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Post by somersetpotter on Mar 4, 2021 13:40:21 GMT
I could understand the levels of frustration if we were in this position with a full squad available to us, but we haven't and haven't had for a number of months. We could and should be higher up in the table but, like last night, MON can't go and put the ball in the net himself. On another night that ends up 3-1 in our favour quite easily. Last night we were without: Campbell McClean Clucas Fox Even if just McClean and Clucas on the bench, it gives us two more subs to make. Some of the players in the squad at the minute (TOB etc) are purely there to make up the numbers. Yes, it's good to see some youngsters on there but that's out of desperation. Last night we got fucked over by a referee making an atrocious decision and if we draw 1-1 we're all saying "well done". Collins would have knocked in the chance Chester got as well..
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Post by bgreen13 on Mar 4, 2021 13:41:42 GMT
Give me strength. How would Jones have got rid of the leeches who, due to the contracts we've given out, are clinging on for grim death? Name a good mon signing....... Fox Fletcher Clarke Norrington Davies
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Post by zerps on Mar 4, 2021 13:43:51 GMT
Name a good mon signing....... Fox Fletcher Clarke Norrington Davies We’re fucked then
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 4, 2021 13:44:46 GMT
Fox Fletcher Clarke Norrington Davies We’re fucked then O’Neill has been shopping at Lidl,Aldi,B & M and Home Bargains compared to his predecessors
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Post by zerps on Mar 4, 2021 13:47:58 GMT
O’Neill has been shopping at Lidl,Aldi,B & M and Home Bargains compared to his predecessors We’ve still got an account with Bucknall dogs home though
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Post by thevoid on Mar 4, 2021 13:48:58 GMT
O’Neill has been shopping at Lidl,Aldi,B & M and Home Bargains compared to his predecessors Shame he wasted the majority of his spending money on some rubbish from 'Middle of Lidl' then.
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Post by werrington on Mar 4, 2021 13:50:10 GMT
O’Neill has been shopping at Lidl,Aldi,B & M and Home Bargains compared to his predecessors The whole Barnsley squad cost £1.25m
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 4, 2021 13:51:24 GMT
O’Neill has been shopping at Lidl,Aldi,B & M and Home Bargains compared to his predecessors The whole Barnsley squad cost £1.25m Then they have a better scouting system than us
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Post by zerps on Mar 4, 2021 13:53:33 GMT
The whole Barnsley squad cost £1.25m Then they have a better scouting system than us Ya think?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 4, 2021 13:57:23 GMT
Then they have a better scouting system than us Ya think? They’ve taken risks going down the foreign route mixed in with some good British talent like Mowatt,Styles and Woodrow.Previous and present foreign managers obviously know that market
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Post by theonlooker on Mar 4, 2021 13:59:08 GMT
O’Neill has been shopping at Lidl,Aldi,B & M and Home Bargains compared to his predecessors The whole Barnsley squad cost £1.25m That's wrong, it is more likely just over 4M. Your thought process behind it is spot on though.
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Post by moon on Mar 4, 2021 14:02:45 GMT
I could understand the levels of frustration if we were in this position with a full squad available to us, but we haven't and haven't had for a number of months. We could and should be higher up in the table but, like last night, MON can't go and put the ball in the net himself. On another night that ends up 3-1 in our favour quite easily. Last night we were without: Campbell McClean Clucas Fox Even if just McClean and Clucas on the bench, it gives us two more subs to make. Some of the players in the squad at the minute (TOB etc) are purely there to make up the numbers. Yes, it's good to see some youngsters on there but that's out of desperation. Last night we got fucked over by a referee making an atrocious decision and if we draw 1-1 we're all saying "well done". I have no complaints about last night, we played well, actually went for the win rather than playing for the draw. We had our chances and should've scored more, instead we got screwed over by a bad decision yet again.
This season is over in terms of any playoff ambitions, we had too many injuries and dropped too many points playing negative football after Tyrese got injured. We have improved in recent weeks though and we can still finish strong and develop a few of the younger / fringe players to put us in a decent place for next season.
For me there is absolutely nothing to be gained by changing manager yet again and there is no war chest for any new manager to spend anyway. I have full confidence in MON, he can be frustrating at times but we should stick with him for the long term and I think he can really turn things around here. It's not a 1-2 year job, it's a 3-5 year job at a minimum to turn this club around and there is no point in rushing it - we are buying young players with lots of potential and we need to give MON time to develop them and to build a squad capable of challenging at the top of this league.
For the record, I think we'll make the playoffs next season, we're still a long way from the likes of Norwich, but with a few additions we can definitely compete for a top 6 spot. I'm disappointed with the way this season has gone given a really positive start but I'm still optimistic about the longer term future with MON at the helm.
