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Post by metalhead on Oct 19, 2022 16:36:17 GMT
One anecdote means next to nothing……  Me and you often agree on things, as I know you tend to lean to the left but you're miles off with this mate Let me guess, straight white working class males are not remotely marginalized at all? They should check their privilege. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 19, 2022 16:43:14 GMT
One anecdote means next to nothing…… Me and you often agree on things, as I know you tend to lean to the left but you're miles off with this mate Let me guess, straight white working class males are not remotely marginalized at all? They should check their privilege. Come into Manchester mate one night with the homeless charity I volunteer with, I’ll introduce you to a couple of trans people who have been dealt the shittiest hand possible in life, they have been used, abused and totally let down by society. There’s no proms and frilly wedding dresses for them trust me…… |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Oct 19, 2022 17:46:38 GMT
One anecdote means next to nothing…… Me and you often agree on things, as I know you tend to lean to the left but you're miles off with this mate Let me guess, straight white working class males are not remotely marginalized at all? They should check their privilege. Aren't straight, white, working class males statistically the most disadvantaged and neglected kids in the country right now? Ie less go to University etc than any other grouping. It's a national scandal that our nation's own have been totally left on the scrap heap by both major parties in this country. More apprenticeships and schemes for those that aren't academics would be a start. |
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Post by thewonderstuff on Oct 19, 2022 20:45:11 GMT
JK Rowling is fast becoming an absolute rock star and an ally of those with basic common sense. Graham Norton on the other hand, is your typical example of an establishment figure pretending to fight for justice of the self-titled 'marginalized' (LGBTQ, Trans etc) groups in our society. The Huffington Post are a particularly unpleasant group of characters when writing about those they don't like, a bit like the Guardian really. Nothing like a group of male journalists taking pops at a powerful woman in JK Rowling though, love it. On the face of it, one of the core aims of 'Cancel Culture' appears to involve censoring either those who lean towards a more conservative value system or the media output associated with their name. Graham Norton can claim that cancel culture doesn't exist, because he's never likely to be cancelled. He's an openly homosexual man, who loudly shouts for the LGBTQ side of any debate. He's got about as much chance of being cancelled, as he has of developing some actual talent in his later years after a 30 year career playing off the fact he's openly camp. Cancel me  Norton also wildly misses the point when he refers to John Cleese: "I've been cancelled" and goes onto 'moan about being cancelled'. Censoring someone's methods of broadcasting their opinion is not the same as 'cancelling someone'. You can't cancel someone's opinion. You can cancel someone's ability to perform or earn their living. That said, I think what has happened to Tommy (The Tit) Robinson should serve as a warning to anyone who wants to stray too far from the line. The guy might be a raging gaping arsehole, but the way he has been targeted by larger media organizations should concern us all. If they spunked as much money tackling some of the other horrors in society, as they do on Tommy Robinson, perhaps they might not happen in the first place. Back to John Cleese though, he is speaking almost exclusively about his media output, effectively his main source of income, television shows and comedy performances etc. His output can indeed be cancelled when a bunch of middle class zealots decide to attack the venue, for example, thus resulting in a cancellation. JK Rowling has suffered the same treatment repeatedly, and the fact she continues to tell people to go fuck themselves is why she's an absolute fucking rock star for all of us. Where was Cleese claiming he'd been cancelled this time? From his twitter account with 6M followers? On BBC radio's flagship news radio show broadcasting to 7M people or on his own TV show? |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 19, 2022 20:47:36 GMT
Me and you often agree on things, as I know you tend to lean to the left but you're miles off with this mate Let me guess, straight white working class males are not remotely marginalized at all? They should check their privilege. Aren't straight, white, working class males statistically the most disadvantaged and neglected kids in the country right now? Ie less go to University etc than any other grouping. It's a national scandal that our nation's own have been totally left on the scrap heap by both major parties in this country. More apprenticeships and schemes for those that aren't academics would be a start. "Our nation's own" Wow. |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Oct 19, 2022 20:57:49 GMT
Aren't straight, white, working class males statistically the most disadvantaged and neglected kids in the country right now? Ie less go to University etc than any other grouping. It's a national scandal that our nation's own have been totally left on the scrap heap by both major parties in this country. More apprenticeships and schemes for those that aren't academics would be a start. "Our nation's own" Wow. It's shocking isn't it. Working class guys who were born in this country are currently the least privileged in this country. Why do you think that is? |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 19, 2022 21:16:42 GMT
It's shocking isn't it. Working class guys who were born in this country are currently the least privileged in this country. Why do you think that is? You forgot "straight, white" as being part of the qualification for "our nation's own". |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Oct 20, 2022 1:45:53 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2022 2:06:36 GMT
