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Post by salopstick on Feb 8, 2022 12:41:25 GMT
Most people outraged at his joke have not seen the context of his act just before and just after.
Too quick to dismiss having just seen the punchline on social media or outraged because of the newspaper headlines.
He has used a tasteless joke to impress upon people that tbe holocaust was not just equally about the Jews.
He has not done anything nothing wrong
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Post by salopstick on Feb 8, 2022 12:44:31 GMT
They want to cancel Jimmy Carr for an offensive joke. Whoops Goldberg just gets a two week suspension for her offensive views. The hypocrisy is outstanding As misguided and as moronic as Goldberg’s comments were, they didn’t celebrate violence in quite the same way Carr’s did. They were also made on a different network. They were also made in a different country. They have also, at the time of writing, actually been punished - unlike Carr’s. You could very well ask why a black woman gets punished for tasteless remarks about the Holocaust but a white man doesn’t… Aside from all that, yeah you’ve made a fantastic comparison which demonstrates quite clearly why we’re all going to hell in a handcart as result of the sinister forces of virtue signaling woke lefties  There is a difference between tasteless views and opinions and an offensive joke. Goldberg (and not for the first or even second time) is sharing her offensive views on network tv for millions Carr told an offensive joke that he gave a warning before hand and explained his context after Two different things. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Feb 8, 2022 12:53:17 GMT
Most people outraged at his joke have not seen the context of his act just before and just after. Too quick to dismiss having just seen the punchline on social media or outraged because of the newspaper headlines. He has used a tasteless joke to impress upon people that tbe holocaust was not just equally about the Jews. He has not done anything nothing wrong This is what happens when media companies condition people to form opinions from 30 second youtube or tiktok shorts. And then the media giants start deciding which one's they will allow on their platform to suit their world wide agenda and political gerrymandering. In short, we are in big big trouble. |
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Post by partickpotter on Feb 8, 2022 13:17:33 GMT
I don't like Jimmy Carr, I don't think he is funny. I HAVE watched the entire Netflix special...mainly because of all the public outcry...as stated above, it's a sure fire way to get attention. The Gypsy 'joke' whilst not in good taste, doesn't end on the "good news" punchline but goes on to emphasise just how many other groups were persecuted by Hitler, yet are very rarely mentioned when the Holocaust is discussed, Roma, Gypsies, Homosexuals etc. That part of the 'set' doesn't seem to appear much in the media...I wonder why? Similar thing with me and the Dave Chappelle Trans shit storm - whole thing put it in context but Twitter was in meltdown. I bet if you asked a lot of folk would quote 6m as the total who died in the Holocaust - I've seen anything from 11m-20m as the total estimate with these having it broken down at 17m: www.statista.com/chart/24024/number-of-victims-nazi-regime/'Generation War' is on Netflix I think and caused a shit storm when it came out as it was a german drama production of WWII which basically flagged that they couldn't have done all the horrible shit they did if nationals from other countries hadn't helped them with it. Poland were particularly pissed off from memory with was justified to an extent because they could point to a number of folk who helped but equally there was those who were quite the reverse - even Netherlands had an SS volunteer army large enough to be a division. Stalin killing in excess of 20m russians, as a conservative estimate, seems to fly under the radar too. The reason most folk recognise 6m as the Holocaust figure is because that is correct - as that chart you reference shows. But the Germans killed many more people beyond the Holocaust which the 17m figure covers of which more than half were Russians. You are quite right to mention Stalin’s record of mass murder which trumps Hitler, but neither come close to the biggest butcher of the lot; Mao and his 45m. Three terrible people. |
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Post by thevoid on Feb 8, 2022 13:21:37 GMT
I don't like Jimmy Carr, I don't think he is funny. I HAVE watched the entire Netflix special...mainly because of all the public outcry...as stated above, it's a sure fire way to get attention. The Gypsy 'joke' whilst not in good taste, doesn't end on the "good news" punchline but goes on to emphasise just how many other groups were persecuted by Hitler, yet are very rarely mentioned when the Holocaust is discussed, Roma, Gypsies, Homosexuals etc. That part of the 'set' doesn't seem to appear much in the media...I wonder why? Similar thing with me and the Dave Chappelle Trans shit storm - whole thing put it in context but Twitter was in meltdown. I bet if you asked a lot of folk would quote 6m as the total who died in the Holocaust - I've seen anything from 11m-20m as the total estimate with these having it broken down at 17m: www.statista.com/chart/24024/number-of-victims-nazi-regime/'Generation War' is on Netflix I think and caused a shit storm when it came out as it was a german drama production of WWII which basically flagged that they couldn't have done all the horrible shit they did if nationals from other countries hadn't helped them with it. Poland were particularly pissed off from memory with was justified to an extent because they could point to a number of folk who helped but equally there was those who were quite the reverse - even Netherlands had an SS volunteer army large enough to be a division. Stalin killing in excess of 20m russians, as a conservative estimate, seems to fly under the radar too. Croatia had a less than savoury WW2 as well. Look up the Ustase |
