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Post by somersetstokie on Jan 24, 2021 0:59:25 GMT
Collins is a valuable asset for the Club, but I have no problem with us selling him as long as doing so helps out with the financial planning. After all you can't really justify blocking a player's career path and an opportunity to move up to a bigger club.
The thing is that very few of us Fans would have much confidence that Stoke will be able to negotiate the best deal for the benefit of the club. We seem to have the sort of administration that would be offered £20 million and then after negotiation accept £15 million.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 24, 2021 1:01:22 GMT
We might sell Collins at some point.
It won't be for 10m and it certainly won't be to Burnley.
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Post by pieofpeter on Jan 24, 2021 2:02:39 GMT
I think we will be safe until the summer where I can see someone like a Everton/Spurs come in for him as his next step with starting at 20mill plus a loan back to us. Wonder if the clubs in Germany are still looking at him an all as they were linked last summer? Think this lad is going to the very top but stop playing him at right back please and play him at Centre back.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2021 2:27:52 GMT
I'm not one of those that hate Arsenal and I was a great admirer of their former manager. But I don't think it will be a good career move for Nathan to go to Atsenal. It's a club that's in serious decline, still with the financial clout to be counted as a major club, but everything is going downhill for them, and it's going to be very difficult for them to arrest the decline.
They already have several international defenders on thir books, and some of them can't even make the first team. So for Arsenal Collins would just be an investment in the future, they will build him up for any number of years with Collins making the odd first team appearence. It could take years before he'll even get near the amount of game time he's having here.
In terms of personal development probably anything is better than Stoke for Nathan. I just can't believe that we're still using him out of position.
Burnley could be a potentially good move, but there is a question mark over how far they can continue to go. Moreover I've heard a very little bird whisper that Dyche is in line to be the next Engkand manager when Southgate retires after the euros. Once Dyche is gone, Burnley will collapse and become the new Stoke, which some would say they already are.
I think he should wait for Liverpool or Citeh to call. They can pay more and offer better playing prospects for Nathan, although he'd have to prove himself immediately or he'd just be one for the future there.
The very fact that Klopp has said he's not bothered if Liverpool don't sign a defender suggests that it's just a smoklescreen and they could soon make a move.
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Post by supersimonstainrod on Jan 24, 2021 3:15:48 GMT
He's getting plenty of game time with us and will continue to do so,he's going to improve further.
If he's mature and he's receiving good career advice he should be setting his sights higher than Burnley.
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Post by onepara on Jan 24, 2021 3:22:48 GMT
This is part of P.C's "Self-sufficiency" plan, that he talked about. We rear our own, then sell them if the money is right.
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Post by pb1863 on Jan 24, 2021 5:07:20 GMT
Move and potentially get less game time, much more scrutiny when he plays, more money, ego of player for bigger club. Stay and get plenty of game time, play for a manager who cares and wants to build and play football and results aren’t so important, great chance to develop and work on skills with less pressure. Hope he stays. Maybe this is just a ruse to get a pay rise from the club and this is his agent justifying his fee with fake news.
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Post by theonlooker on Jan 24, 2021 5:48:31 GMT
15M plus add ons and they'll sell IMO.
I'd personally hold on for 25M. He's easily worth that.
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Post by chrisevans75 on Jan 24, 2021 6:06:22 GMT
If they sell him for 10m there'll be a fooking riot! Every knows he's going to the top, everyone knows he won't be with us for years and years aka Shawcross, and everyone knows 10m is no-where near enough dosh. If we sell him for 10m we are definitely reverting to Stoke City of old. If you have a saleable asset, they all the big clubs are keeping tabs on, you certainly DO NOT sell at the first bid on the table. You refuse and refuse, keep him as long as you can before you get an offer you cannot refuse. He has a long contract, is serving us well and his value will just continue to rise. I wish we didn't have to see all and he could be the new Shawcross ie get us promoted and then onto Premier League adventures, but I fear he will go a lot further than Ryan and we just won't be big enough for him.
