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Post by chad on Mar 3, 2021 22:54:09 GMT
It’s a results business We aren’t getting results Likes been said. 3 wins in 20 A lot of clubs would have got rid He’s on borrowed time
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Post by J-Roar on Mar 3, 2021 22:54:12 GMT
Afraid it's shit to watch and right up there with going to the dentist. Just walked the dog and thought maybe should have gone down with Jones and come back up with a dynamic young squad and a 3rd autoglass than watch this crap. Give me strength. How would Jones have got rid of the leeches who, due to the contracts we've given out, are clinging on for grim death?
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Post by lordb on Mar 3, 2021 22:54:20 GMT
We didn't play very well, we had a decent spell in the second half, should have scored, but first half we looked so so predictable, laboured and lacking in any pace.. Apart from first twenty minutes when we repeatedly played early balls behind and were adopting high energy pressing?
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Post by thevoid on Mar 3, 2021 22:54:32 GMT
Due to our 10 years in the Prem the majority of fans on here think we have the god given right to pis# this league and out play everyone in every single game. Let’s just forget the fact Hughes, Rowett and Jones flashed millions up the wall on awful players and MON has been left to pick up the left overs. Absolute nonsense.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Mar 3, 2021 22:54:38 GMT
How many defeats? Most other managers would of lost them games. The sooner you realise what this club is the better, a MID table championship club. That’s not going change anytime soon with the shit he has been left to deal with. Bloated squad mostly of over payed crap, and not being able to spend or sell due to FFP. Most managers would have tried to win a few.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 3, 2021 22:54:39 GMT
There’s a lot on here now who I genuinely believe want this manager to fail now Surely that is the last thing the club needs. We want stability and progress. What we are getting is relegation form for an awful lot of games. MON will have to go at the end of the season if this doesn’t improve. We simply cannot afford to go down next season and I fear we will with MON at the helm. Grow up March FFS
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Post by Royal Donut on Mar 3, 2021 22:56:19 GMT
How many defeats? Most other managers would of lost them games. The sooner you realise what this club is the better, a MID table championship club. That’s not going change anytime soon with the shit he has been left to deal with. Bloated squad mostly of over payed crap, and not being able to spend or sell due to FFP. Eh? We can't sell due to FFP 🤔 Yep, it's great isn't it, you can't sell your assets, in fact a sale could be a loss(in the eyes of FFP)
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Post by 19notbeaten72 on Mar 3, 2021 22:56:32 GMT
I think we may even struggle to reach last seasons points total its that bad i honestly cannot see were the next win is coming from.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Mar 3, 2021 22:56:52 GMT
Due to our 10 years in the Prem the majority of fans on here think we have the god given right to pis# this league and out play everyone in every single game. Let’s just forget the fact Hughes, Rowett and Jones flashed millions up the wall on awful players and MON has been left to pick up the left overs. Its nothing to do with pissing the league, I want some positivity and there isn't any and in my opinion MON is adding to the negativity.
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Post by mcw on Mar 3, 2021 22:57:34 GMT
I really can’t get my head around all the hatred towards MON, and fans calling for his head. We’ve played very well tonight against a strong Swansea side who if they win their games in hand are in the top 2. We’ve hit the post twice, and should of won the game if we took our chances, and didn’t have an awful decision given against us last minute. What do some of you want, More changes? more instability? We clearly haven’t got the attacking players we need given the injury to Ty. Who’s fault is that? We CAN NOT sign players we need due to FFP, and you need to get used to it. Regardless of who the manager is that isn’t going to change!! I get the anger, but not to MON.. it’s our previous transfer team, and Scholes you should be angry with. They’ve got us in this position, they’ve done this to our once very stable Premier League team. You should feel sympathy for MON to have to deal with the shite he’s been left to deal with. In MON I trust. Focus all the anger in that cheating twat and the powder puff ref, not the team
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Post by BuzzB on Mar 3, 2021 22:58:03 GMT
Hands are tied, Rowett and the God botherer blew the budget. Yes he has added a few but is hamstrung in the quality due to those two. I admit he could be more front foot. You are bound to see 7 or 8 of the same players week in and week out and we are all armchair managers lets face it. The grass isn't always greener, see Lambert Rowett Jones, this is a long haul job not a quick fix, let him manage, he's had what 3 windows? Try 6 or 7 before judging, it will take a disaster of Hughes proportions for Coates Jr to get rid. Promotion this season was always too soon. Top 9 or so will be progress no matter how much it winds us all up, trouble is we have been spoiled for a decade, this is reality again.