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Post by ColonelMustard on Feb 8, 2022 13:23:57 GMT
Most people outraged at his joke have not seen the context of his act just before and just after. Too quick to dismiss having just seen the punchline on social media or outraged because of the newspaper headlines. He has used a tasteless joke to impress upon people that tbe holocaust was not just equally about the Jews. He has not done anything nothing wrong Ah context. That thing people only see when it suits them. And particularly rare when it comes to all things Holocaust. And will have known what he was doing when he wrote it. Its the comedy equivalent of a back heel in your own box. Or maybe a rabona pen in the 91st minute? |
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Post by salopstick on Feb 8, 2022 13:40:04 GMT
Most people outraged at his joke have not seen the context of his act just before and just after. Too quick to dismiss having just seen the punchline on social media or outraged because of the newspaper headlines. He has used a tasteless joke to impress upon people that tbe holocaust was not just equally about the Jews. He has not done anything nothing wrong Ah context. That thing people only see when it suits them. And particularly rare when it comes to all things Holocaust. And will have known what he was doing when he wrote it. Its the comedy equivalent of a back heel in your own box. Or maybe a rabona pen in the 91st minute? Not really. His joke made the point that although the nazis murdered millions upon millions of Jews. But also the schools are not teaching that he also butchered homosexuals, Christians gypsies etc. Comedy is there to challenge people and make them think. Is it a discriminatory NO! Is it offensive. YES. Has it made some people educate themselves. ABSOLUTELY |
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Post by starkiller on Feb 8, 2022 13:46:23 GMT
Jerry Sadowitz is the one.
Not this Sadowitz superlite.
Carr is children's entertainment compared to him.
Go see him live, if you can. I guarantee he won't pander to anyone commercially. I think he'll have some dates again soon. Seen him in Bolton a few times.
His card magic is also the absolute best in the world. Bar none.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Feb 8, 2022 13:48:59 GMT
Jerry Sadowitz is the one. Not this Sadowitz superlite. Carr is children's entertainment compared to him. Go see him live, if you can. I guarantee he won't pander to anyone commercially. I think he'll have some dates again soon. Seen him in Bolton a few times. His card magic is also the absolute best in the world. Bar none. Bloody hell, I agree with that, word for word Especially the magic stuff. If you ever get a chance to watch his sleight of hand stuff, it's incredible. He doesn't do it very often sadly because it can only be done to small audiences close up, but it's astonishing. |
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Post by ColonelMustard on Feb 8, 2022 13:50:00 GMT
Ah context. That thing people only see when it suits them. And particularly rare when it comes to all things Holocaust. And will have known what he was doing when he wrote it. Its the comedy equivalent of a back heel in your own box. Or maybe a rabona pen in the 91st minute? Not really. His joke made the point that although the nazis murdered millions upon millions of Jews. But also the schools are not teaching that he also butchered homosexuals, Christians gypsies etc. Comedy is there to challenge people and make them think. Is it a discriminatory NO! Is it offensive. YES. Has it made some people educate themselves. ABSOLUTELY I didnt deny that there is context. As there is in so many situations. Do you not agree most people choose the situations to allow the context they want to see? Ive always thought the other groups of victims of the Holocaust barely get remembered. Or victims of other genocides for that matter. Theres no doubt he knew what he'd written. And he chose to go there. For good and bad. |
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Post by salopstick on Feb 8, 2022 14:09:47 GMT
Not really. His joke made the point that although the nazis murdered millions upon millions of Jews. But also the schools are not teaching that he also butchered homosexuals, Christians gypsies etc. Comedy is there to challenge people and make them think. Is it a discriminatory NO! Is it offensive. YES. Has it made some people educate themselves. ABSOLUTELY I didnt deny that there is context. As there is in so many situations. Do you not agree most people choose the situations to allow the context they want to see? Ive always thought the other groups of victims of the Holocaust barely get remembered. Or victims of other genocides for that matter. Theres no doubt he knew what he'd written. And he chose to go there. For good and bad. It’s been on Netflix for 6 weeks. It’s almost as if they were keeping their outrage simmering until they needed somthing to deflect from a black self-important celebrity to fuck up. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 8, 2022 14:11:06 GMT
