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Post by boskampsflaps on Mar 3, 2021 23:42:25 GMT
Thats the thing, he did have us playing well last season and there's been absolutely no reason why he hasn't done it again this season, he's tried his hardest to avoid doing it from what I've seen. He did that last season too until he was forced to change it again. I can't agree he has the right qualities, he must know whats best for this side he had them doing it, but he's to scared to do it, thats not a good manager in my mind and not one with the right mentality to build this squad so it can compete. Dropping your most inform player (or one of) for one of your favorites regardless of how they're playing is not a good quality in a manger. There's been quite a bit of recrutment under MON and its not been great, again I see nothing in it that shows he's the right man to take us forward. You can point to this that or the other and say yeh he's made mistakes but he'll learn from them but there's no sign of him doing any sort of learning. I get why people like him, he's inoffensive and he kept us up but that isn't enough for where we hope to be in a couple of seasons time. Ok mate. Fair play - you’ve made your point and given some reasons. I don’t agree with you and I’m happy to play the long-game for now rather than change the manager again and again. However, I see what you’re saying and it certainly has some logic - but not for me. I want to give the manager time, because I’m convinced he’s got what it takes to do what Pulis did with Stoke. I think he'll get time, as I'm sure you know we are well known for giving a manager time unless there's big problems, relegation, attacking the fans etc. I think they'll give him at least half of next season then see where we are.
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Post by wingy11 on Mar 3, 2021 23:43:29 GMT
Sleep walking to league one. Go and ask the same question to the Sunderland forum they will tell you all you need to know. Do people actually believe this? What do you reckon long term is for a football manager these days?? Ive seen an average of 2.3 seasons.. before the big sack!! gone have the days where you keep Someone for 5-10 years. PPG last season were great, this season very poor, the team hasn’t changed, only in the way he wanted and he’s added, if anything it should improve
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 3, 2021 23:46:34 GMT
Do people actually believe this? What do you reckon long ball is for a football manager these days?? Ive seen an average of 2.3 seasons.. gone have the days where you keep Someone for 5-10 years Oh I agree and he needs to get his act together. But people losing their shit over that tonight and at the weekend is a bit odd imo. I thought we were the better side tonight against a team that should be top 3.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2021 23:47:32 GMT
Ok mate. Fair play - you’ve made your point and given some reasons. I don’t agree with you and I’m happy to play the long-game for now rather than change the manager again and again. However, I see what you’re saying and it certainly has some logic - but not for me. I want to give the manager time, because I’m convinced he’s got what it takes to do what Pulis did with Stoke. I think he'll get time, as I'm sure you know we are well known for giving a manager time unless there's big problems, relegation, attacking the fans etc. I think they'll give him at least half of next season then see where we are. I really hope so. It’s not like someone like Pep is on the shelf and we’re plugging away with MON - and I am convinced he’s the man for us. I really am. And I’m not a happy clapper by any means. I hated Jones as a man and as a manager. He was an absolute joke - I cannot believe he even got the job. I loved Pulis dearly and I was a Hughes fan until the end. O’Neill is what we need. We’re in a rut but that won’t last forever. Nobody can tell me that they feel the same as when we were in a rut with Jones. It’s chalk and cheese. We’ll be fine if we stick with him - he’s gong to turn out well like Pulis did in the end (with a 50 times bigger problem to solve). I’m sure if it.
