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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jun 26, 2022 18:47:03 GMT
Went to see Elvis today. I was never much of an Elvis fan; when I was getting into music he was a bit of a mess. No Elvis, Beatles or the Rolling Stones in 1977 resonated with me. Since then, I’ve come to like a few of his songs (it would be impossible not to) but never thought much about him. I’m no fanboy in other words. But… this film is sensational (I’m agreeing with bigjohnritchie who commented separately who I think is a fan?). The actor playing Elvis is utterly convincing and captivating. The live music scenes from his early gigs to his final performance are astonishing- the incredible energy at the start, the poignancy at the end. One to go and see. 9/10 Yes , I saw it at the Printworks, Manchester on Friday, with the family. I think Baz has done a fantastic job and gets the essence of Elvis over brilliantly. From My knowledge 95% of it is accurate ....and the bits of licence were needed in my opinion to tell the story. Tom Hanks and Austin Butler were brilliant in my opinion. Baz did an extensive amount of research into the film...and is on record as saying its not just about Elvis, but America in the 50s, 60s and 70s and the background of racism. And of course the story of a person who grew up in utter poverty and then was catapulted to worldwide stardom ...and then a life out of control ( ie, he could not control those who wanted to exploit him and was trapped)and loneliness. There were more hangers on than just Tom Parker, many of the Memphis Mafia would not let anyone near Elvis for their own ends. For instance he interviewed ( on Google) Sam Smith, Elvis' Black childhood friend....they were friends in Shake Rag ( where I've visited when I went to Graceland/ Memphis)....and the Presleys were only one of four white families in the community. Smith's family ( who ran a successful business) had to help the Presleys out, financially. Smith says his parents " worshipped " Elvis as he gave them the equal respect as adults that was given to white adults ( and " he didn't have to do that") He and Martin Luther King used to exchange phone calls, he spent 6 weeks at Muhammad Ali's training camp In my opinion perhaps the bits that didn't come out were Elvis' amazing generosity and sense of humour , and his respect for his fans...he always knew he owed them a great debt, well testified by those who knew him ...and I think the fact that he and Priscilla were divorced was glossed over...and the two women in his life , post divorce, Linda Thompson and Ginger Alden, who was the first to " find" his body, were omitted.....perhaps somewhat understandably, the film was two and a half hours as it was. I'm glad you enjoyed it, Partick. I must add that I don't think people appreciate ( understandably), the impact upon , not just music, but clothes, culture and his impact upon the WAY in which music was produced. In the studio ,HE was in charge, it had not used to be like that. And ,something/ someone had to play a part in breaking the black/ white division in music . It should not have to have been done , but was needed. Elvis did it simply because , he was talented, but he was a young lad , who loved music and was exposed to different types , black blues, white country and, his favourite, Gospel. I also don't think it is appreciated what a rebel he was, before he was characterised as fat Elvis, achieving this in segregated America, more revolutionary than the Beatles , Stones, Punk, Rap etc in my opinion Many of the stars in the 60s attribute their success to Elvis. artstribune.com/2022/03/10/baz-luhrmann-interviews-elvis-presleys-childhood-friend-sam-bell-and-elvis-presleys-longtime-graceland-cook-mary-jenkins/
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jun 26, 2022 22:30:33 GMT
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Jun 27, 2022 13:47:12 GMT
8/10 Footloose: I was surprised how much I enjoyed Footloose, although I thought it was a musical (it isn't). I didn't know Kevin Bacon had such moves. One of those films where it's plainly obvious what's going to happen but the ride is feel-good and fun.
7/10
Jurassic World Dominion: a mess that had so much potential. One minute it was like Bond or Bourne, for a moment like Indiana Jones and Mission: Impossible, while still trying to be like Jurassic World. Some of the acting was far sketchier than I remember in the previous films. Some of the animatronics were not lifelike. Overall disappointing after I loved the first two Jurassic Park and Jurassic World films, but it was still fun enough for me to give it a 7. Despite them being shoehorned in, it was fun seeing the trio from the original Jurassic Park. The villain wasn't great but the other two newbie characters were good.
