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Post by skemstokie on Feb 6, 2021 9:45:49 GMT
He’s Tom Ince with a better work rate and probably a sounder dad. Barnsley fans told us he’s a crap striker but was decent on the wing. Why O’Neill believes he’s a striker is beyond me. Perhaps he sees him as at best fill in striker when needs must,don`t think he sees him as a long term solutions.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Feb 6, 2021 9:50:48 GMT
He’s Tom Ince with a better work rate and probably a sounder dad. Barnsley fans told us he’s a crap striker but was decent on the wing. Why O’Neill believes he’s a striker is beyond me. Perhaps he sees him as a best fill in striker when needs must,don`t think he sees him as a long term solutions. That's not what the manager said yesterday, it's clear he thinks his best position is a striker, have a listen.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2021 10:02:15 GMT
He’s Tom Ince with a better work rate and probably a sounder dad. Barnsley fans told us he’s a crap striker but was decent on the wing. Why O’Neill believes he’s a striker is beyond me. Perhaps he sees him as a best fill in striker when needs must,don`t think he sees him as a long term solutions. i think thats what he was signed as, if Campbell and Fletcher had been fit all season he would only get a few sub appearances
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Post by march4 on Feb 6, 2021 10:12:40 GMT
Perhaps he sees him as a best fill in striker when needs must,don`t think he sees him as a long term solutions. That's not what the manager said yesterday, it's clear he thinks his best position is a striker, have a listen. In which case I fear we will be looking for a new manager at the end of the season.
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Post by miltonstokienew on Feb 6, 2021 10:14:56 GMT
That's not what the manager said yesterday, it's clear he thinks his best position is a striker, have a listen. In which case I fear we will be looking for a new manager at the end of the season. You think Jacob Brown will get the manager sacked?
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Post by march4 on Feb 6, 2021 10:16:49 GMT
In which case I fear we will be looking for a new manager at the end of the season. You think Jacob Brown will get the manager sacked? I think our current form will which is in part due to Brown playing up front.
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Post by scubastevetokie on Feb 6, 2021 10:24:41 GMT
You think Jacob Brown will get the manager sacked? I think our current form will which is in part due to Brown playing up front. I think many of us have forgot what MON has done in the short time he has been with the club! I think the last 3 years have also proved the lottery of appointing a new manager is something our board are not that great at!!! So all in all I think descent with regard MON is stupidity of the highest order! Or am I looking at things with hindsight rather than looking at our performances over the last 5-8 games 🙄
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Post by miltonstokienew on Feb 6, 2021 10:26:57 GMT
You think Jacob Brown will get the manager sacked? I think our current form will which is in part due to Brown playing up front. The manager is going nowhere
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 6, 2021 10:32:45 GMT
He's no worse than McClean plus he's young and still has time to improve He actually is much worse to be honest! If you can't see that you can't be watching the same games as I do. He can't create, he can't hold the ball up, he doesn't get past defenders, his passing is really awful and I really can't see any positives about his game apart from his hard work. Unfortunately this isn't enough for an attacking player and we need to offload as soon as possible in my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2021 10:35:24 GMT
The rush to condemn this lad is baffling. How does it help? Give him time to develop and indeed to be played in his best position and who knows it might even help the club we all profess to support !! Rubbish, if he hasn't got it now he'll never have it, admit it, it was a crap signing by MON crap player, crap signing...or crap supporter?
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Post by theteacher on Feb 6, 2021 10:40:29 GMT
I tend to agree with comments made that Jacob Brown isn’t a very good striker and IF (big IF) he is to develop into a useful player it can only be as a winger - he just doesn’t seem to have what it takes to be a decent striker at this level.
In my opinion I believe that the way manager is setting up is a problem. Brown as a striker is one issue and another is sometimes playing Vokes (who I don’t rate) as a lone striker too - just a crazy decision IF (again a big IF) Vokes is to contribute anything it has to be in a front two with two wide players putting crosses into the box.
This 433 formation just doesn’t suit the players that we have at this time and just like the diamond didn’t suit Mad Nathan’s squad. Just my opinion. I like MON and in no way am I calling for him to be replaced (I like him) but we do need to see progression in how we setup to get the best out of the players we have. I just don’t think he is doing that at the moment. There will come a point in time where decisions on formation and player utilisation will either be the making of the manager or it will be his downfall. MON has credit in the bank but the balance is reducing and unless replenished by the end of next season (I am most hopeful it will) then there could be a problem looming. But at least we have a likeable man-manager in MON.