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Post by wingy11 on Mar 3, 2021 23:48:40 GMT
What do you reckon long ball is for a football manager these days?? Ive seen an average of 2.3 seasons.. gone have the days where you keep Someone for 5-10 years Oh I agree and he needs to get his act together. But people losing their shit over that tonight and at the weekend is a bit odd imo. I thought we were the better side tonight against a team that should be top 3. 3 wins in 20 tells me different
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Post by peterthornesboots on Mar 3, 2021 23:49:47 GMT
Do people actually believe this? What do you reckon long ball is for a football manager these days?? Ive seen an average of 2.3 seasons.. gone have the days where you keep Someone for 5-10 years I think it's even less than that. A couple of seasons ago the average tenure of a manager was something like 1.5/1.6 years. In a normal season around 50 of the 92 managers in the top for English divisions will be sacked. Which is mad.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Mar 3, 2021 23:52:26 GMT
I think he'll get time, as I'm sure you know we are well known for giving a manager time unless there's big problems, relegation, attacking the fans etc. I think they'll give him at least half of next season then see where we are. I really hope so. It’s not like someone like Pep is on the shelf and we’re plugging away with MON - and I am convinced he’s the man for us. I really am. And I’m not a happy clapper by any means. I hated Jones as a man and as a manager. He was an absolute joke - I cannot believe he even got the job. I loved Pulis dearly and I was a Hughes fan until the end. O’Neill is what we need. We’re in a rut but that won’t last forever. Nobody can tell me that they feel the same as when we were in a rut with Jones. It’s chalk and cheese. We’ll be fine if we stick with him - he’s gong to turn out well like Pulis did in the end (with a 50 times bigger problem to solve). I’m sure if it. I hope you're right we need it, but for his sake he needs to learn quicker than he is.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 3, 2021 23:53:46 GMT
Oh I agree and he needs to get his act together. But people losing their shit over that tonight and at the weekend is a bit odd imo. I thought we were the better side tonight against a team that should be top 3. 3 wins in 20 tells me different It’s not good but tonight we played well. It was a good performance and we outperformed one of the better sides in the league.
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Post by peterthornesboots on Mar 3, 2021 23:54:25 GMT
I think he'll get time, as I'm sure you know we are well known for giving a manager time unless there's big problems, relegation, attacking the fans etc. I think they'll give him at least half of next season then see where we are. I really hope so. It’s not like someone like Pep is on the shelf and we’re plugging away with MON - and I am convinced he’s the man for us. I really am. And I’m not a happy clapper by any means. I hated Jones as a man and as a manager. He was an absolute joke - I cannot believe he even got the job. I loved Pulis dearly and I was a Hughes fan until the end. O’Neill is what we need. We’re in a rut but that won’t last forever. Nobody can tell me that they feel the same as when we were in a rut with Jones. It’s chalk and cheese. We’ll be fine if we stick with him - he’s gong to turn out well like Pulis did in the end (with a 50 times bigger problem to solve). I’m sure if it. This. We are basically asking MoN to rectify five (or more) years of poor decisions at this football club both on and off the pitch. It will take more than a year. He saved us last season. He's steadied the ship. He's bringing young players through. The big questiom now is whether he can pull together a team that can win enough games to get promoted.
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 4, 2021 0:38:55 GMT
I really can’t get my head around all the hatred towards MON, and fans calling for his head. We’ve played very well tonight against a strong Swansea side who if they win their games in hand are in the top 2. We’ve hit the post twice, and should of won the game if we took our chances, and didn’t have an awful decision given against us last minute. What do some of you want, More changes? more instability? We clearly haven’t got the attacking players we need given the injury to Ty. Who’s fault is that? We CAN NOT sign players we need due to FFP, and you need to get used to it. Regardless of who the manager is that isn’t going to change!! I get the anger, but not to MON.. it’s our previous transfer team, and Scholes you should be angry with. They’ve got us in this position, they’ve done this to our once very stable Premier League team. You should feel sympathy for MON to have to deal with the shite he’s been left to deal with. In MON I trust. Hatred?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 4, 2021 0:39:49 GMT
I really can’t get my head around all the hatred towards MON, and fans calling for his head. We’ve played very well tonight against a strong Swansea side who if they win their games in hand are in the top 2. We’ve hit the post twice, and should of won the game if we took our chances, and didn’t have an awful decision given against us last minute. What do some of you want, More changes? more instability? We clearly haven’t got the attacking players we need given the injury to Ty. Who’s fault is that? We CAN NOT sign players we need due to FFP, and you need to get used to it. Regardless of who the manager is that isn’t going to change!! I get the anger, but not to MON.. it’s our previous transfer team, and Scholes you should be angry with. They’ve got us in this position, they’ve done this to our once very stable Premier League team. You should feel sympathy for MON to have to deal with the shite he’s been left to deal with. In MON I trust. Hatred? Yeah don’t think there’s hatred just genuine frustration.
