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Post by redphizzer on Mar 3, 2021 22:53:42 GMT
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Post by citynickscfc on Mar 3, 2021 23:07:30 GMT
The photo is of the incident in the article? The Swansea player clearly has ahold of the shirt, and as far as I am aware pulling oppositions shirts is an offense is it not?
We too have had some divers, but tonight was a step further, it was entirely simulation and I would argue no contact
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Post by redphizzer on Mar 3, 2021 23:12:20 GMT
Completely agree with you.
I'm just pointing out that MoN has reacted to the incident with more dignity than Monks did in 2014.
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Post by wingy11 on Mar 3, 2021 23:15:12 GMT
Swans deserved the win, definitely wasn’t a pen, but we were shocking again, we were better last season this team is way weaker
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Post by thevoid on Mar 3, 2021 23:26:42 GMT
Swansea deserved to win, and the penalty balanced out the one we won against them in 2014.
You make your own luck. I guess MON hasn't got the luck of the Irish
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Post by Olgrligm on Mar 3, 2021 23:26:50 GMT
I have no comprehension whatsoever of how somebody can watch that incident tonight, with twelve seconds left, and come to the conclusion that diving is no worse than jumping unfairly for a header or a shirt pull. It's about as low as you can get in football without biting your opponents or doing a Keane/Haaland tackle.
As I keep saying, television and VAR make it easy to eradicate diving. Naughton could now be suspended for the rest of the season, which would serve him right. It wouldn't take long for it to stop.
I think it would be interesting to bring an 'appeal' dimension into VAR. Except for obvious stonewallers, the referee gives benefit of doubt to defenders every time. The attacker can appeal for a VAR review but if they are found to have dived, a penalty is given to the opposition.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 3, 2021 23:28:15 GMT
Swansea deserved to win, and the penalty balanced out the one we won against them in 2014. You make your own luck. I guess MON hasn't got the luck of the Irish Swansea deserved to win🤣🤣🤣They never had a kick for half an hour in the 2nd half |
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Post by BraveSirRobin on Mar 3, 2021 23:41:57 GMT
Swans deserved the win, definitely wasn’t a pen, but we were shocking again, we were better last season this team is way weaker Go on.. explain how they deserved the win. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 4, 2021 1:03:56 GMT
In real time I thought it was a peno tbh. I thought I saw Clarke grab him. He clearly didn’t and I need my eyes testing and then replacing  |
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 4, 2021 3:07:01 GMT
In real time I thought it was a peno tbh. I thought I saw Clarke grab him. He clearly didn’t and I need my eyes testing and then replacing Most might say we already know that mate  |
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Post by bertieb on Mar 4, 2021 5:50:13 GMT
Never mind lads, these things even themselves out over a season apparently, the fucker couldn't wait to blow his whistle. |
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Post by Roger Everyone on Mar 4, 2021 5:59:01 GMT
In real time I thought it was a peno tbh. I thought I saw Clarke grab him. He clearly didn’t and I need my eyes testing and then replacing My sight is good and in real time it did look like a penalty, but with the aid of the replay it quite clearly was not. Overall I think we were unlucky, hitting the post twice on the night. |
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Post by robwahlmann on Mar 4, 2021 6:05:41 GMT
You could see the ref was uncertain when he chose to blow for the penalty so at least he could have a conversation with the linesman! Shafted again, I'm so fed up by all these wrong decisions! This season has been a nightmare when it comes to bad decisions!  |
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Post by Goonie on Mar 4, 2021 6:26:44 GMT
I wonder what the decision would have been with VAR?
Against a top 6 side in the Prem it'd still have been a penalty!