Summer Ghost: decent anime that isn't as weighty as it hopes to be.
Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure: the most feel-good film about kidnapping?
6/10 Rare Beasts: Supposedly an "anti rom-com" from Billie Piper. She was good in it, but the other main character was unlikeable and I didn't get the point of the film. At times it was like it was trying to be weird or quirky and it just didn't fit.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jun 27, 2022 23:13:44 GMT
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 30, 2022 20:22:22 GMT
This week's movie - Lightyear
Garbage.
Toy Story 1 thru’ 4 are just awesome films (ok maybe 4 is more of a 7.5/10).
Lightyear is light years away. None of the charm, magic, joy of TS.
2/10
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Post by 36dd on Jul 8, 2022 5:19:05 GMT
Went to see Thor Love & Thunder last night, I have enjoyed Marvel movies (and a couple of the tv shows), but this was awful.
Ragnorok was funny, but this was a mess and made Eternals look good. Hopefully marvel can pull it back once James Gunn releases Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 3?
3/10
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Jul 8, 2022 6:26:23 GMT
Laid off the films the last couple of months but finally got round to watching Another Round. It was alright. 6/10
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Post by Goonie on Jul 8, 2022 16:58:30 GMT
Went to see Elvis today. I was never much of an Elvis fan; when I was getting into music he was a bit of a mess. No Elvis, Beatles or the Rolling Stones in 1977 resonated with me. Since then, I’ve come to like a few of his songs (it would be impossible not to) but never thought much about him. I’m no fanboy in other words. But… this film is sensational (I’m agreeing with bigjohnritchie who commented separately who I think is a fan?). The actor playing Elvis is utterly convincing and captivating. The live music scenes from his early gigs to his final performance are astonishing- the incredible energy at the start, the poignancy at the end. One to go and see. 9/10 Yes , I saw it at the Printworks, Manchester on Friday, with the family. I think Baz has done a fantastic job and gets the essence of Elvis over brilliantly. From My knowledge 95% of it is accurate ....and the bits of licence were needed in my opinion to tell the story. Tom Hanks and Austin Butler were brilliant in my opinion. Baz did an extensive amount of research into the film...and is on record as saying its not just about Elvis, but America in the 50s, 60s and 70s and the background of racism. And of course the story of a person who grew up in utter poverty and then was catapulted to worldwide stardom ...and then a life out of control ( ie, he could not control those who wantrd to exploit him and was trapped)and loneliness. There were more hangers on than just Tom Parker, many of the Memphis Mafia would not let anyone near Elvis for their own ends. For instance he interviewed ( on Google) Sam Smith, Elvis' Black childhood friend....they were friends in Shake Rag ( where I've visited when I went to Graceland/ Memphis)....and the Presleys were only one of four white families in the community. Smith's family ( who ran a successful business)had to help the Presleys out, financially. Smith says his parents " worshipped " Elvis as he gave them the equal respect as adults that was given to white adults ( and " he didn't have to do that") He and Martin Luther King used to exchange phone calls, he spent 6 weeks at Muhammad Ali's training camp In my opinion perhaps the bits that didn't come out were Elvis' amazing generosity and sense of humour , and his respect for his fans...he always knew he owed them a great debt, well testified by those who knew him ...and I think the fact that he and Priscilla were divorced was glossed over...and the two women in his life , post divorce, Linda Thompson and Ginger Alden, who was the first to " find" his body, were omitted.....perhaps somewhat understandably, the film was two and a half hours as it was. I'm glad you enjoyed it, Partick. I must add that I don't think people appreciate ( understandably), the impact upon , not just music, but clothes, culture and his impact upon the WAY in which music was produced. In the studio ,HE was in charge, it had not used to be like that. And ,something/ someone