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Post by pottermouth on Mar 4, 2021 0:59:08 GMT
I really can’t get my head around all the hatred towards MON, and fans calling for his head. We’ve played very well tonight against a strong Swansea side who if they win their games in hand are in the top 2. We’ve hit the post twice, and should of won the game if we took our chances, and didn’t have an awful decision given against us last minute. What do some of you want, More changes? more instability? We clearly haven’t got the attacking players we need given the injury to Ty. Who’s fault is that? We CAN NOT sign players we need due to FFP, and you need to get used to it. Regardless of who the manager is that isn’t going to change!! I get the anger, but not to MON.. it’s our previous transfer team, and Scholes you should be angry with. They’ve got us in this position, they’ve done this to our once very stable Premier League team. You should feel sympathy for MON to have to deal with the shite he’s been left to deal with. In MON I trust. I’ve lost trust in MON and have every right to feel like that. Some of his decisions are bizarre. He is very cautious too. He no doubt earned plaudits for his job last season but since Campbell got injured and Joe Allen came in the team have won 3 in 20. I accept the team have suffered terrible injuries but until the manager plays a younger team with some guile then we are going nowhere. I don’t like the midfield and certainly don’t like the style of football. It’s dross. MON has some credit left in the bank but this summer is a big one as unless he can clear out Allen and the other big earning hoofers we are going nowhere.
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Post by dioufsboots on Mar 4, 2021 1:07:56 GMT
I really hope so. It’s not like someone like Pep is on the shelf and we’re plugging away with MON - and I am convinced he’s the man for us. I really am. And I’m not a happy clapper by any means. I hated Jones as a man and as a manager. He was an absolute joke - I cannot believe he even got the job. I loved Pulis dearly and I was a Hughes fan until the end. O’Neill is what we need. We’re in a rut but that won’t last forever. Nobody can tell me that they feel the same as when we were in a rut with Jones. It’s chalk and cheese. We’ll be fine if we stick with him - he’s gong to turn out well like Pulis did in the end (with a 50 times bigger problem to solve). I’m sure if it. This. We are basically asking MoN to rectify five (or more) years of poor decisions at this football club both on and off the pitch. It will take more than a year. He saved us last season. He's steadied the ship. He's bringing young players through. The big questiom now is whether he can pull together a team that can win enough games to get promoted. Agree it's going take a few more years to shift the rubbish we probably need to shift a good 10 or more and bring a similar number in,that won't happen over a season or 2 think we really need take advantage of loans if we're to stand a chance of pulling a capable team together
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Post by independent on Mar 4, 2021 3:48:48 GMT
How many defeats? Most other managers would of lost them games. The sooner you realise what this club is the better, a MID table championship club. That’s not going change anytime soon with the shit he has been left to deal with. Bloated squad mostly of over payed crap, and not being able to spend or sell due to FFP. Eh? We can't sell due to FFP 🤔 Correct. We can't sell these players for the price we'd need to get to avoid a 12 point deduction. We've bought players for £18 million and would need to get £4.5 million for them. We can't even get a club to pay their wages while on loan. Next year no parachute payment means that we will have to save another £6 million on wages or sell at least one player to make up the difference. At the end of 2022 almost all the players that are causing us problems will be out of contract and our financial problems will be over. Then we will be able to rebuild the club. We are stuck with these players for another year, If you know anyone who wishes to buy them please contact the club. Afobe BMI Collins Edwards Gregory Lindsay Sorensen Tymon Allen Brown Clucas Etebo Gunn McClean Souttar Vokes Batth Bursik Davies Fletcher Ince Ndiaye Thompson TOB Bauer Campbell Fox Doughty Powell Smith Wimmer Woods Blondie