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 4, 2021 14:03:17 GMT
www.mlssoccer.com/post/2021/02/02/meet-ex-dc-united-technical-director-who-brought-daryl-dike-barnsleyBarnsley have been going down this data-driven moneyball road for 4 years, buying and selling to a plan, with no wastage on their wage bill and very different expectations We've only just started. They're owned by the same, rich owners as Nice, Thun and Ostende - and it seems to be all about data. Even the original moneyball bloke, Billy Beane is involved. Bit unfair to judge us entirely against them though. We have started on the same path because MON recognised we needed to - but we're behind the 8-ball a bit, and they do it better than most
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Post by zerps on Mar 4, 2021 14:05:24 GMT
www.mlssoccer.com/post/2021/02/02/meet-ex-dc-united-technical-director-who-brought-daryl-dike-barnsleyBarnsley have been going down this data-driven moneyball road for 4 years, buying and selling to a plan, with no wastage on their wage bill We've only just started. They're owned by the same, rich owners as Nice, Thun and Ostende - and it seems to be all about data. Even the original moneyball bloke, Billy Beane is involved. Bit unfair to judge us entirely against them though. We have started on the same path because MON recognised we needed to - but we're behind the 8-ball a bit, and they do it better than most It feels like we’ve been completely left behind on and off the pitch.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 4, 2021 14:07:26 GMT
www.mlssoccer.com/post/2021/02/02/meet-ex-dc-united-technical-director-who-brought-daryl-dike-barnsleyBarnsley have been going down this data-driven moneyball thing for 4 years. We've only just started. They're owned by the same, rich owners as Nice, Thun and Ostende - and it seems to be all about data. Even the original moneyball bloke, Billy Beane is involved. Bit unfair to judge us entirely against them though. We have started on the same path because MON recognised we needed to - but we're behind the 8-ball a bit, and they do it better than most I still find it bizarre that our owners run a highly successful multi billion pound company that relies on cutting edge technology/algorithms yet we've never dabbled in the whole "moneyball" concept, you'd think we would be able to lead the way but the SCFC arm of the business seems to be 20 years behind.......
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Post by chigstoke on Mar 4, 2021 14:23:40 GMT
www.mlssoccer.com/post/2021/02/02/meet-ex-dc-united-technical-director-who-brought-daryl-dike-barnsleyBarnsley have been going down this data-driven moneyball road for 4 years, buying and selling to a plan, with no wastage on their wage bill and very different expectations We've only just started. They're owned by the same, rich owners as Nice, Thun and Ostende - and it seems to be all about data. Even the original moneyball bloke, Billy Beane is involved. Bit unfair to judge us entirely against them though. We have started on the same path because MON recognised we needed to - but we're behind the 8-ball a bit, and they do it better than most Of all that you posted, Billy Beane is what I’m picking out, what a name
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Post by heworksardtho on Mar 4, 2021 16:25:32 GMT
Again Old Stokie with the voice of reason. My only concern would be that if Celtic do come hunting, the massive spectre of FFP might push him towards it..It's a real mess and the summer could be even messier.. Midfield needs a complete revamp, I really don't want to see Mikel hang around, neither Allen at a push.. Id drive him up myself once lockdown is over , the football is dire , it’s a results business and ppl can make all the excuses in the world , hopefully he will go Celtic or he’s sacked at the end of the season
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Post by heworksardtho on Mar 4, 2021 16:26:37 GMT
O’Neill has been shopping at Lidl,Aldi,B & M and Home Bargains compared to his predecessors The whole Barnsley squad cost £1.25m And on a lot less money than our lot
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Post by franklin on Mar 4, 2021 16:46:55 GMT
www.mlssoccer.com/post/2021/02/02/meet-ex-dc-united-technical-director-who-brought-daryl-dike-barnsleyBarnsley have been going down this data-driven moneyball road for 4 years, buying and selling to a plan, with no wastage on their wage bill and very different expectations We've only just started. They're owned by the same, rich owners as Nice, Thun and Ostende - and it seems to be all about data. Even the original moneyball bloke, Billy Beane is involved. Bit unfair to judge us entirely against them though. We have started on the same path because MON recognised we needed to - but we're behind the 8-ball a bit, and they do it better than most Of all that you posted, Billy Beane is what I’m picking out, what a name Its a good movie if you've not seen it.