had to play a part in breaking the black/ white division in music . It should not have to have been done , but was needed. Elvis did it simply because , he was talented, but he was a young lad , who loved music and was exposed to different types , black blues, white country and, his favourite, Gospel. I also don't think it is appreciated what a rebel he was, before he was characterised as fat Elvis, achieving this in segregated America, more revolutionary than the Beatles , Stones, Punk, Rap etc in my opinion Many of the stars in the 60s attribute their success to Elvis. artstribune.com/2022/03/10/baz-luhrmann-interviews-elvis-presleys-childhood-friend-sam-bell-and-elvis-presleys-longtime-graceland-cook-mary-jenkins/Re Elvis's humour: it's a must watch till the end! Apparently a chap in the crowd removed his wife and began waving it as he sang
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 8, 2022 17:23:45 GMT
Yes , I saw it at the Printworks, Manchester on Friday, with the family. I think Baz has done a fantastic job and gets the essence of Elvis over brilliantly. From My knowledge 95% of it is accurate ....and the bits of licence were needed in my opinion to tell the story. Tom Hanks and Austin Butler were brilliant in my opinion. Baz did an extensive amount of research into the film...and is on record as saying its not just about Elvis, but America in the 50s, 60s and 70s and the background of racism. And of course the story of a person who grew up in utter poverty and then was catapulted to worldwide stardom ...and then a life out of control ( ie, he could not control those who wantrd to exploit him and was trapped)and loneliness. There were more hangers on than just Tom Parker, many of the Memphis Mafia would not let anyone near Elvis for their own ends. For instance he interviewed ( on Google) Sam Smith, Elvis' Black childhood friend....they were friends in Shake Rag ( where I've visited when I went to Graceland/ Memphis)....and the Presleys were only one of four white families in the community. Smith's family ( who ran a successful business)had to help the Presleys out, financially. Smith says his parents " worshipped " Elvis as he gave them the equal respect as adults that was given to white adults ( and " he didn't have to do that") He and Martin Luther King used to exchange phone calls, he spent 6 weeks at Muhammad Ali's training camp In my opinion perhaps the bits that didn't come out were Elvis' amazing generosity and sense of humour , and his respect for his fans...he always knew he owed them a great debt, well testified by those who knew him ...and I think the fact that he and Priscilla were divorced was glossed over...and the two women in his life , post divorce, Linda Thompson and Ginger Alden, who was the first to " find" his body, were omitted.....perhaps somewhat understandably, the film was two and a half hours as it was. I'm glad you enjoyed it, Partick. I must add that I don't think people appreciate ( understandably), the impact upon , not just music, but clothes, culture and his impact upon the WAY in which music was produced. In the studio ,HE was in charge, it had not used to be like that. And ,something/ someone had to play a part in breaking the black/ white division in music . It should not have to have been done , but was needed. Elvis did it simply because , he was talented, but he was a young lad , who loved music and was exposed to different types , black blues, white country and, his favourite, Gospel. I also don't think it is appreciated what a rebel he was, before he was characterised as fat Elvis, achieving this in segregated America, more revolutionary than the Beatles , Stones, Punk, Rap etc in my opinion Many of the stars in the 60s attribute their success to Elvis. artstribune.com/2022/03/10/baz-luhrmann-interviews-elvis-presleys-childhood-friend-sam-bell-and-elvis-presleys-longtime-graceland-cook-mary-jenkins/Re Elvis's humour: it's a must watch till the end! Apparently a chap in the crowd removed his wife and began waving it as he sang This is the cliché cabaret Elvis of my youth that I couldn’t stand. At the time (mind I was young!), I thought it was pathetic. Some fat old fool stumbling through a set. As I got older and (possibly) wiser, I found it sad. Since watching the Elvis film, tragic is my overriding thought. What a talent. What a waste. As Ian Dury once sang.
