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Post by theonlooker on Jan 24, 2021 8:40:39 GMT
We do need it. MON says it in nearly every interview. He mentions it when asked about the transfer situation. Be difficult not to considering it shapes so much of what we do...... I wasn't criticising him. You can stand down.
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Post by jeycov on Jan 24, 2021 8:44:18 GMT
MON persuaded Campbell to stay, giving him more opportunities to play, probably a much better contract. Maybe Collins is expressing how dissatisfied he is at RB? Do we move him to CB , improve his contract? Most unlikely to be in a relegation fight🤞so could be a master stroke by O’Neil
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 24, 2021 8:45:37 GMT
He mentions it when asked about the transfer situation. Be difficult not to considering it shapes so much of what we do...... I wasn't criticising him. You can stand down. I didn’t say you were chief. You can stand down.....
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 24, 2021 8:48:36 GMT
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Post by questionable on Jan 24, 2021 8:48:46 GMT
He'll be worth 40 million next summer. I worry our financial situation could force us to sell our star assets for less than their worth. Regardless of our financial position would you trust Scholes??
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Post by pottersrule on Jan 24, 2021 8:57:46 GMT
No he won’t. Be realistic. He'll play champions league football in his career 100 %. He has the potential too,but I would be very surprised if it was with Burnley.
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Post by pottersrule on Jan 24, 2021 9:01:22 GMT
I didn’t say that though. He won’t be worth £40m next summer, Fact. We get promoted with him at the center of our defence then he'll me valued at £40m Both of those scenarios are very unlikely.
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Post by Trouserdog on Jan 24, 2021 9:05:30 GMT
It's obvious that Collins is destined for the top at some point- you can see him playing for a top 4 side in a few years.
Sadly, we don't hold any of the cards at all here. Collins might be under contract but we've seen what happens once players start making noises about wanting to move. There's no way we should accept £10m, but in a deflated market and the pressure of FFP still over us, you can see how £15m with add-ons might start to look very tempting.
Burnley would still be getting an absolute bargain at that price.
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Post by numpty40 on Jan 24, 2021 9:07:45 GMT
He'll be worth 40 million next summer. I worry our financial situation could force us to sell our star assets for less than their worth. No he won’t. Be realistic. It's not that unrealistic to be fair, Nathan Ake cost £40m last summer, I wouldn't say he was four times the player that Collins is.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 24, 2021 9:08:17 GMT
Burnley centre-halves do tend to get noticed - because they have to do so much defending and they're so well protected. So it is a possible stepping stone.
I think he could do better though.
A Prem move is surely coming in the next 2-3 yrs (unless we go up in that time). Does he want the immediate wage rise and Prem football, or can he wait? He isn't 20 until April and is playing every week at a good level.
If it comes down to it, realistically he's probably not going to turn down any Prem move, even if Burnley are the Mini Metro of Prem moves.
For a 19yo under contract for another 3 and a half years though, I think we need to ask for marginally more, even in this climate - unless FFP is really, really pressing
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Post by 1982stokie on Jan 24, 2021 9:09:12 GMT
Surly the Ball is in our court, he his under a decent contract so if they want him 10 mill is way off, every other player from the Championship that gets interest fro the Prem seems to have a 20 or 30 million price tag, so why does playing for Stoke drive his price down
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Post by christhepotter on Jan 24, 2021 9:14:57 GMT
If teams know we’re struggling with ffp that would decrease is value also as they know we’re desperate to avoid points deduction or fine
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jan 24, 2021 9:23:04 GMT
Tell Burnley they can have him for £10m but they must give us the money back for Vokes too.
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Post by Gods on Jan 24, 2021 9:24:01 GMT
Burnley centre-halves do tend to get noticed - because they have to do so much defending and they're so well protected. So it is a possible stepping stone. I think he could do better though. A Prem move is surely coming in the next 2-3 yrs (unless we go up in that time). Does he want the immediate wage rise and Prem football, or can he wait? He isn't 20 until April and is playing every week at a good level. If it comes down to it, realistically he's probably not going to turn down any Prem move, even if Burnley are the Mini Metro of Prem moves. For a 19yo under contract for another 3 and a half years though, I think we need to ask for marginally more, even in this climate - unless FFP is really, really pressing It's a good point, not much defending to do if you play for Man City.