Social mobility (or lack thereof) is an awful problem in UK culture. I did only scan those articles briefly, but I didn’t see any information on a person’s sexuality. Perhaps I missed it. Also, while there’s a better chance of going to higher education if you are working class and of non-white ethnicity, you are about twice as likely to be working class if you are non-white as well. “According to a study on Health Equity in England, in 2018, 50% of all Bangladeshis and 46% of all Pakistanis were in the most deprived fifth of the population after meeting housing costs, compared with 20% of all white British people. In 2018/19, the Social Metric Commission found that 46% of black African and Caribbean people and 32% of those with a mixed ethnic heritage were in poverty compared with 19% of white British people. Within disabled groups, 40% of disabled ethnic minority adults compared with 23% of white British disabled adults lived in poverty.” With regards to education: “By May 2020, the unemployment rate among black young people rose to 35% as compared with 13% for their white counterparts. Employment also fell by 6.6 % among black young people compared to 3.5 % among white young people. Although they had higher-levels of education participation, black and Asian young people who were economically active (and therefore not in full-time study) continued to face a more difficult time in the labour market.” irr.org.uk/research/statistics/poverty/ |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 20, 2022 7:42:04 GMT
Not misrepresenting anything. You wrote it! It's telling that you consider "straight, white, working class males" as "our nation's own". This is why things like Stonewall, BLM etc exist, to point out the automatic, unthinking prejudice that exists in the minds of lots of people. For the record, I don't think you're homophobic or racist. But the point is that all those people who wish things like Stonewall, BLM whatever would just go away because they're agitators who just stir up shit, which has been said in various forms many times on here, can maybe, just maybe, see why they do exist, when the kind of unthinking bias and prejudice evidenced in your post is so common. That's the point. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 20, 2022 8:18:05 GMT
It's not just "white working class" (no idea why you keep mentioning their sexuality?), it's kids from poor, deprived areas in general. That is almost always the common denominator. Radical change in our education system is what's required to give people equality of opportunity (if not equality of outcome), that needs to encompass pre-school education and higher education as well as primary/secondary education....... |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Oct 20, 2022 8:30:07 GMT
It's not just "white working class" (no idea why you keep mentioning their sexuality?), it's kids from poor, deprived areas in general. That is almost always the common denominator. Radical change in our education system is what's required to give people equality of opportunity (if not equality of outcome), that needs to encompass pre-school education and higher education as well as primary/secondary education....... Change is needed in our education system to provide more options for those that aren't academic but more opportunities for those who do not want to stay in education has to be the priority. Education is fine up to a point but there is as much talent coming straight from school than there are from universities, yet grads always get prioritised, even in roles where having said degree is utterly irrelevant - which in itself is a national scandal. Having run a number of grad schemes at my firm this year, I am utterly staggered at the entitlement coming from University grads over those who haven't gone through the University system. The difference in character is often significant. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 20, 2022 8:40:08 GMT
It's not just "white working class" (no idea why you keep mentioning their sexuality?), it's kids from poor, deprived areas in general. That is almost always the common denominator. Radical change in our education system is what's required to give people equality of opportunity (if not equality of outcome), that needs to encompass pre-school education and higher education as well as primary/secondary education....... Change is needed in our education system to provide more options for those that aren't academic but more opportunities for those who do not want to stay in education has to be the priority. Education is fine up to a point but there is as much talent coming straight from school than there are from universities, yet grads always get prioritised, even in roles where having said degree is utterly irrelevant - which in itself is a national scandal. Having run a number of grad schemes at my firm this year, I am utterly staggered at the entitlement coming from University grads over those who haven't gone through the University system. The difference in character is often significant. Absolutely when I say education I'm not just talking academia. Who thought that getting rid of the technical colleges that gave solid trades to people that weren't necessary academic (or simply wanted to choose a different path) would be a good idea? |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Oct 20, 2022 8:42:51 GMT