McClean is another victim of the formation - love him or loath him, he is not a wide forward in a 433 and he is not a suited to being one of the 3 across the midfield. Give 100% in any position he is asked to play but like Vokes (who I don’t rate) is suited best to a simple 442 or a 4411 formation. One for MON to resolve.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2021 10:43:01 GMT
He’s Tom Ince with a better work rate and probably a sounder dad. Barnsley fans told us he’s a crap striker but was decent on the wing. Why O’Neill believes he’s a striker is beyond me. Perhaps he sees him as a best fill in striker when needs must,don`t think he sees him as a long term solutions. He's been thrown the unwelcome task of filling the part that was intended for Campbell, and with the number nine also frequently failing, he's further been tasked with that job at times too. Instead of gradually making the grade in a higher division he's been asked to climb a mountain in record time. With Stoke's notoriously ungrateful supporters he was doomed to fail and it seems he already has though he's barely started the climb.
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 6, 2021 10:44:21 GMT
Rubbish, if he hasn't got it now he'll never have it, admit it, it was a crap signing by MON crap player, crap signing...or crap supporter? I go for the two first! Every manager makes a bad signing or two, even TP did that, but people must be allowed to express an opinion about a player who clearly isn't up for it. I think we all support Brown when he is playing, but still he has done nothing to convince me the money we spent on him was well invested.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2021 10:49:46 GMT
crap player, crap signing...or crap supporter? I go for the two first! Every manager makes a bad signing or two, even TP did that, but people must be allowed to express an opinion about a player who clearly isn't up for it. I think we all support Brown when he is playing, but still he has done nothing to convince me the money we spent on him was well invested. Of course you can, but you can choose better language to describe a young player. That's why I was mocking the OP.
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 6, 2021 11:09:48 GMT
I go for the two first! Every manager makes a bad signing or two, even TP did that, but people must be allowed to express an opinion about a player who clearly isn't up for it. I think we all support Brown when he is playing, but still he has done nothing to convince me the money we spent on him was well invested. Of course you can, but you can choose better language to describe a young player. That's why I was mocking the OP. Fair enough, but can we agree he isn't requiered standard?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2021 11:19:40 GMT
He's no worse than McClean plus he's young and still has time to improve He actually is much worse to be honest! If you can't see that you can't be watching the same games as I do. He can't create, he can't hold the ball up, he doesn't get past defenders, his passing is really awful and I really can't see any positives about his game apart from his hard work. Unfortunately this isn't enough for an attacking player and we need to offload as soon as possible in my opinion. You do realise you have just described McClean who gets lauded for his effort but limited ability whereas Brown gets nothing but stick.
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 6, 2021 11:26:10 GMT
He actually is much worse to be honest! If you can't see that you can't be watching the same games as I do. He can't create, he can't hold the ball up, he doesn't get past defenders, his passing is really awful and I really can't see any positives about his game apart from his hard work. Unfortunately this isn't enough for an attacking player and we need to offload as soon as possible in my opinion. You do realise you have just described McClean who gets lauded for his effort but limited ability whereas Brown gets nothing but stick. I'm absolutely no big fan of McClean, but still think he is miles better than Brown. My hope for next season is that they both will be gone! Hopefully Doughty will be the left midfielder/winger we have been waiting for. Brown isn't close to being good enough in my opinion and shouldn't even be our back up solution. Maybe McClean could fill such a role at least, but I'd prefer to offload and bring a younger player in.
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Post by march4 on Feb 6, 2021 11:26:43 GMT
I think our current form will which is in part due to Brown playing up front. I think many of us have forgot what MON has done in the short time he has been with the club! I think the last 3 years have also proved the lottery of appointing a new manager is something our board are not that great at!!! So all in all I think descent with regard MON is stupidity of the highest order! Or am I looking at things with hindsight rather than looking at our performances over the last 5-8 games 🙄 Our form for the past 12 games would put us in the relegation zone if it had been from the start of the season. The other way at looking at MON’s impact is that his ideas were positive to begin with but once the players became familiar with his methods we have slid back to the relegation form of the previous regime. We simply cannot carry on like this beyond this season. MON has an even more difficult task now than when he first joined the club. Any new leader has a honeymoon period. MON has made the most of his but the honeymoon is over now. Many leaders in all walks of life fail at the point when the honeymoon goes. Can MON turns things round from within his established leadership? I certainly hope so because the last thing we need is to be worrying about the future. And I like MON. He comes across as a decent, intelligent person.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2021 11:36:11 GMT
I think our current form will which is in part due to Brown playing up front. The manager is going nowhere The fact this even has to be stated is laughable.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2021 11:52:03 GMT
I think many of us have forgot what MON has done in the short time he has been with the club! I think the last 3 years have also proved the lottery of appointing a new manager is something our board are not that great at!!! So all in all I think descent with regard MON is stupidity of the highest order! Or am I looking at things with hindsight rather than looking at our performances over the last 5-8 games 🙄 Our form for the past 12 games would put us in the relegation zone if it had been from the start of the season. The other way at looking at MON’s impact is that his ideas were positive to begin with but once the players became familiar with his methods we have slid back to the relegation form of the previous regime. We simply cannot carry on like this beyond this season. MON has an even more difficult task now than when he first joined the club. Any new leader has a honeymoon period. MON has made the most of his but the honeymoon is over now. Many leaders in all walks of life fail at the point when the honeymoon goes. Can MON turns things round from within his established leadership? I certainly hope so because the last thing we need is to be worrying about the future. And I like MON. He comes across as a decent, intelligent person. It’s not really true that any new leader has a honeymoon period. Pulis certainly did not have that with Sheff Wed for example. Stoke fans are desperate for urgent success, but the truth is we are currently a mid table Championship team and will have good and bad spells. We have some great players, but also a severe lack of quality in depth across other areas. Unless we start plummeting, I personally expect him to be here for another 3-5 years.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2021 11:56:05 GMT
You do realise you have just described McClean who gets lauded for his effort but limited ability whereas Brown gets nothing but stick. I'm absolutely no big fan of McClean, but still think he is miles better than Brown. My hope for next season is that they both will be gone! Hopefully Doughty will be the left midfielder/winger we have been waiting for. Brown isn't close to being good enough in my opinion and shouldn't even be our back up solution. Maybe McClean could fill such a role at least, but I'd prefer to offload and bring a younger player in. I’d be amazed if we could get rid of either to be honest. I would like McClean to be more of a squad player next season though and less of an automatic pick. I think his drive could be very effective versus tired legs. I still think Brown is too lightweight for the type of solo striker role we give him. He needs to have the ball played in front of him, rather than trying to play the Fletcher role.