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Post by Goonie on Jul 8, 2022 17:50:33 GMT
Re Elvis's humour: it's a must watch till the end! Apparently a chap in the crowd removed his wife and began waving it as he sang This is the cliché cabaret Elvis of my youth that I couldn’t stand. At the time (mind I was young!), I thought it was pathetic. Some fat old fool stumbling through a set. As I got older and (possibly) wiser, I found it sad. Since watching the Elvis film, tragic is my overriding thought. What a talent. What a waste. As Ian Dury once sang. If you listen to Malcolm Gladwell he suggests this is a Freudian thing for Elvis in that he felt so lonely he couldn't sing the song live with forgetting the words or laughing. Does put a tragic twist on it
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 8, 2022 18:52:22 GMT
This is the cliché cabaret Elvis of my youth that I couldn’t stand. At the time (mind I was young!), I thought it was pathetic. Some fat old fool stumbling through a set. As I got older and (possibly) wiser, I found it sad. Since watching the Elvis film, tragic is my overriding thought. What a talent. What a waste. As Ian Dury once sang. If you listen to Malcolm Gladwell he suggests this is a Freudian thing for Elvis in that he felt so lonely he couldn't sing the song live with forgetting the words or laughing. Does put a tragic twist on it I absolutely get that. The Elvis film really brought home to me the brilliance and tragedy that was Elvis Presley. I’ve thought about it loads since I watched it. Always the sign of a very good film. The final scene in the film where Elvis sings Unchained Melody is heart breaking. And sensational acting, as is the entire performance of Austin Butler.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 8, 2022 19:51:48 GMT
Yes , I saw it at the Printworks, Manchester on Friday, with the family. I think Baz has done a fantastic job and gets the essence of Elvis over brilliantly. From My knowledge 95% of it is accurate ....and the bits of licence were needed in my opinion to tell the story. Tom Hanks and Austin Butler were brilliant in my opinion. Baz did an extensive amount of research into the film...and is on record as saying its not just about Elvis, but America in the 50s, 60s and 70s and the background of racism. And of course the story of a person who grew up in utter poverty and then was catapulted to worldwide stardom ...and then a life out of control ( ie, he could not control those who wantrd to exploit him and was trapped)and loneliness. There were more hangers on than just Tom Parker, many of the Memphis Mafia would not let anyone near Elvis for their own ends. For instance he interviewed ( on Google) Sam Smith, Elvis' Black childhood friend....they were friends in Shake Rag ( where I've visited when I went to Graceland/ Memphis)....and the Presleys were only one of four white families in the community. Smith's family ( who ran a successful business)had to help the Presleys out, financially. Smith says his parents " worshipped " Elvis as he gave them the equal respect as adults that was given to white adults ( and " he didn't have to do that") He and Martin Luther King used to exchange phone calls, he spent 6 weeks at Muhammad Ali's training camp In my opinion perhaps the bits that didn't come out were Elvis' amazing generosity and sense of humour , and his respect for his fans...he always knew he owed them a great debt, well testified by those who knew him ...and I think the fact that he and Priscilla were divorced was glossed over...and the two women in his life , post divorce, Linda Thompson and Ginger Alden, who was the first to " find" his body, were omitted.....perhaps somewhat understandably, the film was two and a half hours as it was. I'm glad you enjoyed it, Partick. I must add that I don't think people appreciate ( understandably), the impact upon , not just music, but clothes, culture and his impact upon the WAY in which music was produced. In the studio ,HE was in charge, it had not used to be like that. And ,something/ someone had to play a part in breaking the black/ white division in music . It should not have to have been done , but was needed. Elvis did it simply because , he was talented, but he was a young lad , who loved music and was exposed to different types , black blues, white country and, his favourite, Gospel. I also don't think it is appreciated what a rebel he was, before he was characterised as fat Elvis, achieving this in segregated America, more revolutionary than the Beatles , Stones, Punk, Rap etc in my opinion Many of the stars in the 60s attribute their success to Elvis. artstribune.com/2022/03/10/baz-luhrmann-interviews-elvis-presleys-childhood-friend-sam-bell-and-elvis-presleys-longtime-graceland-cook-mary-jenkins/Re Elvis's humour: it's a must watch till the end! Apparently a chap in the crowd removed his wife and began waving it as he sang I honestly believe that Elvis was a once in a generation " innovator ", genius if you like.....as he always said himself, modestly, just lucky in some respects, he came along at the right time, segregation America, had the right background/ experience, at a time when reproducible music, television, and worldwide markets were possible. But what he didn't include was his own personal experience, character, talent, charisma and empathy for others......which is why he is why he is "worshipped" by his fans. He did not just change how music was understood but also culture, sexuality, expression, creativity ( in my opinion), but not in a big- headed way, but innocently, which made it more powerful.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 8, 2022 19:58:05 GMT
