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Post by Old School Stokie on Mar 9, 2021 20:18:47 GMT
What goes around c9mes around - if they don’t make the top two then perhaps in the playoffs they won’t be so penalty lucky - we can but hope that cheats never prosper, but let’s face it poor poor referring when they are not accountable. They should have to watch such incidents with their senior peers and give explanations with all transparent. Won’t happen though
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Mar 9, 2021 20:18:52 GMT
Personally don't think there was any connection myself!!! Seems the Swans have found themselves a new way of winning games!!! I’d like to see a close up of it, looks like a penalty to me first glance but hard to tell conclusively..... It's not an easy one to see Prestwich, I'll grant ya that..... I've tried watching it as blown up as I possibly can (on me phone 😏), and although there's no close up on that vid, or in slow motion, I've tried to really study it to the best I can!!! I'm just not convinced he took the player, at the very most it's like.... 98% ball 2% player Possibly as little as a stud catching his ankle as the Blackburn player clears it!!!
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 9, 2021 20:44:07 GMT
Did the keeper dive the wrong way?
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Post by stokiejoeofalsager on Mar 9, 2021 20:49:40 GMT
I’d like to see a close up of it, looks like a penalty to me first glance but hard to tell conclusively..... It's not an easy one to see Prestwich, I'll grant ya that..... I've tried watching it as blown up as I possibly can (on me phone 😏), and although there's no close up on that vid, or in slow motion, I've tried to really study it to the best I can!!! I'm just not convinced he took the player, at the very most it's like.... 98% ball 2% player Possibly as little as a stud catching his ankle as the Blackburn player clears it!!! That’s how I see it. It’s a brush at most. He was already collapsing at that point too.
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Post by femark on Mar 9, 2021 20:57:58 GMT
The ref couldn’t wait to give it...again
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Post by pottersrule on Mar 9, 2021 21:14:46 GMT
It's not an easy one to see Prestwich, I'll grant ya that..... I've tried watching it as blown up as I possibly can (on me phone 😏), and although there's no close up on that vid, or in slow motion, I've tried to really study it to the best I can!!! I'm just not convinced he took the player, at the very most it's like.... 98% ball 2% player Possibly as little as a stud catching his ankle as the Blackburn player clears it!!! That’s how I see it. It’s a brush at most. He was already collapsing at that point too. Also he had passed the ball before any contact was made and the Swansea player blazed it over.
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Post by Northy on Mar 9, 2021 21:19:04 GMT
3 pens in three games??? They know how to con refs! Its 4 in 4 I think
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 9, 2021 21:23:24 GMT
That is not a clear penalty at all. Was there any contact? if so it was definitely after the ball had gone.
Is all contact between a defender and attacker in the penalty area a penalty kick then?...even when it does not have any impact on play?
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Post by Robo10 on Mar 9, 2021 21:32:28 GMT
Its an awkward one this
I gamefully backed them (EW) at 20/1 before the season started, only a fiver, so despite my rage and anger last week, they can keep getting them now for me!
My EW on Stoke at 18/1 however was just throwing money down a drain! (Again)
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Post by metalhead on Mar 9, 2021 21:37:03 GMT
You start to wonder don't you, and it seems like so is the general public. Three very very poor penalties on the bounce and it appears Swansea have carved a niche for getting results when they don't deserve them. You've either got referees consistently being conned by a team of utter cheats, or cheeky Steve and his old man have got something going on behind closed doors. I suspect it's probably the first of those two options, but you simply cannot rule out the second at this point.
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Post by lordb on Mar 9, 2021 21:51:07 GMT
Can only think of two last minute penalties for Stoke One we scored v PNE at the Brit off the ball incident The other when Berahino twatted the bar v Blackburn that would have been an equaliser
Any others?
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Post by lancashirelad on Mar 9, 2021 22:29:56 GMT
Mowbray post match interview says he did not think it was penalty and if a crowd there it would not have been given as the scream the Swansea player made would not have been heard. Modern day football.
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Post by lancashirelad on Mar 9, 2021 22:34:05 GMT
Can only think of two last minute penalties for Stoke One we scored v PNE at the Brit off the ball incident The other when Berahino twatted the bar v Blackburn that would have been an equaliser Any others? Berahino's was not that late around mid 80s minutes. Otherwise i cannot think of a last kick of match penalty we have had in decades.
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Post by onionman on Mar 9, 2021 23:26:09 GMT
Can only think of two last minute penalties for Stoke One we scored v PNE at the Brit off the ball incident The other when Berahino twatted the bar v Blackburn that would have been an equaliser Any others? Rikki Dadason at Tranmere? Arnie at Everton?
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Post by theoptimist on Mar 9, 2021 23:55:19 GMT
Can only think of two last minute penalties for Stoke One we scored v PNE at the Brit off the ball incident The other when Berahino twatted the bar v Blackburn that would have been an equaliser Any others? These days the last 20 mins are usually exclusively played out around our penalty box.
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Post by bgreen13 on Mar 10, 2021 6:38:11 GMT
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Post by emmbrook1956 on Mar 10, 2021 10:12:00 GMT
3 pens in three games??? They know how to con refs! Its 4 in 4 I think If 4 in 4 I think that Wenger must have gone to the Liberty Stadium and given all of those players lessons on how to dive.
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Post by emmbrook1956 on Mar 10, 2021 10:13:58 GMT
Can only think of two last minute penalties for Stoke One we scored v PNE at the Brit off the ball incident The other when Berahino twatted the bar v Blackburn that would have been an equaliser Any others? When Charlie had a penalty parried against Brighton and then Dunk flattened him from behind as he was about to put the rebound into the net?
