021 14:22:53 GMT
I'll be amazed if its not reduced, or even scrapped. I hope I'm wrong though. Are they appealing against the meaning of the word 'automatic'? Re-writing the OED perhaps? Really?What makes you say that🤔I’ll be amazed and I’d imagine most other clubs will be if it’s not -21 points in total with the extra 9 Wont lodging this appeal cost them money they haven't got? I don't know if true but I read somewhere it will cost £300,000, or is that just fantasy? They must think they have a good case, or found a loophole, if that is so. It just wouldn't surprise if the EFL have left open a loophole. My scepticism is more to do with their incompetence than the strength of Derby's case.
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Post by Gob Bluth on Oct 12, 2021 19:27:34 GMT
Really?What makes you say that🤔I’ll be amazed and I’d imagine most other clubs will be if it’s not -21 points in total with the extra 9 Wont lodging this appeal cost them money they haven't got? I don't know if true but I read somewhere it will cost £300,000, or is that just fantasy? They must think they have a good case, or found a loophole, if that is so. It just wouldn't surprise if the EFL have left open a loophole. My scepticism is more to do with their incompetence than the strength of Derby's case. A complete guess but is it a calculation where they think the business will be worth more if it has fewer minus points. I’m then assuming some lawyer fond of taking advantage has said they have a case. All guess work but might explain it.
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Post by liathroid on Oct 12, 2021 22:15:18 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 12, 2021 22:35:00 GMT
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Post by dirtclod on Oct 13, 2021 0:54:16 GMT
Oh My! How Sad!
Moving On!
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