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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 4, 2023 16:56:11 GMT
Their fans have certainly got the bug again after all the turmoil of over a year ago😳good support that in league One Excellent support that is. I get alot of our fans have lost interest with our drab run of seasons but alot are also very fickle. Need to take the rough with the smooth when supporting your club, those lost numbers we've sustained since our relegation would soon start coming back if we did manage to put together some kind of promotion charge. I'm not happy with what we've been served up the last few seasons but will so go, it's the hope that keeps you going. Even through Derby's tough time a season or so back they kept attending & supporting their struggling team. Stoke fans go on about being loyal & criticising clubs with small followings, but as things go, we are well down the pecking order when it comes to well supported clubs. Spot on mate and I think the fact they were so close to going out of business(new chairman’s words last week) has made them value the club they have whatever the division
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Post by cliffo23 on Jul 4, 2023 18:40:22 GMT
That is great support & fair play to them 👏🏻
Comparing our support to theirs though isn’t fair. The club has been run like a shambles since we got relegated, people pay their money & are entitled to be miffed with what’s gone on. We could sell the Bet365 out & it wouldn’t make a difference to the team on the pitch! Couldn’t get results with a half full stadium, our home form has been shocking 🤦🏻♂️
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Post by callas12 on Jul 4, 2023 18:56:04 GMT
That is great support & fair play to them 👏🏻 Comparing our support to theirs though isn’t fair. The club has been run like a shambles since we got relegated, people pay their money & are entitled to be miffed with what’s gone on. We could sell the Bet365 out & it wouldn’t make a difference to the team on the pitch! Couldn’t get results with a half full stadium, our home form has been shocking 🤦🏻♂️ Yeah do totally get that and understand your points, perhaps is an unfair comparison. I guess whilst I understand Stoke fans decision to not go to the games or renew season tickets, & I always go through that consideration thought process prior to renewing, it's something I always think about but invariably will also proceed to purchase. But seeing the dwindling attendances at the Bet365 is frustrating & disappointing in equal measure. Sunderland for eg have had a rougher ride than us the 10yrs or so on and off the pitch and yet they always have great home attendances & sell out for the vast majority of away fixtures. They keep going despite what ever it is they're watching on the pitch. I know, I'm comparing us to Sunderland now, but just seems like Stoke fans are very fickle when it comes to celebrating our fanbase and mocking other clubs along the way. & I really worry how bad things would get within our fanbase if we were to fall on proper hard times, & go through the mill like Derby & Sunderland have done & where we'd be in those cirqs. & to honest I think we'd have far less interest/positivity than what Derby & Sunderland have shown since their time out of the Championship.
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Post by nottsover60 on Jul 4, 2023 18:57:24 GMT
That is great support & fair play to them 👏🏻 Comparing our support to theirs though isn’t fair. The club has been run like a shambles since we got relegated, people pay their money & are entitled to be miffed with what’s gone on. We could sell the Bet365 out & it wouldn’t make a difference to the team on the pitch! Couldn’t get results with a half full stadium, our home form has been shocking 🤦🏻♂️ And Derby have been well run?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 4, 2023 19:02:30 GMT
That is great support & fair play to them 👏🏻 Comparing our support to theirs though isn’t fair. The club has been run like a shambles since we got relegated, people pay their money & are entitled to be miffed with what’s gone on. We could sell the Bet365 out & it wouldn’t make a difference to the team on the pitch! Couldn’t get results with a half full stadium, our home form has been shocking 🤦🏻♂️ Yeah do totally get that and understand your points, perhaps is an unfair comparison. I guess whilst I understand Stoke fans decision to not go to the games or renew season tickets, & I always go through that consideration thought process prior to renewing, it's something I always think about but invariably will also proceed to purchase. But seeing the dwindling attendances at the Bet365 is frustrating & disappointing in equal measure. Sunderland for eg have had a rougher ride than us the 10yrs or so on and off the pitch and yet they always have great home attendances & sell out for the vast majority of away fixtures. They keep going despite what ever it is they're watching on the pitch. I know, I'm comparing us to Sunderland now, but just seems like Stoke fans are very fickle when it comes to celebrating our fanbase and mocking other clubs along the way. & I really worry how bad things would get within our fanbase if we were to fall on proper hard times, & go through the mill like Derby & Sunderland have done & where we'd be in those cirqs. & to honest I think we'd have far less interest/positivity than what Derby & Sunderland have shown since their time out of the Championship. Another team here who’ve sold a few as well,fans been through the mill there in the last few years and close to going out of business
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Post by callas12 on Jul 4, 2023 19:05:17 GMT