Change is needed in our education system to provide more options for those that aren't academic but more opportunities for those who do not want to stay in education has to be the priority. Education is fine up to a point but there is as much talent coming straight from school than there are from universities, yet grads always get prioritised, even in roles where having said degree is utterly irrelevant - which in itself is a national scandal. Having run a number of grad schemes at my firm this year, I am utterly staggered at the entitlement coming from University grads over those who haven't gone through the University system. The difference in character is often significant. Absolutely when I say education I'm not just talking academia. Who thought that getting rid of the technical colleges that gave solid trades to people that weren't necessary academic (or simply wanted to choose a different path) would be a good idea? Indeed. |
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Post by mtrstudent on Oct 25, 2022 7:44:11 GMT
Russia says it's not doing cancel culture but then it does this. |
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Post by yeswilko on Oct 25, 2022 14:38:50 GMT
Russia says it's not doing cancel culture but then it does this. I've seen a few clips from Russian tv shows where they're talking horrific shit. That country has some serious issues man. |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jul 20, 2023 8:12:10 GMT
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Post by thevoid on Jul 20, 2023 8:24:57 GMT
I notice that this bank has a drive on 'diversity' (although clearly not diversity of opinion). The irony being that the make up of Farage's Brexit Party was incredibly diverse. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 20, 2023 8:39:49 GMT
Bullshit. Banks are required to regularly perform KYC (Know Your Customer) checks to comply with FCA requirements for money laundering. These checks are even stricter for Politically Exposed Persons (PEP). Farage has denied receiving £450k from Aaron Banks, as well as receiving 500k from Russia via RT. He claims that the money has not come from those sources but not clarified where the money did come from. Red flag followed by red flag, followed by red flag. Jeremy Hunt has also recently commented on the additional work he has to do to keep his bank accounts. It's a very real and necessary part of the system to prevent corruption and is happens in all major economies. The one thing that is for sure is that it's not "the metropolitan elite" that make Farage look dodgy on paper. I mean, come on, this is Coutts we are talking about, the most exclusive bank in the country. Someone who claiming to be a man of the people is complaining he can't no longer can have a bank account with an institution where you need £500k cash. Ooof, facts...! (Although, you do have to wonder about the Russian money that has found its way into the bank accounts of the Conservative Party so readily over the last ten years...) |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jul 20, 2023 8:42:02 GMT
Perfectly explained here mate. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 20, 2023 8:46:21 GMT
Perfectly explained here mate. Poor old Nige got a bit schooled there! His heart sank (you can see it by his slightly nervous smirk) when she quoted the same part of the report right back at him about his account's commercial viability. "They're all woke, they're all remainers, they're all globalists"...sounds like this board lol |
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jul 20, 2023 8:46:36 GMT
Bullshit. Banks are required to regularly perform KYC (Know Your Customer) checks to comply with FCA requirements for money laundering. These checks are even stricter for Politically Exposed Persons (PEP). Farage has denied receiving £450k from Aaron Banks, as well as receiving 500k from Russia via RT. He claims that the money has not come from those sources but not clarified where the money did come from. Red flag followed by red flag, followed by red flag. Jeremy Hunt has also recently commented on the additional work he has to do to keep his bank accounts. It's a very real and necessary part of the system to prevent corruption and is happens in all major economies. The one thing that is for sure is that it's not "the metropolitan elite" that make Farage look dodgy on paper. I mean, come on, this is Coutts we are talking about, the most exclusive bank in the country. Someone who claiming to be a man of the people is complaining he can't no longer can have a bank account with an institution where you need £500k cash. Ooof, facts...! (Although, you do have to wonder about the Russian money that has found its way into the bank accounts of the Conservative Party so readily over the last ten years...) Man who makes career out of telling people 'you're not wanted here' gets told 'you're not wanted here'. You'd have to have a heart of stone not to laugh. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 20, 2023 8:55:34 GMT
Man who makes career out of telling people 'you're not wanted here' gets told 'you're not wanted here'. You'd have to have a heart of stone not to laugh. And let's not forget that when UKIP leader, Farage was very much on the side of businesses having the choice to decide on who to do business with in response to the "gay cake" case that was going through the courts. Surely you're not trying to claim he's nothing more than a populist bandwagon jumper who appeals to the ill-informed lowest common denominator reactionaries! |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jul 20, 2023 9:01:00 GMT
Perfectly explained here mate. A very nicely edited video there mate. Amazing what one can do with a bit of editing isn't it? The report quite clearly references his values and we both know why this account was closed. It's sinister as fuck and I wouldn't want it to happen to anyone, regardless of their political views. Different story with criminal activity and war, clearly. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 20, 2023 9:35:54 GMT
