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Post by robwahlmann on Oct 29, 2022 7:53:45 GMT
Some people now waking up to the fact that Hughes's signing were the reason we're where we are now. Moting was obviously a very good player Signings weren't right, but the people he chose to get rid of were worse! I still can't forgive him for getting rid of Huth!
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Post by theonlooker on Oct 29, 2022 8:00:25 GMT
Scored 5 in 30 from the wing. Crouch scored 5 in 31 the same season up front. Not only are the likes of Crouch overlooked for the part they played in our relegation, but they are openly celebrated for 'speaking the truth' about that dreadful part of our history. The only truth that needs to be spoken is that Choupo-Moting was no better or worse than the rest of them, Crouch, Bardsley, Johnson, Adam and Shawcross included. The bit that annoys me the most about the ‘good, honest, British pros’ we had, is they’ve all spoken about how they could see it in preseason. Has one of them come out and said they did anything at all to try and stop it? No. All they did was come out and moan about the culture from the likes of Shaqiri, Moting, Berahino and Jese - as if they couldn't have done anything about it. Crouch especially has gone vocal about it many years after the event and so has Glen Johnson. All they did was sit back and watch. They are all complicit, every single player in a dressing room - especially a supposed core of british lads - has the opportunity to drive a better culture. They did nothing clearly and just sat back, took their last pay cheques and watched the club consume itself from within. Wankers the lot of them - Crouch included.
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Post by lordb on Oct 29, 2022 8:28:24 GMT
The bit that annoys me the most about the ‘good, honest, British pros’ we had, is they’ve all spoken about how they could see it in preseason. Has one of them come out and said they did anything at all to try and stop it? No. All they did was come out and moan about the culture from the likes of Shaqiri, Moting, Berahino and Jese - as if they couldn't have done anything about it. Crouch especially has gone vocal about it many years after the event and so has Glen Johnson. All they did was sit back and watch. They are all complicit, every single player in a dressing room - especially a supposed core of british lads - has the opportunity to drive a better culture. They did nothing clearly and just sat back, took their last pay cheques and watched the club consume itself from within. Wankers the lot of them - Crouch included. The British players literally were beating Berhaino up at one point
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Post by theonlooker on Oct 29, 2022 8:37:31 GMT
All they did was come out and moan about the culture from the likes of Shaqiri, Moting, Berahino and Jese - as if they couldn't have done anything about it. Crouch especially has gone vocal about it many years after the event and so has Glen Johnson. All they did was sit back and watch. They are all complicit, every single player in a dressing room - especially a supposed core of british lads - has the opportunity to drive a better culture. They did nothing clearly and just sat back, took their last pay cheques and watched the club consume itself from within. Wankers the lot of them - Crouch included. The British players literally were beating Berhaino up at one point Of course they were. Sat back in their easy chairs, "calling it".
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Post by lordb on Oct 29, 2022 9:13:29 GMT
The British players literally were beating Berhaino up at one point Of course they were. Sat back in their easy chairs, "calling it". They 100% did Fletcher, Adam and Shawcross However the complete lack of action by the manager rendered anything the players did meaningless Hughes was brilliant but has a fatal flaw re discipline Pretty much any other Stoke manager I can think of, maybe Mills was similar, would have dealt with the issues better/miles better
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 29, 2022 9:33:11 GMT
Of course they were. Sat back in their easy chairs, "calling it". They 100% did Fletcher, Adam and Shawcross However the complete lack of action by the manager rendered anything the players did meaningless Hughes was brilliant but has a fatal flaw re discipline Pretty much any other Stoke manager I can think of, maybe Mills was similar, would have dealt with the issues better/miles better And from what I’ve been told almost everyone at the club knew that mentally Hughes had checked out after the Everton job interest. He thought he had it and was gutted when he didn’t get it. I think it’s when they went for Koeman? And that was pretty obvious with performance that season. But the people that matter didn’t see it.
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Post by biglad180 on Nov 2, 2022 14:42:44 GMT
Choupo scored a belter again for bayern again last night,can we get him back,
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Post by liathroid on Nov 2, 2022 21:43:35 GMT
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Post by FullerMagic on Nov 7, 2022 19:03:21 GMT
Man Utd want him, but Bayern aren't going to let him go. You've got to laugh
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Post by PotterLog on Nov 7, 2022 19:06:36 GMT
Man Utd want him, but Bayern aren't going to let him go. You've got to laugh To replace Ronaldo
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Post by Veritas on Nov 7, 2022 19:07:04 GMT
Man Utd want him, but Bayern aren't going to let him go. You've got to laugh 😲
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 7, 2022 19:09:02 GMT
Man Utd want him, but Bayern aren't going to let him go. You've got to laugh To replace Ronaldo He needs replacing tbf
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Nov 8, 2022 14:16:11 GMT
Apparently wanted by Man Utd in Jan, clearly paper talk nonsense but wow, this lads done well for himself.
PSG, a champions league finalist then Bayern Munich with talk of Man Utd.
I clearly didn't appreciate what I saw at Stoke, or his agent is one hell of an agent!
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Post by Billy the kid on Nov 8, 2022 14:20:28 GMT
Apparently wanted by Man Utd in Jan, clearly paper talk nonsense but wow, this lads done well for himself. PSG, a champions league finalist then Bayern Munich with talk of Man Utd. I clearly didn't appreciate what I saw at Stoke, or his agent is one hell of an agent! One hell of an agent.