Yeah do totally get that and understand your points, perhaps is an unfair comparison. I guess whilst I understand Stoke fans decision to not go to the games or renew season tickets, & I always go through that consideration thought process prior to renewing, it's something I always think about but invariably will also proceed to purchase. But seeing the dwindling attendances at the Bet365 is frustrating & disappointing in equal measure. Sunderland for eg have had a rougher ride than us the 10yrs or so on and off the pitch and yet they always have great home attendances & sell out for the vast majority of away fixtures. They keep going despite what ever it is they're watching on the pitch. I know, I'm comparing us to Sunderland now, but just seems like Stoke fans are very fickle when it comes to celebrating our fanbase and mocking other clubs along the way. & I really worry how bad things would get within our fanbase if we were to fall on proper hard times, & go through the mill like Derby & Sunderland have done & where we'd be in those cirqs. & to honest I think we'd have far less interest/positivity than what Derby & Sunderland have shown since their time out of the Championship. Another team here who’ve sold a few as well,fans been through the mill there in the last few years and close to going out of business Can see 15,500 being just below our average gate if next season continues on from how the last finished. The Bet365 white seating was becoming clearer and clearer to decipher with each passing home game as the season drew to a close.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 4, 2023 19:06:59 GMT
Another team here who’ve sold a few as well,fans been through the mill there in the last few years and close to going out of business Can see 15,500 being just below our average gate if next season continues on from how the last finished. The Bet365 white seating was becoming clearer and clearer to decipher with each passing home game as the season drew to a close. Haven’t they said season tickets are at the same level again?That Wigan night game was the fewest I’d seen for a very long time
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Post by cheadlepotter on Jul 4, 2023 19:10:03 GMT
Their fans have certainly got the bug again after all the turmoil of over a year ago😳good support that in league One Excellent support that is. I get alot of our fans have lost interest with our drab run of seasons but alot are also very fickle. Need to take the rough with the smooth when supporting your club, those lost numbers we've sustained since our relegation would soon start coming back if we did manage to put together some kind of promotion charge. I'm not happy with what we've been served up the last few seasons but will so go, it's the hope that keeps you going. Even through Derby's tough time a season or so back they kept attending & supporting their struggling team. Stoke fans go on about being loyal & criticising clubs with small followings, but as things go, we are well down the pecking order when it comes to well supported clubs. Derby v Stoke-On-Trent population is very similar according to Google (258k v 256k) but we’ve got two clubs. Average attendance last season (worldfootball.net) Derby - 27,259 Stoke-On-Trent - 28,251 (20570 + 7681) Considering the rubbish we’ve put up with the last six years, and the unwashed in the bottom half of the third division, I don’t think either club is poorly supported at the moment.
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Post by callas12 on Jul 4, 2023 19:17:50 GMT
Can see 15,500 being just below our average gate if next season continues on from how the last finished. The Bet365 white seating was becoming clearer and clearer to decipher with each passing home game as the season drew to a close. Haven’t they said season tickets are at the same level again?That Wigan night game was the fewest I’d seen for a very long time Not sure actually, was going to say I hadn't heard any estimates about ST Renewals/ Sales for this season. If it is about the same then it must be the same crazy fools who do it in anticipation & hope rather than any guaranteed prospect of success or enjoyment! 😉🤣
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 4, 2023 19:22:55 GMT
Haven’t they said season tickets are at the same level again?That Wigan night game was the fewest I’d seen for a very long time Not sure actually, was going to say I hadn't heard any estimates about ST Renewals/ Sales for this season. If it is about the same then it must be the same crazy fools who do it in anticipation & hope rather than any guaranteed prospect of success or enjoyment! 😉🤣 It’ll be better mate I’m convinced 😊I hope so because I can’t keep listening to your mate on the radio😄
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2023 19:41:14 GMT
Excellent support that is. I get alot of our fans have lost interest with our drab run of seasons but alot are also very fickle. Need to take the rough with the smooth when supporting your club, those lost numbers we've sustained since our relegation would soon start coming back if we did manage to put together some kind of promotion charge. I'm not happy with what we've been served up the last few seasons but will so go, it's the hope that keeps you going. Even through Derby's tough time a season or so back they kept attending & supporting their struggling team. Stoke fans go on about being loyal & criticising clubs with small followings, but as things go, we are well down the pecking order when it comes to well supported clubs. Derby v Stoke-On-Trent population is very similar according to Google (258k v 256k) but we’ve got two clubs. Average attendance last season (worldfootball.net) Derby - 27,259 Stoke-On-Trent - 28,251 (20570 + 7681) Considering the rubbish we’ve put up with the last six years, and the unwashed in the bottom half of the third division, I don’t think either club is poorly supported at the moment. Stoke is a bigger city than Derby. I’m struggling to find the exact recent numbers but it seems quite a common occurrence on this board for people to use city limits instead of the conurbation/built up area. And clearly it’s inappropriate to use the raw city limits; certainly in this context where you’re judging catchment area. But I’d argue in most other contexts when judging the true size of a place. The Derby built up area in 2011 (all I can find) was about 270k. Maybe it’s closer to 300k these days? Stoke on Trent built up area was 384k in 2019, and I would guess it’s closer to 400k now. For context, using raw city limits to judge, Newcastle upon Tyne (around 300k) would only be a slightly bigger city than stoke and derby, even though it’s the focal point of a far larger conurbation. (If you’ve ever been to NUT you’d know intuitively it’s a far larger city) Using this same means of measuring, Sheffield is a bigger city than both Manchester and Liverpool…
