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Post by boskampsflaps on Mar 3, 2021 23:11:02 GMT
Its not my job, I don't have enough knowledge of managers, I've already said this recently. Sod it then, lets stick with the shite we have regardless of where it takes us. Correct. You don’t have enough knowledge. Of other managers no, of MONs ineptitude, unfortunately I have plenty.
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Post by iglugluk on Mar 3, 2021 23:11:21 GMT
We are in a downward spiral and it began 3 months ago. The manager needs to get a grip on his team. His statement in the pre match presser about the table being unimportant right now smacks of complacency regarding our relative safety and lack of ambition regarding the possibility of the playoffs as far as I'm concerned. We have been very poor against higher placed opposition this season and that's concerning. We have also been found wanting during a few key games and it's cost us, both Norwich and Barnsley games come to mind. I am certainly not advocating his removal ( I don't trust the board anyway tbh) but MoN needs to get his game back together and he, himself, needs to see that.
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Post by thevoid on Mar 3, 2021 23:11:26 GMT
I’m coming down to your level of logic. Please suggest a replacement. They won't other than 'we want a foreigner'... That's the level of so called football knowledge these waste of oxygen have. Wastes of oxygen? Interesting
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Post by boskampsflaps on Mar 3, 2021 23:11:45 GMT
I’m coming down to your level of logic. Please suggest a replacement. They won't other than 'we want a foreigner'... That's the level of so called football knowledge these waste of oxygen have. Couldn't care less where the manager is from, its moronic that their nationality should come into it. Waste of oxygen? Classy.
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Post by bgreen13 on Mar 3, 2021 23:12:29 GMT
They won't other than 'we want a foreigner'... That's the level of so called football knowledge these waste of oxygen have. Wastes of oxygen? Interesting Wastes of oxygen? Even more interesting...
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Post by Davef on Mar 3, 2021 23:12:33 GMT
I really can’t get my head around all the hatred towards MON, and fans calling for his head. We’ve played very well tonight against a strong Swansea side who if they win their games in hand are in the top 2. We’ve hit the post twice, and should of won the game if we took our chances, and didn’t have an awful decision given against us last minute. What do some of you want, More changes? more instability? We clearly haven’t got the attacking players we need given the injury to Ty. Who’s fault is that? We CAN NOT sign players we need due to FFP, and you need to get used to it. Regardless of who the manager is that isn’t going to change!! I get the anger, but not to MON.. it’s our previous transfer team, and Scholes you should be angry with. They’ve got us in this position, they’ve done this to our once very stable Premier League team. You should feel sympathy for MON to have to deal with the shite he’s been left to deal with. In MON I trust. A strong Swansea who came down from the Premier League with us and haven't embarrassed themselves for most of the last three years. Take a look at who stands in 7th place in the league after their sixth successive victory tonight, having saved themselves from relegation to Lesgue One with virtually their last kick of last season and ask yourself if what you're currently watching is acceptable. The excuses are beginning to wear thin.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2021 23:12:59 GMT
Correct. You don’t have enough knowledge. Of other managers no, of MONs ineptitude, unfortunately I have plenty. So you can hand out the criticism like an expert but no opinion about an alternative? Come on. Push yourself. You’ve got loads of views. Surely one name springs to mind.
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Post by J-Roar on Mar 3, 2021 23:15:30 GMT
There’s a lot on here now who I genuinely believe want this manager to fail now Surely that is the last thing the club needs. We want stability and progress. What we are getting is relegation form for an awful lot of games. MON will have to go at the end of the season if this doesn’t improve. We simply cannot afford to go down next season and I fear we will with MON at the helm. Can you think of anyone who is available who could take over? I'm struggling.