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Post by fourfourtwo on Mar 3, 2021 22:58:13 GMT
Yes that’s right we can’t sell due to FFP. Are we going to get the money Scholes paid for the players? No, so then we can’t sell them due to FFP So we can keep them and lose more? I think you're having a moment Yes that’s why they are still at the club, and still will be until their contract runs out. The sooner you actually realise the position this club is in the better. We don’t just loan out 11 players for nothing, it’s because we actually can’t sell them due to FFP. And exactly the reason we still pay the majority of the wages of the players that are on loan. Due you think Luton are paying all of Inces wages?!
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Post by samwidge on Mar 3, 2021 22:58:26 GMT
I guess some people just really like wet knickers 🤷♂️
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Post by mcw on Mar 3, 2021 22:58:42 GMT
I really can’t get my head around all the hatred towards MON, and fans calling for his head. We’ve played very well tonight against a strong Swansea side who if they win their games in hand are in the top 2. We’ve hit the post twice, and should of won the game if we took our chances, and didn’t have an awful decision given against us last minute. What do some of you want, More changes? more instability? We clearly haven’t got the attacking players we need given the injury to Ty. Who’s fault is that? We CAN NOT sign players we need due to FFP, and you need to get used to it. Regardless of who the manager is that isn’t going to change!! I get the anger, but not to MON.. it’s our previous transfer team, and Scholes you should be angry with. They’ve got us in this position, they’ve done this to our once very stable Premier League team. You should feel sympathy for MON to have to deal with the shite he’s been left to deal with. In MON I trust. Focus all the anger in that cheating twat and the powder puff ref, not the team By that I mean I totally agree with your points🤣
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Post by scfcwebby on Mar 3, 2021 23:00:39 GMT
So we can keep them and lose more? I think you're having a moment Yes that’s why they are still at the club, and still will be until their contract runs out. The sooner you actually realise the position this club is in the better. We don’t just loan out 11 players for nothing, it’s because we actually can’t sell them due to FFP. And exactly the reason we still pay the majority of the wages of the players that are on loan. Due you think Luton are paying all of Inces wages?! We loaned them out because nobody wanted to fucking buy them... We are paying the majority of wages because saving £10k is better than nothing... To lose all of the wage of the bill would be better but nobody wanted to buy them Nothing to do with FFP
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Post by Royal Donut on Mar 3, 2021 23:01:27 GMT
It’s a results business We aren’t getting results Likes been said. 3 wins in 20 A lot of clubs would have got rid He’s on borrowed time No chance, our owners aren't like that.
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Post by viewfromthecrowsnest on Mar 3, 2021 23:01:37 GMT
Well let's see if I can manage a team in an SME type company team where half of them are overpaid and don't want the job, the only good ones are youth trainees and the honest ones are old and prone to sick days, while the star employee is on long-term sick leave. On top of that you have no real income for a year, a budget for the current year that is spent and auditors practically one indiscretion off your doorstep. Plus you have people who support your company constantly telling you that you are shit at what you do every week.
Thankless stuff.
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Post by clarkeda on Mar 3, 2021 23:02:06 GMT
Whilst I agree with the OP my patience is wearing thin now.
Mikel has been toss since his injury, whilst he was out Cousins was by far our best midfielder yet was dropped the moment Mikel returned. Disgraceful.
Clarke, Powell and Fletcher are our only footballers, the one touch interchanges at the start of the second half showed that. Play Clarke on the left from now on.
Nick Powell is a No10 and a fucking good one at that. Play him there and build the team around him.
Gunn isn’t as good as Davies or Bursik and isn’t our player. Get rid.
It’s becoming glaringly obvious that the team he needs to play is below, so he better start playing it.
Davies Smith Souttar Chester/batth RND cousins clucas Brown Powell Clarke Fletcher.
Chester or batth I don’t really care. Should be Collins when fit. Clucas when fit, or Thompson, I personally don’t rate allen. Mikel can cover cousins. Brown well because there isn’t anyone else.
Drop the 5 at the back (although I do like it in certain circumstances) but if he insists
Davies Chester Souttar Batth Smith cousins clucas RND Powell Brown Fletcher
And if he wants 433 swap Batth or Chester for Clarke.
Please Michael, for your own sake. Do what makes sense.
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Post by Royal Donut on Mar 3, 2021 23:02:21 GMT
Yes that’s why they are still at the club, and still will be until their contract runs out. The sooner you actually realise the position this club is in the better. We don’t just loan out 11 players for nothing, it’s because we actually can’t sell them due to FFP. And exactly the reason we still pay the majority of the wages of the players that are on loan. Due you think Luton are paying all of Inces wages?! We loaned them out because nobody wanted to fucking buy them... We are paying the majority of wages because saving £10k is better than nothing... To lose all of the wage of the bill would be better but nobody wanted to buy them Nothing to do with FFP You don't know how FFP works do you?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2021 23:02:53 GMT
I agree. But you can’t talk to some of the morons on here - they think changing managers all the time is a great idea. MON is a good manager and he is exactly what we need. He needs time (and some bloody luck) but he’s absolutely the right man for us. Does nobody remember what Jones did with largely the same squad? Jones shit and this shit (at the moment) are on a par Behave mate. We’re in a rut now but Jones was 100% worse than this is now (I know, imagine that) with Ince and Lindsay and fucking Carter-Vickers.