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Post by neddy on Jan 24, 2021 9:30:08 GMT
It’s a tricky one isn’t it. If we have to sell assets to avoid ffp sanction and he is the only asset attracting a bid we have a real decision to make? If it’s a necessity to avoid points deduction then we have to do it don’t we. It’s not a question of having loads of money it doesn’t wash if we have to comply to balance the books.
If on the other hand say we needed £5m to balance the books and £5m could be reinvested by the end of the window to give us a tilt at the play offs would you take it? Say a right back and striker?
I hate to lose good young players but until we were in the prem and even before it always happened didn’t it! Indeed if a player wants to leave see Arnie it’s nigh on impossible to stop it.
So which scenario may this purported sale fall into?
- player wants move now.....doubt it as playing regularly. - we need all the fee to protect against ffp? - we need some of the fee re ffp and some to spend? - we don’t need to sell as we are already ok and level re ffp.
I think it depends which it is as to how the club may proceed?
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Post by shrewspotter on Jan 24, 2021 9:39:14 GMT
Tell Burnley they can have him for £10m but they must give us the money back for Vokes too. yes to think that we could have potentially got in Vokes and shipped out Collins for equal terms is mind boggling Personally I think we could get more, I think we should hold out until the summer at least and there is better places than Burnley to play football even if it means we lose him to Arsenal
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Post by realstokebloke on Jan 24, 2021 9:46:21 GMT
Is there a middle finger emoji?
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Post by robwahlmann on Jan 24, 2021 9:47:46 GMT
No less than £15M + add ons for games, and also 20% of further sales I'd say!
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Post by march4 on Jan 24, 2021 9:49:44 GMT
A lot will depend on how close we are to promotion this season.
If it looks like we will make a real go of it next year then I think he will stay. If this season carries on in the same vein of the past dozen games then I think any ambitious player will be desperate to leave.
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Post by Squeekster on Jan 24, 2021 9:54:56 GMT
How times have changed if Arsenal are set to miss out on a player with Burnley.
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Post by nonameface on Jan 24, 2021 10:01:40 GMT
Buendia is rated at £40m, he's got more experience and plays in a position that demands higher fees.
That said Collins is 5 years younger, in the same division (for now) and ooozes class. If the fee is £10m it would need serious add ons and sell on fees which should make Burnley want to pay more money so they don't have to give as much away when he reaches his potential.
Get covid impacts prices but Adam Webster went for £20m 18 months ago after one season in the championship and at the age of 24.
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Post by raythesailor on Jan 24, 2021 10:06:15 GMT
I just don’t see Burnley as a step up.
Sideways maybe.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jan 24, 2021 10:09:26 GMT
Quite possibly, but that doesn't mean that when he is only 20 or 21 he will be worth £40 million as a defender. Can you name any world defenders who were sold for £40 million aged 21? You don't have to sell him at 21 do you. If you highlight someone with the potential to be a major saleable asset to you, you don't sell him at the first bit of interest. John stones/ Ben White.. True but I was replying to the comment earlier on the thread that he would be worth £40 million in 18 months time. I simply doubt that figure AT THAT TIME - he may or may not be worth that one day. It is a bit unfortunate that proboards deletes the earlier posts on quoted threads.
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Post by xchpotter on Jan 24, 2021 10:13:02 GMT
Tell Burnley they can have him for £10m but they must give us the money back for Vokes too. .....and take him back and cover his contract.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 24, 2021 10:13:53 GMT
I just don’t see Burnley as a step up. Sideways maybe. Long term it may not be. Right now it indisputably is.
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Post by EccyStokie on Jan 24, 2021 10:18:32 GMT
I just don’t see Burnley as a step up. Sideways maybe. At this moment it’s quite literally a step up. Next season or two, maybe not
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Post by daviddunn on Jan 24, 2021 10:25:17 GMT
What are we the poundshop
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Post by daz2631 on Jan 24, 2021 10:28:06 GMT
Now saying man utd and Palace interested on 72.com
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Post by tosh on Jan 24, 2021 10:30:13 GMT
Tell Burnley they can have him for £10m but they must give us the money back for Vokes too. .....and take him back and cover his contract. ....there is a precedent. Sounds like the Crouch/ Palacios deal with Spurs
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jan 24, 2021 10:32:27 GMT
Surely man United will be in for him soon anyway. Fletcher is coaching there now. He knows all about him.
He'd get into that man utd defence NOW
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