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Post by christhepotter on Mar 4, 2021 5:32:30 GMT
I really can’t get my head around all the hatred towards MON, and fans calling for his head. We’ve played very well tonight against a strong Swansea side who if they win their games in hand are in the top 2. We’ve hit the post twice, and should of won the game if we took our chances, and didn’t have an awful decision given against us last minute. What do some of you want, More changes? more instability? We clearly haven’t got the attacking players we need given the injury to Ty. Who’s fault is that? We CAN NOT sign players we need due to FFP, and you need to get used to it. Regardless of who the manager is that isn’t going to change!! I get the anger, but not to MON.. it’s our previous transfer team, and Scholes you should be angry with. They’ve got us in this position, they’ve done this to our once very stable Premier League team. You should feel sympathy for MON to have to deal with the shite he’s been left to deal with. In MON I trust. There’s a lot on here now who I genuinely believe want this manager to fail now Nope , he’s doing that all by himself
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Post by zerps on Mar 4, 2021 5:50:15 GMT
A braindead response without any constructive thought is hardly a thread killer. Statistics never paint the full picture, we're 11th and no matter what unoriginal shit you spout off, that's progress from last season. We were never going to reach the playoffs this season, nobody in their right minds thought we were. We had some decent attacks tonight, hit the post twice and if not for a poor reffing decision, would have drawn against a Swansea side that could may well be in the top two if they win their games in hand. Typical small minded response. We’re Stoke. We’re a bigger club than Swansea. Your acceptance of this utter shit we have to watch every week, says more about you and your mentality than anything else. We need to be more arrogant. We deserve better. This is absolutely wank. Sack him now. Any club with ambition would have sacked him long ago. It’s absolutely terrible football and it doesn’t get results.
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Post by zerps on Mar 4, 2021 5:50:38 GMT
Afraid it's shit to watch and right up there with going to the dentist. Just walked the dog and thought maybe should have gone down with Jones and come back up with a dynamic young squad and a 3rd autoglass than watch this crap. Give me strength. How would Jones have got rid of the leeches who, due to the contracts we've given out, are clinging on for grim death? Name a good mon signing.......
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Post by potterburt on Mar 4, 2021 6:07:00 GMT
Does a lot of it just boil down to lazy support?
This forum is the main echo chamber for fans atm and with nothing to be collectively vocalised at the game - where spirits of the disgruntled could be raised at times by the other supporters for the club - now we are just seeing a lot of small time grumbles being given a lot of amplification and airtime online.
Sometimes it’s those with the least to say that get heard the most and those with the loudest and/or the most persistent voice overpowering the general collective conversation.
For the boo boys - on here It’s easy, sometimes funny, bit of good old spotty snotty teenager banter and likely a cultural escapism from everyday life ....but it is also quite often just read as a rather lazy excuse as to being ‘analytical’, ‘reasonably critical’ etc etc.
With much of the sentiment there’s no scope for conversing, nothing added to the conversation, no research done into what’s being said - no interest into adding anything of wealth/positivity to the collective support of the club.
sometimes fans can post well thought out points which is valid, balanced and intelligently written and it’ll just be met with such brilliant responses such as things like “3 in 20”.
In the above example, the post isn’t incorrect - but hot damn! - its lazy, boring, uninspiring and just really mundane humdrum negativity.