Perfectly explained here mate. A very nicely edited video there mate. Amazing what one can do with a bit of editing isn't it? The report quite clearly references his values and we both know why this account was closed. It's sinister as fuck and I wouldn't want it to happen to anyone, regardless of their political views. Different story with criminal activity and war, clearly. Yes, as she explained, once his mortgage was paid off, his account was not commercially viable. The fact that they think Farage is a cunt no doubt also played a part in their decision. Fair enough. Up to them to decide in a libertarian, free choice society isn't it? Or is libertarianism just a one way thing? It's great when you agree with its outcomes, highly dangerous and sinister when you don't. Eg when a bank exercises its own entirely legal commercial decision not to host a customer's account. |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jul 20, 2023 10:03:25 GMT
A very nicely edited video there mate. Amazing what one can do with a bit of editing isn't it? The report quite clearly references his values and we both know why this account was closed. It's sinister as fuck and I wouldn't want it to happen to anyone, regardless of their political views. Different story with criminal activity and war, clearly. Yes, as she explained, once his mortgage was paid off, his account was not commercially viable. The fact that they think Farage is a cunt no doubt also played a part in their decision. Fair enough. Up to them to decide in a libertarian, free choice society isn't it? Or is libertarianism just a one way thing? It's great when you agree with its outcomes, highly dangerous and sinister when you don't. Eg when a bank exercises its own entirely legal commercial decision not to host a customer's account. Precisely this, they are perfectly entitled to either accept or decline his custom. Pretty sure this is how it works commercially. |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jul 20, 2023 10:48:01 GMT
It's not just "white working class" (no idea why you keep mentioning their sexuality?), it's kids from poor, deprived areas in general. That is almost always the common denominator. Radical change in our education system is what's required to give people equality of opportunity (if not equality of outcome), that needs to encompass pre-school education and higher education as well as primary/secondary education....... Change is needed in our education system to provide more options for those that aren't academic but more opportunities for those who do not want to stay in education has to be the priority. Education is fine up to a point but there is as much talent coming straight from school than there are from universities, yet grads always get prioritised, even in roles where having said degree is utterly irrelevant - which in itself is a national scandal. Having run a number of grad schemes at my firm this year, I am utterly staggered at the entitlement coming from University grads over those who haven't gone through the University system. The difference in character is often significant. So are you saying people the straight white working class aren't academic enough to get into university and should be routed into non academic training based on their class, ethnicity and sexuality? Actually I think more does need to go onto vocational training and that getting rid of the polys was a massive mistake. The real challenge is addressing the class bias in the education system and in particular the advantages baked into the public school system which ensures over representation of the wealthy and privileged in academia and all positions of power and influence from then on in. The other big issue is to get rid of the low esteem associated with technical and vocational education which is a particularly British issue and a problem shared by all classes. I'm of the view that your class background determines your early educational experience which in turn (statistically at least) determines where you end up in life. If this was a level playing field the numbers going to university would reflect the proportion of people from different class backgrounds - as would the number in technical and vocational education. This won't happen until the advantages of class are removed from the education system. What you seem to proposing is a return to the secondary modern/grammar school system which did more than anything to stratify society along class lines and baked in wealth and privilege at the top of the tree and ensured the working classes knew their place and had little option but to stay there. The bit I feel uncomfortable about in all this is that alhough I'm from a working class background by any objective definition I would now be considered middle class (my dad was a miner, I grew up on a council estate in Stoke-on-Trent, went through the comprehensive school system but went to university, ended up in a good job and bought my own house) so me pontificating about the working class is just perpetuating the problem. The working class don't really have an authentic and proportionate voice in politics and never have - both Labour and the Tories are essentially parties run by and for the benefit of the upper and middle class. There needs to be an authentic working class movement and an authentic working class voice. I'm not it and neither I suspect are you. |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jul 20, 2023 22:28:31 GMT
Change is needed in our education system to provide more options for those that aren't academic but more opportunities for those who do not want to stay in education has to be the priority. Education is fine up to a point but there is as much talent coming straight from school than there are from universities, yet grads always get prioritised, even in roles where having said degree is utterly irrelevant - which in itself is a national scandal. Having run a number of grad schemes at my firm this year, I am utterly staggered at the entitlement coming from University grads over those who haven't gone through the University system. The difference in character is often significant. So are you saying people the straight white working class aren't academic enough to get into university and should be routed into non academic training based on their class, ethnicity and sexuality? Actually I think more does need