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 8, 2022 20:01:53 GMT
August 17, 1977 Elvis Presley's death deprives our country of a part of itself. He was unique and irreplaceable. More than 20 years ago, he burst upon the scene with an impact that was unprecedented and will probably never be equaled. His music and his personality, fusing the styles of white country and black rhythm and blues, permanently changed the face of American popular culture. His following was immense, and he was a symbol to people the world over of the vitality, rebelliousness, and good humor of his country. Jimmy Carter, Statement by the President on the Death of Elvis Presley Online by Gerhard Peters and John T. Woolley, The American Presidency Project www.presidency.ucsb.edu/node/243942
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Jul 8, 2022 20:59:31 GMT
Elvis was only so huge because TV networks in America didn't want to put black musicians on TV. Chuck Berry, Sister Rosetta Tharpe, Big Mama Thornton, Little Richard etc. So many of Elvis' big hits were covers of songs by black musicians - and the originals are often better.
I've nothing against Elvis - it's the position he was put in, and he was most definitely a great entertainer. I haven't seen the new film yet and am looking forward to seeing it.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 8, 2022 21:23:48 GMT
Elvis was only so huge because TV networks in America didn't want to put black musicians on TV. Chuck Berry, Sister Rosetta Tharpe, Big Mama Thornton, Little Richard etc. So many of Elvis' big hits were covers of songs by black musicians - and the originals are often better. I've nothing against Elvis - it's the position he was put in, and he was most definitely a great entertainer. I haven't seen the new film yet and am looking forward to seeing it. I think you are absolutely right , Valid.That is covered in the film, the people uou mention are all in the film. But I think Elvis as a young lad , growing up amongst those influences and cultures could not help but be influenced by them .In my opinion, he simply loved music ...and happened to be talented. Most young people love music and relate to the influences and culture that surrounds them . I think Baz explains it well on this long video
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Post by musik on Jul 8, 2022 23:21:43 GMT
What's the difference between a movie and a film?
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Post by marylandstoke on Jul 9, 2022 0:25:10 GMT
Re Elvis's humour: it's a must watch till the end! Apparently a chap in the crowd removed his wife and began waving it as he sang This is the cliché cabaret Elvis of my youth that I couldn’t stand. At the time (mind I was young!), I thought it was pathetic. Some fat old fool stumbling through a set. As I got older and (possibly) wiser, I found it sad. Since watching the Elvis film, tragic is my overriding thought. What a talent. What a waste. As Ian Dury once sang. First night nerves every one night stand.
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Post by marylandstoke on Jul 9, 2022 0:26:05 GMT
What's the difference between a movie and a film? A bag of popcorn.
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Post by Goonie on Jul 9, 2022 6:46:25 GMT
What's the difference between a movie and a film? The Atlantic Ocean 😁 Though some Americans use the term film to apply to 'proper' cinematic art as opposed to a movie as pure entertainment
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Jul 9, 2022 21:18:02 GMT
What's the difference between a movie and a film? The Atlantic Ocean 😁 Though some Americans use the term film to apply to 'proper' cinematic art as opposed to a movie as pure entertainment I can't tell by that sentence which side of the Atlantic Ocean you're on.
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Post by Goonie on Jul 9, 2022 21:54:40 GMT
The Atlantic Ocean 😁 Though some Americans use the term film to apply to 'proper' cinematic art as opposed to a movie as pure entertainment I can't tell by that sentence which side of the Atlantic Ocean you're on. Very much English 😁
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Post by musik on Jul 9, 2022 22:14:28 GMT
Watching the south korean movie "The Host" now. About a giant fish eating people.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jul 10, 2022 19:42:53 GMT
What a cast!