I didnt deny that there is context. As there is in so many situations. Do you not agree most people choose the situations to allow the context they want to see? Ive always thought the other groups of victims of the Holocaust barely get remembered. Or victims of other genocides for that matter. Theres no doubt he knew what he'd written. And he chose to go there. For good and bad. It’s been on Netflix for 6 weeks. It’s almost as if they were keeping their outrage simmering until they needed somthing to deflect from a black self-important celebrity to fuck up. Who is "they" sorry? |
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Post by noustie on Feb 8, 2022 14:34:03 GMT
Similar thing with me and the Dave Chappelle Trans shit storm - whole thing put it in context but Twitter was in meltdown. I bet if you asked a lot of folk would quote 6m as the total who died in the Holocaust - I've seen anything from 11m-20m as the total estimate with these having it broken down at 17m: www.statista.com/chart/24024/number-of-victims-nazi-regime/'Generation War' is on Netflix I think and caused a shit storm when it came out as it was a german drama production of WWII which basically flagged that they couldn't have done all the horrible shit they did if nationals from other countries hadn't helped them with it. Poland were particularly pissed off from memory with was justified to an extent because they could point to a number of folk who helped but equally there was those who were quite the reverse - even Netherlands had an SS volunteer army large enough to be a division. Stalin killing in excess of 20m russians, as a conservative estimate, seems to fly under the radar too. The reason most folk recognise 6m as the Holocaust figure is because that is correct - as that chart you reference shows. But the Germans killed many more people beyond the Holocaust which the 17m figure covers of which more than half were Russians. You are quite right to mention Stalin’s record of mass murder which trumps Hitler, but neither come close to the biggest butcher of the lot; Mao and his 45m. Three terrible people. I'd say it was the correct number of Jews who died in the Holocaust but not the correct number overall: the Holocaust noun [ S ] UK /ˈhɒl.ə.kɔːst/ US /ˈhɑː.lə.kɑːst/ the killing of millions of Jews and others by the Nazis before and during the Second World War dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/holocaustInterestingly though Collins doesn't reference 'others' in their definition:
The Holocaust is used to refer to the killing by the Nazis of millions of Jews during the Second World War.Stories my in-laws told me about fleeing Tibet are absolutely horrendous - all sorts of horrible shit like widespread forced hysterectomies of locals and carpet bombing nomad settlements. |
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Post by salopstick on Feb 8, 2022 15:01:13 GMT
It’s been on Netflix for 6 weeks. It’s almost as if they were keeping their outrage simmering until they needed somthing to deflect from a black self-important celebrity to fuck up. Who is "they" sorry? The permanently outraged, the faux outraged media. The people who see a headline and must be outraged. I don’t want to say woke but we all know these people exist. |
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Post by partickpotter on Feb 8, 2022 15:01:57 GMT
The reason most folk recognise 6m as the Holocaust figure is because that is correct - as that chart you reference shows. But the Germans killed many more people beyond the Holocaust which the 17m figure covers of which more than half were Russians. You are quite right to mention Stalin’s record of mass murder which trumps Hitler, but neither come close to the biggest butcher of the lot; Mao and his 45m. Three terrible people. I'd say it was the correct number of Jews who died in the Holocaust but not the correct number overall: the Holocaust noun [ S ] UK /ˈhɒl.ə.kɔːst/ US /ˈhɑː.lə.kɑːst/ the killing of millions of Jews and others by the Nazis before and during the Second World War dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/holocaustInterestingly though Collins doesn't reference 'others' in their definition:
The Holocaust is used to refer to the killing by the Nazis of millions of Jews during the Second World War.Stories my in-laws told me about fleeing Tibet are absolutely horrendous - all sorts of horrible shit like widespread forced hysterectomies of locals and carpet bombing nomad settlements. I think that Cambridge dictionary definition might want a revision. The Collins is the generally accepted one. That said your comment reminded me of something I read a good few years ago, that I’ve just been checking again. Chapter 10 in Robert Fisk’s awesome and epic (nearly 1,300 pages) The Great War for Civilisation is titled The First Holocaust covers the Armenian Genocide of 1915-17. It’s a heartbreaking, shocking account of an appalling crime. Anyway, I mention it in this context because it includes some commentary on the use of the word Holocaust with a capital H and whether or not Holocaust should be used to describe the Armenian experience. Fisk felt it should, others (you don’t need to think hard who) felt is shouldn’t. When Fisk wrote a piece in the Independent using “H” he found on publication it had been demoted to “h”. An Armenian friend asked him… “how do we Armenians qualify for a capital “H”? Didn’t the Turks kill enough of us? Or is it because we’re not Jewish.” Btw, 1.5 million Armenians were killed. Words have meanings! |
