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Post by mrcoke on Jan 23, 2021 23:36:46 GMT
FFP is no excuse for accepting joke offers. He’s worth 20m and selling him for a penny less would be criminal. FFP shouldn't come into this, he has a long contract and our rich owners can hold out as long as the manager wants him. If he goes it will be MON wanting to spend the cash. FFP has to come into it. Given a choice between taking the money to buy a decent striker and avoid a points deduction, I would take the money. It might even be a case of taking the money simply to avoid a points deduction, I'm not ITK on Stoke's current finances, but we still have >30 expensive players on the books and no gate revenue. Even selling to be able to buy a striker should be considered, but that is risky.
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Post by potterpaul on Jan 23, 2021 23:37:28 GMT
Really can’t see him going to Burnley mind. He’s better than that already. I wouldn't be surprised if Man U renew their interest.
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Post by potterburt on Jan 23, 2021 23:38:39 GMT
Why wouldn’t there be truth? I honestly think he could be world class if his career goes how it should. Nathan Collins will play champions league in 3 or 4 years time. He needs a season at centre half first though. I think he will end up at Liverpool to replace van Dyke who will go to one of the Mainland European giants If only instead it was to one of those Seafaring giants!
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Post by andystokey on Jan 23, 2021 23:39:06 GMT
FFP shouldn't come into this, he has a long contract and our rich owners can hold out as long as the manager wants him. If he goes it will be MON wanting to spend the cash. FFP has to come into it. Given a choice between taking the money to buy a decent striker and avoid a points deduction, I would take the money. It might even be a case of taking the money simply to avoid a points deduction, I'm not ITK on Stoke's current finances, but we still have >30 expensive players on the books and no gate revenue. Even selling to be able to buy a striker should be considered, but that is risky. The gate revenue is a Covid right off. We don't have to sell to avoid a points deduction and buying a striker in this window after yesterday is a total waste of money.
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Jan 23, 2021 23:39:14 GMT
This be sad if true, I’ve never seen us or thought of us as being a selling club. We haven’t been able to sell anyone of worth (bar the exception of Butland) in the past... what?.... 10 years? Arnautovic?
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Post by potterpaul on Jan 23, 2021 23:39:38 GMT
It'll be interesting to see our views on where Conner Taylor sits with his development
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Post by potterburt on Jan 23, 2021 23:41:22 GMT
This be sad if true, I’ve never seen us or thought of us as being a selling club. We haven’t been able to sell anyone of worth (bar the exception of Butland) in the past... what?.... 10 years? Arnautovic? He wanted out - and him and his his agent were having hissy fits - totally had to go. We didn’t need to.
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Post by potterpaul on Jan 23, 2021 23:44:38 GMT
He wanted out - and him and his his agent were having hissy fits - totally had to go. We didn’t need to. Thats not the argument you put forward though was it
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Post by potterburt on Jan 23, 2021 23:45:32 GMT
FFP shouldn't come into this, he has a long contract and our rich owners can hold out as long as the manager wants him. If he goes it will be MON wanting to spend the cash. FFP has to come into it. Given a choice between taking the money to buy a decent striker and avoid a points deduction, I would take the money. It might even be a case of taking the money simply to avoid a points deduction, I'm not ITK on Stoke's current finances, but we still have >30 expensive players on the books and no gate revenue. Even selling to be able to buy a striker should be considered, but that is risky. MoN has already said in interviews that the only interest in our players is for some of our younger ones. If the board said to a manager - we really want to let Collins go for this tasty xx amount and it will give you xx to do what you really want to do in the market now - it’s not hard to fathom that it would all be sanctioned
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Post by gaznandi on Jan 23, 2021 23:46:21 GMT
FFP shouldn't come into this, he has a long contract and our rich owners can hold out as long as the manager wants him. If he goes it will be MON wanting to spend the cash. He was trying to flog Campbell all off season, so yes I know you have a flaccid cock for the manager but wasn't it MON who persuaded Campbell to stay?
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Post by potterburt on Jan 23, 2021 23:46:27 GMT
He wanted out - and him and his his agent were having hissy fits - totally had to go. We didn’t need to. Thats not the argument you put forward though was it I made no argument, I didn’t mention Arnautovic - you did. Oh and it seems you wanted an argument? 🤦🏻♂️ what’s your point?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 23, 2021 23:48:06 GMT
It makes no financial sense. £10m in a January window or add 20 more games into him for the summer window. Or a season at CB next year he's worth £25m. Would you sell something for £10m of you knew you could double it in a year. If he stays and we are promoted next year you can pick your figure. It would be total madness. Tony Scholes ...