to go onto vocational training and that getting rid of the polys was a massive mistake. The real challenge is addressing the class bias in the education system and in particular the advantages baked into the public school system which ensures over representation of the wealthy and privileged in academia and all positions of power and influence from then on in. The other big issue is to get rid of the low esteem associated with technical and vocational education which is a particularly British issue and a problem shared by all classes. I'm of the view that your class background determines your early educational experience which in turn (statistically at least) determines where you end up in life. If this was a level playing field the numbers going to university would reflect the proportion of people from different class backgrounds - as would the number in technical and vocational education. This won't happen until the advantages of class are removed from the education system. What you seem to proposing is a return to the secondary modern/grammar school system which did more than anything to stratify society along class lines and baked in wealth and privilege at the top of the tree and ensured the working classes knew their place and had little option but to stay there. The bit I feel uncomfortable about in all this is that alhough I'm from a working class background by any objective definition I would now be considered middle class (my dad was a miner, I grew up on a council estate in Stoke-on-Trent, went through the comprehensive school system but went to university, ended up in a good job and bought my own house) so me pontificating about the working class is just perpetuating the problem. The working class don't really have an authentic and proportionate voice in politics and never have - both Labour and the Tories are essentially parties run by and for the benefit of the upper and middle class. There needs to be an authentic working class movement and an authentic working class voice. I'm not it and neither I suspect are you. No and I'm mystified as to how you concluded that. |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jul 20, 2023 22:30:41 GMT
A very nicely edited video there mate. Amazing what one can do with a bit of editing isn't it? The report quite clearly references his values and we both know why this account was closed. It's sinister as fuck and I wouldn't want it to happen to anyone, regardless of their political views. Different story with criminal activity and war, clearly. Yes, as she explained, once his mortgage was paid off, his account was not commercially viable. The fact that they think Farage is a cunt no doubt also played a part in their decision. Fair enough. Up to them to decide in a libertarian, free choice society isn't it? Or is libertarianism just a one way thing? It's great when you agree with its outcomes, highly dangerous and sinister when you don't. Eg when a bank exercises its own entirely legal commercial decision not to host a customer's account. So the Coutts exec are now openly apologising to Farage. This story isn't going anywhere. I guess cunty Coutts now realise just how wrong they were to cancel big Nige. www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-66258137 |
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Post by Gawa on Jul 21, 2023 0:14:38 GMT
Yes, as she explained, once his mortgage was paid off, his account was not commercially viable. The fact that they think Farage is a cunt no doubt also played a part in their decision. Fair enough. Up to them to decide in a libertarian, free choice society isn't it? Or is libertarianism just a one way thing? It's great when you agree with its outcomes, highly dangerous and sinister when you don't. Eg when a bank exercises its own entirely legal commercial decision not to host a customer's account. So the Coutts exec are now openly apologising to Farage. This story isn't going anywhere. I guess they now realise just how wrong they were to cancel Farage. www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-66258137I think the headline is slightly misleading. The apology was not for the closure of his account. The apology was for comments about him I'm a document about his suitability. Key things from it: The apology is for this Farage himself quoted in the article saying why his account was closed The government's changes Sunaks comments (similar to JRM and others) Proof that the tories may say what you want to hear but their actions are always different. Actions speaking louder than words. So it's clear here from that article that his account was closed due to not meeting funding criteria. It is true however though that the bank does a keep a dosier on its clients and their views and whether they are a risk. This is why banks are allowed to close and freeze the accounts of Russians for instance due to sanctions, its within the law. While the bank did have a dossier on Farages political views as within the law. He was neither cancelled or had his account removed for any of his views. It was as he said himself due to insufficient funds. And as for Sunak and the tories for saying how it's cancel culture this and that. I don't see anything in their new policies which prevents banks from closing peoples accounts if their views are a reputational or political risk. And once again I'd like to highlight that Farages account wasn't closed due to being a risk, it was due to not meeting criteria. Basically Farage has just been a massive snowflake about this. People lose credit cards and accounts all the time due to not meeting the criteria. We don't all run around like fairy's though trying to make out its personal. It's incredible though at how the bbc layout the article to try and make it unambiguous and to appear that Farages account was closed due to his views. Very misleading. |
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Me and you often agree on things, as I know you tend to lean to the left but you're miles off with this mate 