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Post by ColonelMustard on Feb 8, 2022 15:17:47 GMT
I didnt deny that there is context. As there is in so many situations. Do you not agree most people choose the situations to allow the context they want to see? Ive always thought the other groups of victims of the Holocaust barely get remembered. Or victims of other genocides for that matter. Theres no doubt he knew what he'd written. And he chose to go there. For good and bad. It’s been on Netflix for 6 weeks. It’s almost as if they were keeping their outrage simmering until they needed somthing to deflect from a black self-important celebrity to fuck up. Wow. That is involved. They are clearly very organised. |
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Post by starkiller on Feb 8, 2022 15:22:08 GMT
Jerry Sadowitz is the one. Not this Sadowitz superlite. Carr is children's entertainment compared to him. Go see him live, if you can. I guarantee he won't pander to anyone commercially. I think he'll have some dates again soon. Seen him in Bolton a few times. His card magic is also the absolute best in the world. Bar none. Bloody hell, I agree with that, word for word Especially the magic stuff. If you ever get a chance to watch his sleight of hand stuff, it's incredible. He doesn't do it very often sadly because it can only be done to small audiences close up, but it's astonishing. Last time I saw him he played along with a long trick as though he had totally fucked up every single part of it, until he pulled every single bit of it together, with multiple stages, and multiple volunteers, to absolute perfection. All the while littered with gags As for those, I guess we can be pretty certain we won't be seeing a Sadowitz Netflix special anytime soon... |
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Post by thevoid on Feb 8, 2022 15:42:42 GMT
The permanently outraged, the faux outraged media. The people who see a headline and must be outraged. I don’t want to say woke but we all know these people exist. Of course they exist. Obviously they don't go around under one banner called 'Woke' (so they're not as easy to pin down as some blokes in Union Jack vests at one of Tommy's rallies) but I assume that James Treadwell and people in similar predicaments to him haven't complained to their employers themselves... www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.stokesentinel.co.uk/news/stoke-on-trent-news/its-witch-hunt-you-back-6509459.amp |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 8, 2022 15:44:01 GMT
Bloody hell, I agree with that, word for word  Especially the magic stuff. If you ever get a chance to watch his sleight of hand stuff, it's incredible. He doesn't do it very often sadly because it can only be done to small audiences close up, but it's astonishing. Last time I saw him he played along with a long trick as though he had totally fucked up every single part of it, until he pulled every single bit of it together, with multiple stages, and multiple volunteers, to absolute perfection. All the while littered with gags As for those, I guess we can be pretty certain we won't be seeing a Sadowitz Netflix special anytime soon... I was meant to go to a Sadowitz and Stewart Lee gig back in the day, apparently they did a couple of smaller venues where they just abused each other for their 45 minute sets, but Sadowitz allegedly pulled the plug as he was unhappy with the low cost of the ticket prices. Very disappointing......... |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Feb 8, 2022 15:59:04 GMT
Bloody hell, I agree with that, word for word Especially the magic stuff. If you ever get a chance to watch his sleight of hand stuff, it's incredible. He doesn't do it very often sadly because it can only be done to small audiences close up, but it's astonishing. Last time I saw him he played along with a long trick as though he had totally fucked up every single part of it, until he pulled every single bit of it together, with multiple stages, and multiple volunteers, to absolute perfection. All the while littered with gags As for those, I guess we can be pretty certain we won't be seeing a Sadowitz Netflix special anytime soon... Saw something similar he did with rings, before wrapping it all together at the end, about 45 mins after he'd pretended to fuck it up and dropped the whole thing, quality stuff. He plays with the audience's consciences like Carr used to do much more of, before he became mega famous and had to explain he's just joking before every gig because he needs to think of his tv career. Still one of the few edgier comics out there, now Frankie Boyle doesn't tour any more. |
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Post by vokeswagen on Feb 8, 2022 16:22:21 GMT