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Post by s7oke on Mar 3, 2021 23:15:54 GMT
I really can’t get my head around all the hatred towards MON, and fans calling for his head. We’ve played very well tonight against a strong Swansea side who if they win their games in hand are in the top 2. We’ve hit the post twice, and should of won the game if we took our chances, and didn’t have an awful decision given against us last minute. What do some of you want, More changes? more instability? We clearly haven’t got the attacking players we need given the injury to Ty. Who’s fault is that? We CAN NOT sign players we need due to FFP, and you need to get used to it. Regardless of who the manager is that isn’t going to change!! I get the anger, but not to MON.. it’s our previous transfer team, and Scholes you should be angry with. They’ve got us in this position, they’ve done this to our once very stable Premier League team. You should feel sympathy for MON to have to deal with the shite he’s been left to deal with. In MON I trust. I agree with what you have said BUT how does Mikel get a start and there are some negative substitutions and why have a young forward on the bench and not play him And how does Gunn start because surely playing one of our own keepers is more beneficial Just some strange decisions He needs to just go for it What have we got to lose
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Post by peterthornesboots on Mar 3, 2021 23:16:40 GMT
Surely that is the last thing the club needs. We want stability and progress. What we are getting is relegation form for an awful lot of games. MON will have to go at the end of the season if this doesn’t improve. We simply cannot afford to go down next season and I fear we will with MON at the helm. Can you think of anyone who is available who could take over? I'm struggling. I wonder who March will suggest ... 😂
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Post by boskampsflaps on Mar 3, 2021 23:16:59 GMT
Of other managers no, of MONs ineptitude, unfortunately I have plenty. So you can hand out the criticism like an expert but no opinion about an alternative? Come on. Push yourself. You’ve got loads of views. Surely one name springs to mind. Well we can go back to way back when before MON, my pick was Mad Mick but obviously thats an easy one now given what he's doing at Cardiff, as I said my knowledge is limited, I was surprised to see Cook go to Ipswich........
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Post by greenhoff on Mar 3, 2021 23:19:21 GMT
Due to our 10 years in the Prem the majority of fans on here think we have the god given right to pis# this league and out play everyone in every single game. Let’s just forget the fact Hughes, Rowett and Jones flashed millions up the wall on awful players and MON has been left to pick up the left overs. Any idea how Barnsley are doing?
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Post by franklin on Mar 3, 2021 23:22:00 GMT
So you can hand out the criticism like an expert but no opinion about an alternative? Come on. Push yourself. You’ve got loads of views. Surely one name springs to mind. Well we can go back to way back when before MON, my pick was Mad Mick but obviously thats an easy one now given what he's doing at Cardiff, as I said my knowledge is limited, I was surprised to see Cook go to Ipswich........ I agree you can still pass comment and criticism without being an encyclopedia or the font of all knowledge.
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Post by thevoid on Mar 3, 2021 23:23:22 GMT
Wastes of oxygen? Interesting Wastes of oxygen? Even more interesting... Cracking comeback
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2021 23:24:13 GMT
So you can hand out the criticism like an expert but no opinion about an alternative? Come on. Push yourself. You’ve got loads of views. Surely one name springs to mind. Well we can go back to way back when before MON, my pick was Mad Mick but obviously thats an easy one now given what he's doing at Cardiff, as I said my knowledge is limited, I was surprised to see Cook go to Ipswich........ Fair play that you named some names. Mick has got a good record and is performing really well now. I still don’t want him here instead of O’Neill. Cook was decent at Wigan and ok at Portsmouth - but again, I’m happier to have O’Neill. In isolation, O’Neill’s end to last season after rescuing us from certain relegation after Jones’ stint is (arguably) better than what Cook or Mick McCarthy have done. Given the players and the situation, O’Neill did unbelievably well - and that doesn’t just go away. I’m cool to stick with the manager. He’s got quality and he’s got what it takes. Time and recruitment still needed however. P.s. you keep saying that you’re not an expert (none of us are) so maybe lay off the O’Neill bashing then?
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Post by bgreen13 on Mar 3, 2021 23:24:28 GMT
Wastes of oxygen? Even more interesting... Cracking comeback I didn't really have much to work with though with your odd reply.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2021 23:25:33 GMT
Well we can go back to way back when before MON, my pick was Mad Mick but obviously thats an easy one now given what he's doing at Cardiff, as I said my knowledge is limited, I was surprised to see Cook go to Ipswich........ I agree you can still pass comment and criticism without being an encyclopedia or the font of all knowledge. Yep I agree. I don’t expect an expert - but if you’re going to give out a load of criticism and then back off when challenged for an improvement then it’s a bit strange to start a point and not finish it.