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Post by potterpaul on Jan 23, 2021 23:49:15 GMT
Thats not the argument you put forward though was it I made no argument, I didn’t mention Arnautovic - you did. Oh and it seems you wanted an argument? 🤦🏻♂️ what’s your point? I never mentioned Arnie🤣 You're just fucked in the head
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Post by potterburt on Jan 23, 2021 23:53:35 GMT
I made no argument, I didn’t mention Arnautovic - you did. Oh and it seems you wanted an argument? 🤦🏻♂️ what’s your point? I never mentioned Arnie🤣 You're just fucked in the head Oh no, so you didn’t 👏🏼 - you are still yet to make a point , guess you just want to argue then pedanticpaul? 💪
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Post by potterburt on Jan 23, 2021 23:54:57 GMT
I never mentioned Arnie🤣 You're just fucked in the head Oh no, so you didn’t 👏🏼 - you are still yet to make a point , guess you just want to argue then pedanticpaul? 💪 Oh and forgot to mention. - just bit of a horrid person too? Who randomly says to people they are Fucked in the head? Really?
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Post by LankyPotter on Jan 24, 2021 0:01:26 GMT
No he won’t. Be realistic. He'll play champions league football in his career 100 %. I didn’t say that though. He won’t be worth £40m next summer, Fact.
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Post by potterpaul on Jan 24, 2021 0:02:07 GMT
Oh no, so you didn’t 👏🏼 - you are still yet to make a point , guess you just want to argue then pedanticpaul? 💪 Oh and forgot to mention. - just bit of a horrid person too? Who randomly says to people they are Fucked in the head? Really? Anytime 👍
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Post by LankyPotter on Jan 24, 2021 0:02:20 GMT
How old is Jay Rodders now? Could a possible fee and trade work?
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Post by onionman on Jan 24, 2021 0:02:57 GMT
To put this suggested fee into context, £10 million is what we have paid in wages to any player who we decided should keep their premier league wages of £60k per week when we got relegated.
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Post by themistocles on Jan 24, 2021 0:05:09 GMT
He'll play champions league football in his career 100 %. I didn’t say that though. He won’t be worth £40m next summer, Fact. We get promoted with him at the center of our defence then he'll me valued at £40m
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Post by jarhead on Jan 24, 2021 0:06:05 GMT
No We should be building the back four around him next season. This exactly As a centre-back not pissing him about at right-back.
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Post by LankyPotter on Jan 24, 2021 0:09:43 GMT
I didn’t say that though. He won’t be worth £40m next summer, Fact. We get promoted with him at the center of our defence then he'll me valued at £40m Okay, but is that realistic?
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Post by themistocles on Jan 24, 2021 0:12:56 GMT
We get promoted with him at the center of our defence then he'll me valued at £40m Okay, but is that realistic? Promotion should be our minimum target next year. Its very much realistic in my opinion
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Post by potterburt on Jan 24, 2021 0:15:47 GMT
Oh and forgot to mention. - just bit of a horrid person too? Who randomly says to people they are Fucked in the head? Really? Anytime 👍 Awww bless 😂 😢
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2021 0:20:01 GMT
We get promoted with him at the center of our defence then he'll me valued at £40m Okay, but is that realistic? Yes. He needs fine tuning at centre half. If only we had a player with 400 odd appearances to his name, mostly in the PL, where he kept the world's best at bay on more than one occasion, to mentor him.
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Post by followyoudown on Jan 24, 2021 0:26:06 GMT
FFP has to come into it. Given a choice between taking the money to buy a decent striker and avoid a points deduction, I would take the money. It might even be a case of taking the money simply to avoid a points deduction, I'm not ITK on Stoke's current finances, but we still have >30 expensive players on the books and no gate revenue. Even selling to be able to buy a striker should be considered, but that is risky. The gate revenue is a Covid right off. We don't have to sell to avoid a points deduction and buying a striker in this window after yesterday is a total waste of money. On ffp there are also exceptions for covid related losses on player values so I think we have scope to write some of the dross off, I think FFP means we are having to be careful rather than worry about a points deduction otherwise some of the signings would make no sense Brown, Doughty, Mikel, Chester, Gunn on loan as although they are good players we could have got by withhout them all as none would make that big a difference to a promotion bid to risk a points deducton.
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Post by LankyPotter on Jan 24, 2021 0:29:58 GMT
Okay, but is that realistic? Promotion should be our minimum target next year. Its very much realistic in my opinion I’m not saying thst it shouldn’t be the target but its not necessarily realistic. Even then £40m is excessive.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 24, 2021 0:42:00 GMT
Why are we playing Chester at CB instead of Collins? Astoundingly dumb decision.
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Post by banksisgod on Jan 24, 2021 0:44:56 GMT
I suppose we should have expected that the chatter around Collins would begin at some point. If these reports are true, I expect that O'Neill is in his ear, trying everything to get him to commit, at least until the end of the season. One would think that whatever medium-term plan M.O'N has for the team/squad, and whatever ambition he has for promotion, if not this year, then certainly next, Collins will be central to all of it. If, however, Collins's head is turned by the speculation, and becomes "unsettled", you can forget the Burnley's of this world... Man. Utd will be all over it like a rash.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jan 24, 2021 0:55:04 GMT
If Collins played for Brentford the papers would be doubling that price. Ridiculous. He could walk into any premier league defence for me. 10 million? Fuck off. We gave Burnley nearly that much for sam vokes
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