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Post by Northy on Mar 10, 2021 11:22:17 GMT
If 4 in 4 I think that Wenger must have gone to the Liberty Stadium and given all of those players lessons on how to dive. 3 dodgy pens in 3 games in March, plus 1 that was handball in the last game in February, although they lost that game to Bristol City
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Post by nottsover60 on Mar 10, 2021 12:00:30 GMT
My question in this situation is how likely was the Swansea player who got the penalty to score from his position? Not at all? So he's going to be looking for a penalty (which I've said before only half in jest that Swansea must include how to get penalties in their training). Secondly I'd look at where the ball went. In this case exactly where the player would have put it himself, to a teammate who had an unimpeded shot which went over so the challenge itself didn't alter the outcome. From that situation Swansea get a free shot at goal and gain a point. I know Sky want goals so it's become easier to get a penalty because of rule changes but ultimately these penalties are going to be the difference between Swansea and Watford or Brentford getting millions of pounds. Referees have just added 5 points to Swansea's total over 3 matches. Surely it's more important for the integrity of the game and referees that they err on the side of caution with these important decisions.
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Post by butlerstreetbertie on Mar 10, 2021 12:34:54 GMT
Last minute penalty at Barnsley on Boxing Day in promotion season. Liam scored and gained us a point, no-one then or since knows why it was given, our players or fans albeit at the opposite end didn't appeal.
As for reviewing decisions I know that pre pandemic Premier refs met each week and reviewed all debatable decisions that changed the outcome. As an example the Affelay sending off v West Brom. Understand the overriding view was that he should have treated both players identically, caution for both.
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Post by crowey on Mar 10, 2021 12:43:08 GMT
My question in this situation is how likely was the Swansea player who got the penalty to score from his position? Not at all? So he's going to be looking for a penalty (which I've said before only half in jest that Swansea must include how to get penalties in their training). Secondly I'd look at where the ball went. In this case exactly where the player would have put it himself, to a teammate who had an unimpeded shot which went over so the challenge itself didn't alter the outcome. From that situation Swansea get a free shot at goal and gain a point. I know Sky want goals so it's become easier to get a penalty because of rule changes but ultimately these penalties are going to be the difference between Swansea and Watford or Brentford getting millions of pounds. Referees have just added 5 points to Swansea's total over 3 matches. Surely it's more important for the integrity of the game and referees that they err on the side of caution with these important decisions. ... the problem is that the powers that be tell them to give these ridiculous decisions
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Post by march4 on Mar 10, 2021 12:45:15 GMT
What was that penalty given for?
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Post by thevoid on Mar 10, 2021 13:50:32 GMT
Something dodgy going on here.
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Post by Veritas on Mar 10, 2021 13:57:38 GMT
My question in this situation is how likely was the Swansea player who got the penalty to score from his position? Not at all? So he's going to be looking for a penalty (which I've said before only half in jest that Swansea must include how to get penalties in their training). Secondly I'd look at where the ball went. In this case exactly where the player would have put it himself, to a teammate who had an unimpeded shot which went over so the challenge itself didn't alter the outcome. From that situation Swansea get a free shot at goal and gain a point. I know Sky want goals so it's become easier to get a penalty because of rule changes but ultimately these penalties are going to be the difference between Swansea and Watford or Brentford getting millions of pounds. Referees have just added 5 points to Swansea's total over 3 matches. Surely it's more important for the integrity of the game and referees that they err on the side of caution with these important decisions. ... the problem is that the powers that be tell them to give these ridiculous decisions These ridiculous powers! What to make judgement calls against the rules? They may have been bad calls or even very bad calls but what would you have instead,never give a penalty except for a two footed head high challenge?
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Post by tinofspam on Mar 10, 2021 14:19:05 GMT
I’ve heard this is a new ‘winner stays on’ trend that’s happening in football with penalties, whenever Swansea fail to score one someone else will get it and so on. Fingers crossed it’s us🤞
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Post by nottsover60 on Mar 10, 2021 14:24:50 GMT
... the problem is that the powers that be tell them to give these ridiculous decisions These ridiculous powers! What to make judgement calls against the rules? They may have been bad calls or even very bad calls but what would you have instead,never give a penalty except for a two footed head high challenge? No, I'd change it to penalty for denying a goal scoring opportunity or serious foul play or violent behaviour. The problem with the current situation is that a player running away from goal on the edge of the area who gets the slightest touch or sees a leg to fall over is getting a free shot at goal with the odds stacked in his favour. That can't be right and encourages players to cheat.
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Post by lordb on Mar 10, 2021 14:49:59 GMT
Can only think of two last minute penalties for Stoke One we scored v PNE at the Brit off the ball incident The other when Berahino twatted the bar v Blackburn that would have been an equaliser Any others? Berahino's was not that late around mid 80s minutes. Otherwise i cannot think of a last kick of match penalty we have had in decades. had to look it up www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45529547injury time we were 3.0 down until 79 minutes
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Post by lordb on Mar 10, 2021 14:50:35 GMT
Can only think of two last minute penalties for Stoke One we scored v PNE at the Brit off the ball incident The other when Berahino twatted the bar v Blackburn that would have been an equaliser Any others? Rikki Dadason at Tranmere? Arnie at Everton? how could I forget them?
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Post by lordb on Mar 10, 2021 14:52:10 GMT
Can only think of two last minute penalties for Stoke One we scored v PNE at the Brit off the ball incident The other when Berahino twatted the bar v Blackburn that would have been an equaliser Any others? When Charlie had a penalty parried against Brighton and then Dunk flattened him from behind as he was about to put the rebound into the net? had to check that one as well, you are right it was at the death
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