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Post by theonlooker on Feb 6, 2021 11:57:04 GMT
Jacob Brown isn't a good striker at the moment but there are a few bits and bobs that he does that gives hope for development. The game at Coventry for example, he showed some fine footwork in and around the box to create a few chances in the channels and in the box. Very small pickings at the moment but in a normal season, with normal time on the training ground, you can see very small parts of his game that can be developed.
People were saying this about Thompson last year when some were asking for patience. He has improved a bit this season and again, still has room to improve further. I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that Thompson will be a top end Championship player in a few years time. Brown I think is a bit behind the curve, especially since he's being moved positions from where we signed him, whereas Thompson is more settled.
This season was always going to be tough to develop players more quickly, where large parts of the season are no doubt taken over by a repetitive Saturday-Tuesday-Saturday-Wednesday routine dominated by match prep, match recovery and rest. More so than normal.
Give him time from our side before writing him off.
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 6, 2021 12:09:13 GMT
Jacob Brown isn't a good striker at the moment but there are a few bits and bobs that he does that gives hope for development. The game at Coventry for example, he showed some fine footwork in and around the box to create a few chances in the channels and in the box. Very small pickings at the moment but in a normal season, with normal time on the training ground, you can see very small parts of his game that can be developed. People were saying this about Thompson last year when some were asking for patience. He has improved a bit this season and again, still has room to improve further. I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that Thompson will be a top end Championship player in a few years time. Brown I think is a bit behind the curve, especially since he's being moved positions from where we signed him, whereas Thompson is more settled.
This season was always going to be tough to develop players more quickly, where large parts of the season are no doubt taken over by a repetitive Saturday-Tuesday-Saturday-Wednesday routine dominated by match prep, match recovery and rest. More so than normal. Give him time from our side before writing him off.
Even in Thompson's first games you could see he was decent on the ball and had a good left foot. I try the best I can to look for any quality in Brown, but must admit any skills are hard to spot. He is 22 and has already played a season at this level before coming to Stoke, but it really doesn't look like that.
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Post by louis11 on Feb 6, 2021 13:20:49 GMT
jacob Brown is Martin Carruthers re-incarnated
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Post by franklin on Feb 6, 2021 13:46:16 GMT
You think Jacob Brown will get the manager sacked? I think our current form will which is in part due to Brown playing up front. I'm not sure the pressure of fans will improve him if anything he'll collapse under the strain of 20k groans.
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Post by march4 on Feb 6, 2021 14:09:23 GMT
I think our current form will which is in part due to Brown playing up front. The manager is going nowhere He will be gone at the end of the season if our current relegation form continues until then. Let’s hope it doesn’t. We need stability.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2021 14:23:20 GMT
Of course you can, but you can choose better language to describe a young player. That's why I was mocking the OP. Fair enough, but can we agree he isn't requiered standard? It's too soon tp judge him. If he was third choice coming on as an impact sub he could be useful. But instead he's been forced to be the main act and for that he is not at this point the required - but that's not his fault.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2021 17:02:01 GMT
He's definitely won a competition.
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Post by christhepotter on Feb 6, 2021 17:04:52 GMT
He's definitely won a competition. A great run towards the box then he falls over the ball 🤦♂️🤣
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Feb 6, 2021 17:06:41 GMT
He's definitely won a competition. A great run towards the box then he falls over the ball 🤦♂️🤣 WRONG!!!! The ball fouled him & the referee didnt get the card out
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