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Post by fourfourtwo on Mar 3, 2021 23:03:07 GMT
Yes that’s why they are still at the club, and still will be until their contract runs out. The sooner you actually realise the position this club is in the better. We don’t just loan out 11 players for nothing, it’s because we actually can’t sell them due to FFP. And exactly the reason we still pay the majority of the wages of the players that are on loan. Due you think Luton are paying all of Inces wages?! We loaned them out because nobody wanted to fucking buy them... We are paying the majority of wages because saving £10k is better than nothing... To lose all of the wage of the bill would be better but nobody wanted to buy them Nothing to do with FFP Yes nobody wants to buy them, but even if they did it wouldn’t be for the money we signed them for. For that reason we can’t sell due to FFP.
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Post by wingy11 on Mar 3, 2021 23:03:34 GMT
Ok, it isnt MON fault, he come in last season and got this team performing, PPG was promotion level. We ended up in 15th position. MON as had now alot of time, fans reckon its a long project, managers dont have 5 years these days, max normally is 2-3 seasons, we sign 3 players January, none in position we need. Even the sky reps reckon we should be aiming top 6 we are way behind, they are basically basing it on performance from end of last season
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2021 23:04:55 GMT
I agree. But you can’t talk to some of the morons on here - they think changing managers all the time is a great idea. MON is a good manager and he is exactly what we need. He needs time (and some bloody luck) but he’s absolutely the right man for us. Does nobody remember what Jones did with largely the same squad? Its a great idea when the one you have isn't up to it, or do we just keep him on because we don't want to say good bye to another one. If you think that we can bring in someone better than MON who can get a tune out of these players who has a good track record and a will to build for the future - I’m all ears. Nathan Jones?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Mar 3, 2021 23:05:50 GMT
Its a great idea when the one you have isn't up to it, or do we just keep him on because we don't want to say good bye to another one. If you think that we can bring in someone better than MON who can get a tune out of these players who has a good track record and a will to build for the future - I’m all ears. Nathan Jones? Why would you suggest Nathan Jones
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Post by cobhamstokey on Mar 3, 2021 23:06:26 GMT
I think if we’d lost 17 in 20 it would be a lot more concerning.
Clearly our form is nowhere near good enough but we have to factor a lot of other elements into the current results.
- we have our best striker out injured. - we’re also without Clucas, McClean and Collins who are all at the very least competing to be in the first 11. - due to the ineptitude of the past managers / board we have been forced to loan out players that would at least have given us options. - when MON took over we were bottom and we’re heading for relegation.
There are decisions that he makes that I don’t agree with whether it’s subs, team selection or formation but we’re in a better place than we were before he arrived and with some luck re injuries to key players we can compete next season. We aren’t good enough to get in the playoffs we just need to accept that. He needs to stay as with the right ins and outs in the summer and with players returning we can go close next season with the rub of the green.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2021 23:06:35 GMT
If you think that we can bring in someone better than MON who can get a tune out of these players who has a good track record and a will to build for the future - I’m all ears. Nathan Jones? Why would you suggest Nathan Jones I’m coming down to your level of logic. Please suggest a replacement.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Mar 3, 2021 23:07:54 GMT
Why would you suggest Nathan Jones I’m coming down to your level of logic. Please suggest a replacement. Its not my job, I don't have enough knowledge of managers, I've already said this recently. Sod it then, lets stick with the shite we have regardless of where it takes us.
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Post by thevoid on Mar 3, 2021 23:08:11 GMT
Why would you suggest Nathan Jones I’m coming down to your level of logic. Please suggest a replacement. Fans aren't paid to suggest managers. Who are you tipping in the horseracing tomorrow, Alexa?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2021 23:08:30 GMT
I’m coming down to your level of logic. Please suggest a replacement. Its not my job, I don't have enough knowledge of managers, I've already said this recently. Sod it then, lets stick with the shite we have regardless of where it takes us. Correct. You don’t have enough knowledge.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2021 23:10:47 GMT
I’m coming down to your level of logic. Please suggest a replacement. Fans aren't paid to suggest managers. So you want to sit on here moaning your bollocks off about the manager but have no opinion about a better option. Loads of bullshit opinion about this one but you’re “not paid” to suggest a new one. When the fuck has that ever stopped people dishing out an opinion. You’re not paid to say that a bad sub was made or a wrong signing was made - but fuck me you tell us anyway.
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