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Post by cheadlepotter on Jul 4, 2023 19:44:00 GMT
Derby v Stoke-On-Trent population is very similar according to Google (258k v 256k) but we’ve got two clubs. Average attendance last season (worldfootball.net) Derby - 27,259 Stoke-On-Trent - 28,251 (20570 + 7681) Considering the rubbish we’ve put up with the last six years, and the unwashed in the bottom half of the third division, I don’t think either club is poorly supported at the moment. Stoke is a bigger city than Derby. I’m struggling to find the exact recent numbers but it seems quite a common occurrence on this board for people to use city limits instead of the conurbation/built up area. And clearly it’s inappropriate to use the raw city limits. The Derby built up area in 2011 (all I can find) was about 270k. Maybe it’s closer to 300k these days? Stoke on Trent built up area was 384k in 2019, and I would guess it’s closer to 400k now. For context, using raw city limits to judge, Newcastle upon Tyne (around 300k) would only be a slightly bigger city than stoke and derby, even though it’s the focal point of a far larger conurbation. (If you’ve ever been to NUT you’d know intuitively it’s a far larger city) Using this same means of measuring, Sheffield is a bigger city than both Manchester and Liverpool… That’s fair enough. I wouldn’t know where to look for a more in depth analysis of both areas, and I also accept surrounding areas can have an affect too. However I still don’t think we’re poorly supported in numbers all things considered.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2023 19:52:38 GMT
Stoke is a bigger city than Derby. I’m struggling to find the exact recent numbers but it seems quite a common occurrence on this board for people to use city limits instead of the conurbation/built up area. And clearly it’s inappropriate to use the raw city limits. The Derby built up area in 2011 (all I can find) was about 270k. Maybe it’s closer to 300k these days? Stoke on Trent built up area was 384k in 2019, and I would guess it’s closer to 400k now. For context, using raw city limits to judge, Newcastle upon Tyne (around 300k) would only be a slightly bigger city than stoke and derby, even though it’s the focal point of a far larger conurbation. (If you’ve ever been to NUT you’d know intuitively it’s a far larger city) Using this same means of measuring, Sheffield is a bigger city than both Manchester and Liverpool… That’s fair enough. I wouldn’t know where to look for a more in depth analysis of both areas, and I also accept surrounding areas can have an affect too. However I still don’t think we’re poorly supported in numbers all things considered. It can’t be ignored that we’re a 2 club town. Whilst vale only get a small crowd, hypothetically if stoke was a one club city and we played in a central location (Hanley) we would likely be closer to Sunderland sized IMO. I think we’re quite well supported, especially if our crowds bottom out around the 20k mark and don’t slip towards what they were before our last promotion.
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Post by onefatcopper on Jul 4, 2023 20:37:14 GMT
Excellent support that is. I get alot of our fans have lost interest with our drab run of seasons but alot are also very fickle. Need to take the rough with the smooth when supporting your club, those lost numbers we've sustained since our relegation would soon start coming back if we did manage to put together some kind of promotion charge. I'm not happy with what we've been served up the last few seasons but will so go, it's the hope that keeps you going. Even through Derby's tough time a season or so back they kept attending & supporting their struggling team. Stoke fans go on about being loyal & criticising clubs with small followings, but as things go, we are well down the pecking order when it comes to well supported clubs. Derby v Stoke-On-Trent population is very similar according to Google (258k v 256k) but we’ve got two clubs. Average attendance last season (worldfootball.net) Derby - 27,259 Stoke-On-Trent - 28,251 (20570 + 7681) Considering the rubbish we’ve put up with the last six years, and the unwashed in the bottom half of the third division, I don’t think either club is poorly supported at the moment. Yes we are a two club city but within easy travelling distance Derby have Forest,Notts County,Burton and even Leicester ! And take the 7681 you are using for Vale a average of 20570 for Stoke isn’t that good when we are in a higher division and hosting a larger away following ?
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Post by lordb on Jul 4, 2023 20:42:33 GMT
Derby v Stoke-On-Trent population is very similar according to Google (258k v 256k) but we’ve got two clubs. Average attendance last season (worldfootball.net) Derby - 27,259 Stoke-On-Trent - 28,251 (20570 + 7681) Considering the rubbish we’ve put up with the last six years, and the unwashed in the bottom half of the third division, I don’t think either club is poorly supported at the moment. Yes we are a two club city but within easy travelling distance Derby have Forest,Notts County,Burton and even Leicester ! And take the 7681 you are using for Vale a average of 20570 for Stoke isn’t that good when we are in a higher division and hosting a larger away following ? Derby have almost a whole county as a catchment area, we don't
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Post by onefatcopper on Jul 4, 2023 20:58:21 GMT
Yes we are a two club city but within easy travelling distance Derby have Forest,Notts County,Burton and even Leicester ! And take the 7681 you are using for Vale a average of 20570 for Stoke isn’t that good when we are in a higher division and hosting a larger away following ? Derby have almost a whole county as a catchment area, we don't Yes, but there’s only us and Vale in Stokenshire ?
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