10m...... get to fcuk!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2021 6:28:11 GMT
We paid 9m plus crouch for a useless twat. They offer 10m for one of the best young centre half’s around. Treble it Burnley. You just know Mr Bean will sell ASAP
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Post by heworksardtho on Jan 24, 2021 6:56:03 GMT
Burnley may get relegated it’s a backward step career wise
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Post by heworksardtho on Jan 24, 2021 6:58:29 GMT
15M plus add ons and they'll sell IMO. I'd personally hold on for 25M. He's easily worth that. Rio Ferdinand went for 30 million to the shit and Collins will be better than him in two years so 25M is a bit cheap
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Post by heworksardtho on Jan 24, 2021 7:00:14 GMT
Man City paid £47.5m for John Stones 4 years ago and he’s the most overrated defender ever - let that sink in Fucking hell I forgot about that ,
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2021 7:31:54 GMT
15M plus add ons and they'll sell IMO. I'd personally hold on for 25M. He's easily worth that. Rio Ferdinand went for 30 million to the shit and Collins will be better than him in two years so 25M is a bit cheap Whoah, just hang on a minute here. Better than Rio Ferdinand in two years? Not having that, unless you're taking the piss obviously.
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Post by chuckrocky on Jan 24, 2021 7:44:52 GMT
In the current market where the likes of Dunk and Tarkowski are being valued at £50m by their clubs, anything under £20m would be scandalous.
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Post by dave1 on Jan 24, 2021 7:53:22 GMT
I wouldn't sell to arsenal, even if they were willing to pay more than anyone else!!!
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 24, 2021 8:10:32 GMT
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 24, 2021 8:12:05 GMT
Nixon is hinting Burnley are the real threat and £10mish could get it done this week.
Wonder if we need it for FFP?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 24, 2021 8:16:57 GMT
Nixon is hinting Burnley are the real threat and £10mish could get it done this week. Wonder if we need it for FFP? I have no doubt he knows something but he’s being his usual wishy washy self reference the fee. Like you say it boils down to FFP I imagine, but £10m feels at least £5m light. If the likes of Arsenal and even a Man Utd come in them you’d like to think the bidding will get interesting.....
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Post by Sven on Jan 24, 2021 8:16:59 GMT
if selling due to ffp then id prefer to take the points deduction and keep him, we have our pants pulled down 90% of the time with transfers (ins and outs). Hes only played 19 games so 10m may or may not be right but the potential is worth another 20/30m. It'll be another kick in the teeth if he goes. Yes we desperately need a striker but not at the expense of our young talented stars.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 24, 2021 8:18:24 GMT
if selling due to ffp then id prefer to take the points deduction and keep him, we have our pants pulled down 90% of the time with transfers (ins and outs). Hes only played 19 games so 10m may or may not be right but the potential is worth another 20/30m. It'll be another kick in the teeth if he goes. Yes we desperately need a striker but not at the expense of our young talented stars. Taking a points deduction would be suicidal......
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Post by theonlooker on Jan 24, 2021 8:19:43 GMT
Nixon is hinting Burnley are the real threat and £10mish could get it done this week. Wonder if we need it for FFP? We do need it. MON says it in nearly every interview.
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Post by Cns on Jan 24, 2021 8:20:46 GMT
O'Neill getting excited over 10 mil and already scouting Oxford and Wimbledon players.
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Post by Cns on Jan 24, 2021 8:23:17 GMT
Would he be valued more if he was British?
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Post by christhepotter on Jan 24, 2021 8:24:17 GMT
Here we go on the FFP front FFP is no excuse for accepting joke offers. He’s worth 20m and selling him for a penny less would be criminal. He’s worth what someone will pay for him , today’s prices are not as much as a few years ago , if we can get both clubs bidding that would be better
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Post by barrythe on Jan 24, 2021 8:30:24 GMT
£10M??? bollox to that, unless he has a clause in his contract I'd say Bids should start at £15M no less, with a large percentage of a sell on clause!!! We need to show how much we value him!!! Souttar and Collins are the Chamiponships version of Van Dyke. £50mil each if Van dyke is worth over £100mil
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jan 24, 2021 8:30:45 GMT
Nixon is hinting Burnley are the real threat and £10mish could get it done this week. Wonder if we need it for FFP? 10m is an insult. I wonder if they’d throw in Vydra as part of a deal. They were offering him to Bournemouth for King.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 24, 2021 8:35:08 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2021 8:36:19 GMT
15M plus add ons and they'll sell IMO. I'd personally hold on for 25M. He's easily worth that. Rio Ferdinand went for 30 million to the shit and Collins will be better than him in two years so 25M is a bit cheap steady on fella. Nathan has potential to be very decent. Rio was one of the best in the world
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 24, 2021 8:36:23 GMT
Nixon is hinting Burnley are the real threat and £10mish could get it done this week. Wonder if we need it for FFP? We do need it. MON says it in nearly every interview. He mentions it when asked about the transfer situation. Be difficult not to considering it shapes so much of what we do......
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