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Post by wingy11 on Mar 3, 2021 23:27:38 GMT
Due to our 10 years in the Prem the majority of fans on here think we have the god given right to pis# this league and out play everyone in every single game. Let’s just forget the fact Hughes, Rowett and Jones flashed millions up the wall on awful players and MON has been left to pick up the left overs. Any idea how Barnsley are doing? No MON picked up the pieces really well end of last season PPG was top 2 form, he had summer to add/ remove players, and I'm Sorry PPG as dropped dramatically. The football is appalling, and if anything regressed wake up people
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 3, 2021 23:29:05 GMT
Same people moaning about O'Neil but then say they don't want him out. I call bullshit, they clearly do. Fair enough, but lets hear some replacements.
Mick McCarthy and Paul Cook.... do me a fucking favour. A has been and a never has or will be.
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Post by franklin on Mar 3, 2021 23:30:06 GMT
I agree you can still pass comment and criticism without being an encyclopedia or the font of all knowledge. Yep I agree. I don’t expect an expert - but if you’re going to give out a load of criticism and then back off when challenged for an improvement then it’s a bit strange to start a point and not finish it. But he answered you he doesn't have the kind of detail to name a name and i don't either. I dont know all of the managers out there to do so however if I worked at the club and it was my responsibility I would do. You know and I know that any name would be ridiculed maybe not by you but somebody would so why would anyone do that.
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Post by shooters on Mar 3, 2021 23:30:31 GMT
Afraid it's shit to watch and right up there with going to the dentist. Just walked the dog and thought maybe should have gone down with Jones and come back up with a dynamic young squad and a 3rd autoglass than watch this crap. Give me strength. How would Jones have got rid of the leeches who, due to the contracts we've given out, are clinging on for grim death? Difficult but Just not playing any of them and gone with faster, dynamic, hungrier young uns may have helped encourage them to leave. It was just one of those hindsight thought. Still think Hughes would have kept us up as well. This football is for dinosaurs and we have too many in the side as well.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Mar 3, 2021 23:33:46 GMT
Well we can go back to way back when before MON, my pick was Mad Mick but obviously thats an easy one now given what he's doing at Cardiff, as I said my knowledge is limited, I was surprised to see Cook go to Ipswich........ Fair play that you named some names. Mick has got a good record and is performing really well now. I still don’t want him here instead of O’Neill. Cook was decent at Wigan and ok at Portsmouth - but again, I’m happier to have O’Neill. In isolation, O’Neill’s end to last season after rescuing us from certain relegation after Jones’ stint is (arguably) better than what Cook or Mick McCarthy have done. Given the players and the situation, O’Neill did unbelievably well - and that doesn’t just go away. I’m cool to stick with the manager. He’s got quality and he’s got what it takes. Time and recruitment still needed however. P.s. you keep saying that you’re not an expert (none of us are) so maybe lay off the O’Neill bashing then? Thats the thing, he did have us playing well last season and there's been absolutely no reason why he hasn't done it again this season, he's tried his hardest to avoid doing it from what I've seen. He did that last season too until he was forced to change it again. I can't agree he has the right qualities, he must know whats best for this side he had them doing it, but he's to scared to do it, thats not a good manager in my mind and not one with the right mentality to build this squad so it can compete. Dropping your most inform player (or one of) for one of your favorites regardless of how they're playing is not a good quality in a manger. There's been quite a bit of recrutment under MON and its not been great, again I see nothing in it that shows he's the right man to take us forward. You can point to this that or the other and say yeh he's made mistakes but he'll learn from them but there's no sign of him doing any sort of learning. I get why people like him, he's inoffensive and he kept us up but that isn't enough for where we hope to be in a couple of seasons time.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2021 23:35:23 GMT
Yep I agree. I don’t expect an expert - but if you’re going to give out a load of criticism and then back off when challenged for an improvement then it’s a bit strange to start a point and not finish it. But he answered you he doesn't have the kind of detail to name a name and i don't either. I dont know all of the managers out there to do so however if I worked at the club and it was my responsibility I would do. You know and I know that any name would be ridiculed maybe not by you but somebody would so why would anyone do that. Yes. Again, I agree. And I’m sure if you were on a payroll to find a better manager than you could come up with a name or two - but it seems that everyone has an opinion about this manager but rather than be constructive and give alternatives and ideas - they just want to hand out abuse for the sake of it. And you’re right, any name would be ridiculed - probably not by me but by someone. It would be absolutely pointless. Just like giving MON abuse is.