(Queue all of the “if your telling me your happy with...”.) *
* Although- at least these posts are trying to engage with a question and have managed to string a few more words together than the “we’re shit” or “he’s wank’ albeit often missed the mark because no one in the original post was telling anyone anything about being happy about anything, bit they have a little go at convo at least
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Post by zerps on Mar 4, 2021 6:13:15 GMT
Does a lot of it just boil down to lazy support? This forum is the main echo chamber for fans atm and with nothing to be collectively vocalised at the game - where spirits of the disgruntled could be raised at times by the other supporters for the club - now we are just seeing a lot of small time grumbles being given a lot of amplification and airtime online. Sometimes it’s those with the least to say that get heard the most and those with the loudest and/or the most persistent voice overpowering the general collective conversation. For the boo boys - on here It’s easy, sometimes funny, bit of good old spotty snotty teenager banter and likely a cultural escapism from everyday life ....but it is also quite often just read as a rather lazy excuse as to being ‘analytical’, ‘reasonably critical’ etc etc. With much of the sentiment there’s no scope for conversing, nothing added to the conversation, no research done into what’s being said - no interest into adding anything of wealth/positivity to the collective support of the club. sometimes fans can post well thought out points which is valid, balanced and intelligently written and it’ll just be met with such brilliant responses such as things like “3 in 20”. In the above example, the post isn’t incorrect - but hot damn! - its lazy, boring, uninspiring and just really mundane humdrum negativity. (Queue all of the “if your telling me your happy with....) You’re right, life is currently shit and it’s being amplified by having to watch us play walking football under this massive let down of a manager
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Post by heworksardtho on Mar 4, 2021 6:13:48 GMT
I really can’t get my head around all the hatred towards MON, and fans calling for his head. We’ve played very well tonight against a strong Swansea side who if they win their games in hand are in the top 2. We’ve hit the post twice, and should of won the game if we took our chances, and didn’t have an awful decision given against us last minute. What do some of you want, More changes? more instability? We clearly haven’t got the attacking players we need given the injury to Ty. Who’s fault is that? We CAN NOT sign players we need due to FFP, and you need to get used to it. Regardless of who the manager is that isn’t going to change!! I get the anger, but not to MON.. it’s our previous transfer team, and Scholes you should be angry with. They’ve got us in this position, they’ve done this to our once very stable Premier League team. You should feel sympathy for MON to have to deal with the shite he’s been left to deal with. In MON I trust. Relegation form , stats don’t lie
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Post by potterburt on Mar 4, 2021 6:18:54 GMT
Does a lot of it just boil down to lazy support? This forum is the main echo chamber for fans atm and with nothing to be collectively vocalised at the game - where spirits of the disgruntled could be raised at times by the other supporters for the club - now we are just seeing a lot of small time grumbles being given a lot of amplification and airtime online. Sometimes it’s those with the least to say that get heard the most and those with the loudest and/or the most persistent voice overpowering the general collective conversation. For the boo boys - on here It’s easy, sometimes funny, bit of good old spotty snotty teenager banter and likely a cultural escapism from everyday life ....but it is also quite often just read as a rather lazy excuse as to being ‘analytical’, ‘reasonably critical’ etc etc. With much of the sentiment there’s no scope for conversing, nothing added to the conversation, no research done into what’s being said - no interest into adding anything of wealth/positivity to the collective support of the club. sometimes fans can post well thought out points which is valid, balanced and intelligently written and it’ll just be met with such brilliant responses such as things like “3 in 20”. In the above example, the post isn’t incorrect - but hot damn! - its lazy, boring, uninspiring and just really mundane humdrum negativity. (Queue all of the “if your telling me your happy with....) You’re right, life is currently shit and it’s being amplified by having to watch us play walking football under this massive let down of a manager Ok Zerps 👍🏼 I hear ya - You don’t like the manager. I’ll make sure I tell the wife all about it over breakfast. 😉
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Post by zerps on Mar 4, 2021 6:28:31 GMT
You’re right, life is currently shit and it’s being amplified by having to watch us play walking football under this massive let down of a manager Ok Zerps 👍🏼 I hear ya - You don’t like the manager. I’ll make sure I tell the wife all about it over breakfast. 😉 I wouldn’t, she’ll divorce you.
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Post by peterthornesboots on Mar 4, 2021 12:07:34 GMT
This. We are basically asking MoN to rectify five (or more) years of poor decisions at this football club both on and off the pitch. It will take more than a year. He saved us last season. He's steadied the ship. He's bringing young players through. The big questiom now is whether he can pull together a team that can win enough games to get promoted. Agree it's going take a few more years to shift the rubbish we probably need to shift a good 10 or more and bring a similar number in,that won't happen over a season or 2 think we really need take advantage of loans if we're to stand a chance of pulling a capable team together Agree. Ultimately, due to FFP, it looks like we are shopping in the bargain basement and looking for effective loans. It is pretty much the strategy Pulis used to get us promoted. However, I will say that I do think we need to be better in the here and now. Results since Christas haven't been good enough. MoN needs (and deserves) time to pull everything together, but football is a notoriously unforgiving business and he needs to get things improving on the pitch ASAP. I would love to know what the owners thoughts are (whether they consider this season as progress or if they think we are underperforming ...)