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Post by christhepotter on Mar 4, 2021 17:21:08 GMT
Name a good mon signing....... Fox Fletcher Clarke Norrington Davies Fox - he’s been ok but nothing more (hence bringing in ND) Fletcher - either injured or playing coming back from injury ( at his age that won’t change ) Clarke - not really shone , glimpses but that’s it ND- his hot headiness is troubling , makes lots of mistakes All the others are poor as well
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Post by citynickscfc on Mar 4, 2021 17:30:41 GMT
The entire season has been shit. We started off winning games in which we were relatively lucky to win, playing poorly and winning is a good sign. But then when things don't change and we go on the run we are now, 5 in 25 something, 3 in 20. It's shit and there's no sign of progress, none at all.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 4, 2021 17:37:56 GMT
The whole Barnsley squad cost £1.25m Then they have a better scouting system than us No shit Sherlock who hasn't ?
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Post by bgreen13 on Mar 4, 2021 17:39:51 GMT
Fox Fletcher Clarke Norrington Davies Fox - he’s been ok but nothing more (hence bringing in ND) Fletcher - either injured or playing coming back from injury ( at his age that won’t change ) Clarke - not really shone , glimpses but that’s it ND- his hot headiness is troubling , makes lots of mistakes All the others are poor as well Yeah....
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Post by Miles Offside on Mar 4, 2021 17:47:05 GMT
I really can’t get my head around all the hatred towards MON, and fans calling for his head. We’ve played very well tonight against a strong Swansea side who if they win their games in hand are in the top 2. We’ve hit the post twice, and should of won the game if we took our chances, and didn’t have an awful decision given against us last minute. What do some of you want, More changes? more instability? We clearly haven’t got the attacking players we need given the injury to Ty. Who’s fault is that? We CAN NOT sign players we need due to FFP, and you need to get used to it. Regardless of who the manager is that isn’t going to change!! I get the anger, but not to MON.. it’s our previous transfer team, and Scholes you should be angry with. They’ve got us in this position, they’ve done this to our once very stable Premier League team. You should feel sympathy for MON to have to deal with the shite he’s been left to deal with. In MON I trust. The club backed its managers - Hughes after a successful three seasons / Lambert in the hope he could save us from relegation / Rowett and Jones to give them a fresh start. Imagine the uproar if they had refused to back their managers. But their signings were a disaster and cost the club over £100M in transfer fees, with the cost roughly doubling with the players' contracts. MON has been unlucky enough not only to be saddled with the dross left by his predecessors, but also being the only Stoke manager in well over a decade with next to no money to spend. That said, he needs to drop the negativity along with these crazy back 3/5 formations he keeps trying. It cost us again last night for their first goal.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 4, 2021 17:49:21 GMT
O’Neill has been shopping at Lidl,Aldi,B & M and Home Bargains compared to his predecessors The whole Barnsley squad cost £1.25m How much did we gift them for Lindsay and Brown £4m was it.
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Post by Squeekster on Mar 4, 2021 18:12:02 GMT
www.mlssoccer.com/post/2021/02/02/meet-ex-dc-united-technical-director-who-brought-daryl-dike-barnsleyBarnsley have been going down this data-driven moneyball road for 4 years, buying and selling to a plan, with no wastage on their wage bill and very different expectations We've only just started. They're owned by the same, rich owners as Nice, Thun and Ostende - and it seems to be all about data. Even the original moneyball bloke, Billy Beane is involved. Bit unfair to judge us entirely against them though. We have started on the same path because MON recognised we needed to - but we're behind the 8-ball a bit, and they do it better than most Yes and we are in the aftermath of relegation from the premier league where in a bid to not only stay but as some fans demanded to take the next step and we spent heavily on trying to do so ,sadly it didn't work so we are now saddled with debt from that and trying to make a quick return which we also spent big to try do, so we have to take stock and stream line. It won't happen overnight!
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Post by gingerninja on Mar 4, 2021 18:15:17 GMT
Sometime soon though, we must start looking closer at the foreign market, there will simply be too many clubs fishing in the same pool of talent..
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Post by nottsover60 on Mar 4, 2021 20:01:26 GMT
Sometime soon though, we must start looking closer at the foreign market, there will simply be too many clubs fishing in the same pool of talent.. Too late. I assume Brexit has put an end to the sort of European shopping Barnsley and Watford have been doing.
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Post by wearestoke80 on Mar 4, 2021 21:10:19 GMT
Name a good mon signing....... Fox Fletcher Clarke Norrington Davies An injury prone striker and a left back on loan. Genius.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2021 21:29:01 GMT
The whole Barnsley squad cost £1.25m How much did we gift them for Lindsay and Brown £4m was it. It's genius, really. Get us to pay big money (in relative terms) for a pair of players that look like they've never played the game before. Then invest that money to become better than us. <doffs cap>
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