Soundtrack sounds excellent too.
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Post by mattador78 on Jul 11, 2022 8:50:15 GMT
Caught up with marvel at the weekend just need do Thor finish up to date. Loved Spider-Man but thought dr strange was a bit meh other than the cameos. So I watched wind river and den of thieves again to up the quality viewing.
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Post by yeokel on Jul 11, 2022 9:31:23 GMT
And now for something completely different……..
We watched a film called The Constant Gardener on Netflix last night. It is loosely based on a true story, and tells a story based around the drug trials big-pharma held (and continues to hold) in Africa on, particularly, African children.
It is very thought provoking. Admittedly it is not a laught-a-minute, but is extremely well acted, quite intense, and features some fantastic cinematography.
I would recommend it to you for the next time there is nowt on telly if you fancy a poignant film.
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Post by thevoid on Jul 11, 2022 9:33:43 GMT
And now for something completely different…….. We watched a film called The Constant Gardener on Netflix last night. It is loosely based on a true story, and tells a story based around the drug trials big-pharma held (and continues to hold) in Africa on, particularly, African children. It is very thought provoking. Admittedly it is not a laught-a-minute, but is extremely well acted, quite intense, and features some fantastic cinematography. I would recommend it to you for the next time there is nowt on telly if you fancy a poignant film. Is Alan Titchmarsh in it?
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Post by yeokel on Jul 11, 2022 9:43:02 GMT
And now for something completely different…….. We watched a film called The Constant Gardener on Netflix last night. It is loosely based on a true story, and tells a story based around the drug trials big-pharma held (and continues to hold) in Africa on, particularly, African children. It is very thought provoking. Admittedly it is not a laught-a-minute, but is extremely well acted, quite intense, and features some fantastic cinematography. I would recommend it to you for the next time there is nowt on telly if you fancy a poignant film. Is Alan Titchmarsh in it? The Mrs thought it was going to be that sort of film (she’s a keen gardener) and was initially a bit disappointed when she realised that there was going to be no place in it for the likes of Titchmarsh However, ‘enjoyed’ it in the end. (It’s not really the sort of film you ‘enjoy’. But you feel better for having watched it)
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Jul 13, 2022 19:18:56 GMT
7/10 for everything: Thor: Love and Thunder Stupid but in a good and funny way. Probably the most laughs of a Marvel film but failed to hit the heights of the most moving of the superhero films. Boiling Point Stephen Graham and Vinette Robinson are excellent as chefs in a one-take realistic-feeling film set in a stressful restaurant kitchen at Christmas. Cam Mystery/thriller about a cam girl who goes to extremes to make herself more popular. An interesting and often depressing (only wanting to be popular) insight into some of these lives and a twist (albeit unsurprising) of what the future probably holds. And now for something completely different…….. We watched a film called The Constant Gardener on Netflix last night. It is loosely based on a true story, and tells a story based around the drug trials big-pharma held (and continues to hold) in Africa on, particularly, African children. It is very thought provoking. Admittedly it is not a laught-a-minute, but is extremely well acted, quite intense, and features some fantastic cinematography. I would recommend it to you for the next time there is nowt on telly if you fancy a poignant film. Great film!
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Post by AlliG on Jul 13, 2022 19:57:16 GMT
And now for something completely different…….. We watched a film called The Constant Gardener on Netflix last night. It is loosely based on a true story, and tells a story based around the drug trials big-pharma held (and continues to hold) in Africa on, particularly, African children. It is very thought provoking. Admittedly it is not a laught-a-minute, but is extremely well acted, quite intense, and features some fantastic cinematography. I would recommend it to you for the next time there is nowt on telly if you fancy a poignant film. It is based on a John LeCarre book, who got his idea from something he had read about drug trials in Africa. It is a brilliant book, one of LeCarre's best post Cold War books, but as is his want, it is bleak and there are certainly no happy endings.
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