As misguided and as moronic as Goldberg’s comments were, they didn’t celebrate violence in quite the same way Carr’s did. They were also made on a different network. They were also made in a different country. They have also, at the time of writing, actually been punished - unlike Carr’s. You could very well ask why a black woman gets punished for tasteless remarks about the Holocaust but a white man doesn’t… Aside from all that, yeah you’ve made a fantastic comparison which demonstrates quite clearly why we’re all going to hell in a handcart as result of the sinister forces of virtue signaling woke lefties There is a difference between tasteless views and opinions and an offensive joke. Goldberg (and not for the first or even second time) is sharing her offensive views on network tv for millions Carr told an offensive joke that he gave a warning before hand and explained his context after Two different things. I quite agree they’re two different things - that’s why I was suggesting that equating one with the other was misguided  |
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Post by partickpotter on Feb 8, 2022 18:23:24 GMT
It’s been on Netflix for 6 weeks. It’s almost as if they were keeping their outrage simmering until they needed somthing to deflect from a black self-important celebrity to fuck up. Who is "they" sorry? Forces of Anarchy. (I admit I do take any excuse to enjoy this clip) |
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 14, 2022 8:20:16 GMT
Jerry Sadowitz is the one. Not this Sadowitz superlite. Carr is children's entertainment compared to him. Go see him live, if you can. I guarantee he won't pander to anyone commercially. I think he'll have some dates again soon. Seen him in Bolton a few times. His card magic is also the absolute best in the world. Bar none. On the topic of Mr Sadowitx… He’s just been cancelled! Jerry Sadowitz show cancelled by venue bossesJonathon Pie sums it up rather well… That said, maybe it’s all a big joke because the statement from the venue came out with this gem… |
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Post by noustie on Aug 14, 2022 8:48:44 GMT
Jerry Sadowitz is the one. Not this Sadowitz superlite. Carr is children's entertainment compared to him. Go see him live, if you can. I guarantee he won't pander to anyone commercially. I think he'll have some dates again soon. Seen him in Bolton a few times. His card magic is also the absolute best in the world. Bar none. On the topic of Mr Sadowitx… He’s just been cancelled! Jerry Sadowitz show cancelled by venue bossesJonathon Pie sums it up rather well… That said, maybe it’s all a big joke because the statement from the venue came out with this gem… Reports he called Sunak a 'pakki' and got his dick out on stage - he's done the later for 30 years and even said he was going to in the marketing. However his real crime unsurprisingly appears to be taking the piss out of blokes just saying their women but isn't being reported. Suitably 2022 we're cancelling a bloke for getting his todger out at an adult only venue you'd to pay to attend whilst championing bloke's getting their dicks out in women's space who apparently have no say on whether they're happy in attending. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 14, 2022 10:13:47 GMT
Alleged racist not given platform to be racist again. The horror.
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Post by noustie on Aug 14, 2022 11:28:44 GMT
Alleged racist not given platform to be racist again. The horror. He's been racist and misogynistic for 30 years. Personally I wouldn't watch him nor book him if I ran a theatre. However deplatforming him for it then citing they're not censoring is completely inept and words losing their meaning again. Isn't it strange though in the current climate he told transphobic jokes but that apparently has absoloutely nowt to do with his cancellation especially following the success of Gervais and Chappelle off the back of similar exposure. So either the theatre don't care about the trans stuff which surely Twitter would be in meltdown at their obvious transphobia or racism and him getting his widge out as promised are being used to cover the real motivation here. |
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Post by Hereward the Wake ᛊᛏᛟᚲᛖ on Aug 14, 2022 11:31:37 GMT
Alleged racist not given platform to be racist again. The horror. He's been racist and misogynistic for 30 years. Personally I wouldn't watch him nor book him if I ran a theatre. However deplatforming him for it then citing they're not censoring is completely inept and words losing their meaning again. Isn't it strange though in the current climate he told transphobic jokes but that apparently has absoloutely nowt to do with his cancellation especially following the success of Gervais and Chappelle off the back of similar exposure. So either the theatre don't care about the trans stuff which surely Twitter would be in meltdown at their obvious transphobia or racism and him getting his widge out as promised are being used to cover the real motivation here. It's not a bad thing when the woke mob try and cancel people, by doing so all they do it expose themselves for the numptys that they are. People are against the woke cancel culture and every time a "celeb" gets cancelled more and more people push back. They are only damaging themselves which is obviously a good thing for the rest of society |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Aug 14, 2022 11:39:17 GMT
I think ultimately if you pay to see him then your a fan and you’d know what to expect in relation to his content.
There’s always a choice. Even if you’re not enjoying it you could walk out and putting it down to a mistake.
I’m not one for comedians who get personal but it’s part of what they do but I wouldn’t try and get them banned I just wouldn’t go or turn over but I wouldn’t stop others from seeing him if they find him funny.
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