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Post by lawrieleslie on Mar 4, 2021 10:48:36 GMT
Moses was accused of being a cheat by John Hartson on motd. But footage from another angle clearly showed Rangel holding Moses by his shirt blindsiding the ref. After the game Moses said that Rangel had been doing it all game but the ref never spotted it so he took into his own hands to fall to the ground and win the penalty. Hartson later publicly apologised to Moses for calling him as a cheat. Was Moses action justified?.....I think so. Nothing like the blatant cheating last night in my opinion. |
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Post by Squeekster on Mar 4, 2021 13:50:17 GMT
In real time I thought it was a peno tbh. I thought I saw Clarke grab him. He clearly didn’t and I need my eyes testing and then replacing In real time I thought the exact opposite when he did eventually point to the spot(I think he changed his mind ) I shouted like fook and the dog shit it's self and ran off. |
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Post by onionman on Mar 4, 2021 14:16:16 GMT
Moses was accused of being a cheat by John Hartson on motd. But footage from another angle clearly showed Rangel holding Moses by his shirt blindsiding the ref. After the game Moses said that Rangel had been doing it all game but the ref never spotted it so he took into his own hands to fall to the ground and win the penalty. Hartson later publicly apologised to Moses for calling him as a cheat. Was Moses action justified?.....I think so. Nothing like the blatant cheating last night in my opinion. Also, didn't Swansea get a penalty that same game after Bony threw himself to the ground like someone being eaten by a zombie in 28 Days Later after Shawcross tugged his shirt? |
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Post by 1982stokie on Mar 4, 2021 16:14:50 GMT
Out of interest is there any other sports where pundits and commentators try to justify blatant cheating, I can’t think of any
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Post by lordb on Mar 4, 2021 16:23:46 GMT
In real time I thought it was a peno tbh. I thought I saw Clarke grab him. He clearly didn’t and I need my eyes testing and then replacing Me too clear pen...then saw replays deffo not a pen. Not sure if it was a dive or if he tripped over his own feet I thought the ref had a good game but this is what we will remember Have absolutely no understanding how anyone can way that game and stare Swansea deserved their win. |
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Post by LankyPotter on Mar 4, 2021 16:26:03 GMT
Swansea deserved to win, and the penalty balanced out the one we won against them in 2014. You make your own luck. I guess MON hasn't got the luck of the Irish Weasel |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 4, 2021 16:32:08 GMT
In real time I thought it was a peno tbh. I thought I saw Clarke grab him. He clearly didn’t and I need my eyes testing and then replacing Me too clear pen...then saw replays deffo not a pen. Not sure if it was a dive or if he tripped over his own feet I thought the ref had a good game but this is what we will remember Have absolutely no understanding how anyone can way that game and stare Swansea deserved their win. No nor me. I just enjoyed the game bar the obvious tbh! |
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Mar 4, 2021 17:18:15 GMT
Under a change brought in 3 years ago, the FA can now charge a player with misconduct for successful deception of a match official for simulation which results in a penalty or a red card. Stoke City, or indeed anyone reading this, could refer it to the FA to ask them to look at last night's incident. Even if the player is found guilty it won't of course get us our point back, but it will only be eliminated from the game if players are punished. We were the victims last night but I think we have to be careful about self-deception if we think that no Stoke player has ever done or would ever do that. In fact, ironically, I think my namesake has a tendency to go down very easily and gain free kicks, and we saw that last night, although not unfortunately in their penalty area !
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Post by Squeekster on Mar 4, 2021 17:47:19 GMT
Out of interest is there any other sports where pundits and commentators try to justify blatant cheating, I can’t think of any It always makes me laugh when Alan Shearer on MOTD says the player has a right to go down in the area for penalty when you 100% know if that had been given against him he'd of gone apeshit. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 4, 2021 18:12:08 GMT
This from the Refs forum🙄Football is finished
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Post by wakeypotter on Mar 4, 2021 19:03:23 GMT
In real time I thought it was a peno tbh. I thought I saw Clarke grab him. He clearly didn’t and I need my eyes testing and then replacing My sight is good and in real time it did look like a penalty, but with the aid of the replay it quite clearly was not. Overall I think we were unlucky, hitting the post twice on the night. My eye sight is ok too and I can tell you even in real-time I could tell it wasn’t a pen. I thought the ref was going to blow the whistle for a free kick to us and book that diving cheat |
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Post by onepara on Mar 4, 2021 19:13:38 GMT
We don't need VAR in the Championship. All you need is for the ref to review the Sky footage, like they do with VAR. They showed about 5 different angles immediately after the dive. It was obvious. Just look how the hands are thrust forwards, to emphasise it. It's a dead giveaway.
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 4, 2021 19:18:18 GMT
This from the Refs forum🙄Football is finished That is so utterly depressing. These guys are complete idiots. That photo shows nothing to suggest Clarke has tripped the Swansea player. That is ridiculous conclusion to come from a still photo. these freeze frames do not represent what happens in realtime, when are they going to realise this? The Swansea is backing into the Stoke to make contact, he doesn't succeed so just falls to the ground. There was no contact that hindered the Swansea, even there was it was instigated by the Swansea player, its like the sending off of Luiz for Arsenal, complete nonsense If you are going to have penalties for contact in the area then every corner results in a penalty. I'm still fuming tbh...need to let go now...  |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 4, 2021 19:21:49 GMT
This from the Refs forum🙄Football is finished That is so utterly depressing. These guys are complete idiots. That photo shows nothing to suggest Clarke has tripped the Swansea player. That is ridiculous conclusion to come from a still photo. these freeze frames do not represent what happens in realtime, when are they going to realise this? The Swansea is backing into the Stoke to make contact, he doesn't succeed so just falls to the ground. There was no contact that hindered the Swansea, even there was it was instigated by the Swansea player, its like the sending off of Luiz for Arsenal, complete nonsense If you are going to have penalties for contact in the area then every corner results in a penalty. I'm still fuming tbh...need to let go now... Same here mate I can’t get it out of my head |
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Post by onepara on Mar 4, 2021 19:23:11 GMT
I suppose anyone can post on that Refs forum. So anything can be claimed to have happened.
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Post by marylandstoke on Mar 4, 2021 19:44:51 GMT
This from the Refs forum🙄Football is finished There was, I thought I saw, another element which I believe can just about be made out in the first pic. The attacking player, as he gets along side, has a big handful of our boys shorts. He’s kind of holding himself up and when he loses grip that’s when he goes down. |
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