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Post by spitthedog on Nov 8, 2022 14:47:31 GMT
I just don't think we saw at at Stoke
There are probably many reasons, some we may never know and it could be a combination of several.
amongst them, Arnie being an hard act to follow, a struggling, poor and discordant squad, a few persistent injuries he picked up while here, manager who had lost his way. He came over as someone who wasn't going to roll his sleeves up but maybe that's not his style and it was the prevailing culture.
Wrong time, wrong place?
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Post by dirtclod on Nov 8, 2022 14:52:27 GMT
Didn't he land here at the peak of our dysfunction? Seems I remember all that batch of players did was hasten our downfall. Some clearly could have been great, but I don't think we saw the best of them with all the chaos at the time and the chopping/changing. And who knows what was going on behind the scenes at the time?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2022 14:54:11 GMT
For a big chap he seemed to lack fitness and strength
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Post by pez75 on Nov 8, 2022 15:10:08 GMT
Scored about 8 goals in the Champions League against the likes of Barca etc, got medals for winning the German League, the French League, loads of domestic cups and the FIFA club world cup. I don't think he'll lose too much sleep over what a few Jacob Brown loving Stoke fans think about his work-rate.
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Post by PotterLog on Nov 8, 2022 15:21:04 GMT
Scored about 8 goals in the Champions League against the likes of Barca etc, got medals for winning the German League, the French League, loads of domestic cups and the FIFA club world cup. I don't think he'll lose too much sleep over what a few Jacob Brown loving Stoke fans think about his work-rate. Hard to argue with 😅 he was a bit of a weed though.
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Post by toppercorner on Nov 18, 2022 10:23:51 GMT
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Post by thepottypotter on Sept 23, 2023 23:01:20 GMT
Another amazing day for Choupo at Bayern. Scored his first of this season and won a penno!
I wish him all the best for the rest of his career.
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Post by sportsman on Sept 24, 2023 5:55:32 GMT
Soon as I saw guardian it stops me clicking.
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Sept 24, 2023 6:20:22 GMT
He's still such an odd one. He looked so, so average for us. Not a huge amount of pace, had a bit of quality but nothing special. Brushed off the ball quite easily, appeared lazy. Absolutely nothing to suggest the career he was about to have.
I think one of two things happened. Either he's one of those players who needs good players around him to play well and struggles when he's surrounded by lesser players who aren't on the same wavelength and the onus is on him to make something happen. Or at PSG and Bayern he found himself at clubs that aligned with the level that his ego says he should be playing at and consequently he was prepared to put the effort in. Rather than being at a stepping stone club like Stoke where the aim was always to get a foothold in the Premier League and move on to a bigger club at the first opportunity.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Sept 24, 2023 6:26:14 GMT
He's still such an odd one. He looked so, so average for us. Not a huge amount of pace, had a bit of quality but nothing special. Brushed off the ball quite easily, appeared lazy. Absolutely nothing to suggest the career he was about to have. I think one of two things happened. Either he's one of those players who needs good players around him to play well and struggles when he's surrounded by lesser players who aren't on the same wavelength and the onus is on him to make something happen. Or at PSG and Bayern he found himself at clubs that aligned with the level that his ego says he should be playing at and consequently he was prepared to put the effort in. Rather than being at a stepping stone club like Stoke where the aim was always to get a foothold in the Premier League and move on to a bigger club at the first opportunity. In all fairness to him I didn't think he was bad at all for us when he played. It was more the players around him who went to shit.
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Post by jokker on Sept 24, 2023 6:40:12 GMT
Choupo scored a belter again for bayern again last night,can we get him back, He tends to go on free transfers, so yes we could get him back, but it would require an interest for him to come, and there is none, he essentially doesn't even remember that he was here once, and then there's the wages, which are anything but small.
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Post by TinkerT on Sept 24, 2023 6:43:38 GMT
If ever there was a case of its not what you know its who you know, its this bloke. He's got the best agent in the world. You always get the biggest clubs signing shit players like him, just that he's had injuries or they've sold best players and he's got games.
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Post by st3mark on Sept 24, 2023 6:57:11 GMT
He's still such an odd one. He looked so, so average for us. Not a huge amount of pace, had a bit of quality but nothing special. Brushed off the ball quite easily, appeared lazy. Absolutely nothing to suggest the career he was about to have. I think one of two things happened. Either he's one of those players who needs good players around him to play well and struggles when he's surrounded by lesser players who aren't on the same wavelength and the onus is on him to make something happen. Or at PSG and Bayern he found himself at clubs that aligned with the level that his ego says he should be playing at and consequently he was prepared to put the effort in. Rather than being at a stepping stone club like Stoke where the aim was always to get a foothold in the Premier League and move on to a bigger club at the first opportunity. In all fairness to him I didn't think he was bad at all for us when he played. It was more the players around him who went to shit. I thought he was mostly garbage. Other than the game against united even if I close my eyes tightly and sit and think quietly I can't remember any game he played well in. Maybe it's just me trying to block that season out.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Sept 24, 2023 7:09:06 GMT
In all fairness to him I didn't think he was bad at all for us when he played. It was more the players around him who went to shit. I thought he was mostly garbage. Other than the game against united even if I close my eyes tightly and sit and think quietly I can't remember any game he played well in. Maybe it's just me trying to block that season out. He wasn't brilliant mate far from it but I didn't think he was bad when he played for us imo. I don't blame you mate I think most of us try to block that season out to be fair 😢
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Post by roylandstoke on Sept 24, 2023 7:11:38 GMT
He was decent when fit and used properly.
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 24, 2023 7:45:14 GMT
I also think he did fairly well for us when he was here, but he was compared to Arnie who had reached a level where he easily should have walked into any team in the league. Unfortunately only West Ham saw this, but he really deserved to play for one of the biggest clubs in the country when he left us.
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