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Post by datguy on Mar 4, 2021 12:17:35 GMT
There’s not a single manager in the world that returns a measly 3 wins in 20 without having his position questioned. Results are only half of it as well. MON’s decision making ALL season (not just since Ty got injured) has been questionable at best. This season’s over. And we’re in no danger of going down next season either tbh. Calling for his head is imo premature, but questions should be asked. And will be asked. (Unless it’s Radio Stoke asking them )
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Post by christhepotter on Mar 4, 2021 12:19:49 GMT
There’s not a single manager in the world that returns a measly 3 wins in 20 without having his position questioned. Results are only half of it as well. MON’s decision making ALL season (not just since Ty got injured) has been questionable at best. This season’s over. And we’re in no danger of going down next season either tbh. Calling for his head is imo premature, but questions should be asked. And will be asked. (Unless it’s Radio Stoke asking them ) Clubs have sacked managers for these kind of results
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Post by mcw on Mar 4, 2021 12:26:29 GMT
Oh I agree and he needs to get his act together. But people losing their shit over that tonight and at the weekend is a bit odd imo. I thought we were the better side tonight against a team that should be top 3. 3 wins in 20 tells me different I wa people would stop peddling this useless stat. In the majority of those games, despite having arguably 6/7 first team players unavailable, we have competed in 80% of those games. If we were being handed our arses game after game then you could bring thiis tripe up with some semblance of credibility. What is it you want if he was to go?
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Post by OldStokie on Mar 4, 2021 12:32:33 GMT
P-34 W-11 D-12 L-11 GF-39 GA-39 GD-0 Pts-45.
That's the picture I'm seeing, and given the terrible run of injuries we've had, deadwood causing financial havoc and FFP killing us, players coming back from long-term injuries, I'm surprised we've managed to keep our heads above water. And when that bastard ref gave that rediculous penalty against us last night, I decided then that seeing the season out as a mid-table team would suffice for me. MON has had some stick from some supporters. but for me, despite the recent run of results, he gets my vote to continue to try and reshape the mess of the last four years.
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Post by gingerninja on Mar 4, 2021 12:38:28 GMT
Again Old Stokie with the voice of reason. My only concern would be that if Celtic do come hunting, the massive spectre of FFP might push him towards it..It's a real mess and the summer could be even messier.. Midfield needs a complete revamp, I really don't want to see Mikel hang around, neither Allen at a push..
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Post by dirtygary69 on Mar 4, 2021 12:51:37 GMT
I could understand the levels of frustration if we were in this position with a full squad available to us, but we haven't and haven't had for a number of months. We could and should be higher up in the table but, like last night, MON can't go and put the ball in the net himself. On another night that ends up 3-1 in our favour quite easily.
Last night we were without: Campbell McClean Clucas Fox
Even if just McClean and Clucas on the bench, it gives us two more subs to make. Some of the players in the squad at the minute (TOB etc) are purely there to make up the numbers. Yes, it's good to see some youngsters on there but that's out of desperation.
Last night we got fucked over by a referee making an atrocious decision and if we draw 1-1 we're all saying "well done".
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Post by bgreen13 on Mar 4, 2021 13:23:27 GMT
The bloke miraculously saved our arses last season after the Jones shit show put us virtually down.
Everyone expected a ‘transition period’ yet when it actually comes to it, they’re not willing to give it time.
We could go again with another manager (any foreign one will obviously be a success 🙄🙄) but it’s yet another gamble which, given our absolutely appalling luck in anything we do, will only end in more tears.
We need patience and need a proper rebuilding job.
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