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Post by Milkie on Mar 3, 2021 23:36:33 GMT
It’s not really MON bashing it’s statement of facts, 3 wins in 20. In the same period last year game 16-34, he took 29 points, it’s a worrying regression. He has the squad he inherited plus 3 transfer windows of his own signings. He obviously gave us all hope up to the Cardiff game, but the dramatic turn of fortunes from then on in is puzzling. As stated elsewhere, the first person to be looked at is Scholes, however, we have to accept that is not how SCFC work, MON , will be given enough rope but then made another scapegoat. As for other managers, Valérien Ismaël , from Barnsley has to be worth a look, Michael Appleton from Lincoln is doing well, the Cowleys would relish the challenge all cheap options. If we are prepared to go for it then Eddie Howe, Slavic Bilic, or Frank Lampard, however, I suspect we are not in that ballpark anymore. I don’t won’t a change at this point, however, he is not immune from critism.
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Post by thevoid on Mar 3, 2021 23:38:02 GMT
I didn't really have much to work with though with your odd reply. So you just repeated what I wrote? Great logic.
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Post by thevoid on Mar 3, 2021 23:38:43 GMT
Same people moaning about O'Neil but then say they don't want him out. I call bullshit, they clearly do. Fair enough, but lets hear some replacements. Mick McCarthy and Paul Cook.... do me a fucking favour. A has been and a never has or will be. You were giving Pulis dog's abuse for similar form to this.
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Post by bgreen13 on Mar 3, 2021 23:38:45 GMT
I didn't really have much to work with though with your odd reply. So you just repeated what I clearly misread? Great logic. Fixed
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2021 23:38:54 GMT
Fair play that you named some names. Mick has got a good record and is performing really well now. I still don’t want him here instead of O’Neill. Cook was decent at Wigan and ok at Portsmouth - but again, I’m happier to have O’Neill. In isolation, O’Neill’s end to last season after rescuing us from certain relegation after Jones’ stint is (arguably) better than what Cook or Mick McCarthy have done. Given the players and the situation, O’Neill did unbelievably well - and that doesn’t just go away. I’m cool to stick with the manager. He’s got quality and he’s got what it takes. Time and recruitment still needed however. P.s. you keep saying that you’re not an expert (none of us are) so maybe lay off the O’Neill bashing then? Thats the thing, he did have us playing well last season and there's been absolutely no reason why he hasn't done it again this season, he's tried his hardest to avoid doing it from what I've seen. He did that last season too until he was forced to change it again. I can't agree he has the right qualities, he must know whats best for this side he had them doing it, but he's to scared to do it, thats not a good manager in my mind and not one with the right mentality to build this squad so it can compete. Dropping your most inform player (or one of) for one of your favorites regardless of how they're playing is not a good quality in a manger. There's been quite a bit of recrutment under MON and its not been great, again I see nothing in it that shows he's the right man to take us forward. You can point to this that or the other and say yeh he's made mistakes but he'll learn from them but there's no sign of him doing any sort of learning. I get why people like him, he's inoffensive and he kept us up but that isn't enough for where we hope to be in a couple of seasons time. Ok mate. Fair play - you’ve made your point and given some reasons. I don’t agree with you and I’m happy to play the long-game for now rather than change the manager again and again. However, I see what you’re saying and it certainly has some logic - but not for me. I want to give the manager time, because I’m convinced he’s got what it takes to do what Pulis did with Stoke.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 3, 2021 23:39:10 GMT
Sleep walking to league one. Go and ask the same question to the Sunderland forum they will tell you all you need to know. Do people actually believe this?
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 3, 2021 23:41:32 GMT
Same people moaning about O'Neil but then say they don't want him out. I call bullshit, they clearly do. Fair enough, but lets hear some replacements. Mick McCarthy and Paul Cook.... do me a fucking favour. A has been and a never has or will be. You were giving Pulis dog's abuse for similar form to this. Of course it's exactly the same circumstances MoN's time is running out, let's hear some alternatives, or at least the type of manager we need.
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