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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 12, 2021 22:05:50 GMT
It is now fair to say we are living in an age and a society of absolute mass censorship and "Cancel Culture", driven by big corporates, the elites, mainstream media and of course, the most powerful social media platforms in the world. By the day, this crisis in the Western World worsens.
In the past 72 hours we've seen the US president banned from Facebook and Twitter for allegedly inciting violence. The hugely questionable evidence for his incitement of violence aside, these social media platforms continue to allow the likes of the Iranian Supreme Leader and members of the Chinese Communist Party to roam freely - the latter currently operates Nazi Germany esc concentration camps for Uyghur Muslims and minority groups who question the state. In these camps there is a genocide taking place, organ harvesting, slavery and rape amongst many other atrocities. Ali Khamenei has massacred his opposition for decades. YouTube are sending out propaganda adverts from Azerbaijani government - the same government that is currently breaking pretty much every human rights law known to man. I could go on all day. But no - they choose to cancel Trump.
Only last week we saw the UK's fastest growing radio station (fastest growing for a reason) talkradio suspended from YouTube for questioning lockdown. Talkradio has become (along with Maajid Nawaz on LBC), more or less, the only media outlet in the UK that has consistently questioned blanket lockdowns and highlighted the long lasting damage they are doing to both the economy and mental health. So the big tech social media platforms tried to cancel them.
We saw at the weekend, Nottingham Forest striker Lyle Taylor stun the footballing world yet again by refusing to bow down to the new infamous conformity of the BLM movement. Taylor did numerous press interviews following the event describing BLM as "scandalous" and goes onto describe the insanity around how society has become so politically correct and sensitive. Just a few weeks ago the BBC and Sky were rife with main headlines around racist Millwall fans booing taking the knee. Meanwhile, Lyle Taylor's actions haven't been mentioned by either. Why do the BBC and Sky not want to shout about a young, smart, educated footballer going against BLM? Because it goes against their sick agenda. We all know, there are few individuals the New illiberal Left despise more than a black Conservative.
Last year we saw the quite astounding censoring and cancelling of the legendary J.K Rowling because she dared to suggest there are differences between men and women. The horrifying response of the social media platforms and elites cannot be underestimated.
We've seen the banning of TV shows and comedy in the form of Little Britain and Blackadder. Legendary figures like Rowen Atkinson have thankfully spoken out about the completely, crazed, insanity surrounding the censoring of these programmes because they may "offend". Comedy is meant to offend.
We've even now seen large scale "snitching" rear its ugly head for the first time since the Second World War during this pandemic. Pond life anoraks are snitching on their neighbours for having a friend round, or for sneaking off for their second walk of the day. You only have to read the Coronavirus thread on the oatcake to see the "Look at me, I'm a better lockdowner than you, you're evil for going for a walk in the park" type attitude.
I could go all night with examples.
What the fuck is happening to Western society? You call this sterile, totalitarian, undemocratic, pro censorship bullshit progressive?
Even Western governments are now buying into the idea of censorship and Cancel Culture. Its totally terrifying.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 12, 2021 22:32:51 GMT
Couldn’t agree more. Common sense has been ostracised amongst young people in favour of social media propaganda.
Very dark times ahead, particularly for the younger generation I’m afraid
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Post by dutchstokie on Jan 12, 2021 22:52:31 GMT
Couldn’t agree more. Common sense has been ostracised amongst young people in favour of social media propaganda. Very dark times ahead, particularly for the younger generation I’m afraid ‘Respect’ has sadly been lost in all walks of life. Whether this be to your fellow man, other creeds and cultures. I long for the day when we can just show respect to one another in the street and to our elders |
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Jan 12, 2021 22:53:25 GMT
Didn't know about Lyle Taylor,
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jan 12, 2021 22:55:57 GMT
It's an extremist tactic and they've played the long game. If their arguments won't persuade you then they'll secrete themselves in the positions where they can manipulate and unduly influence the next generation.
Look up Common Purpose too. They're a pervasive influence across the public and 'third sector' too. If your face fits and you tow the party line you're groomed as a useful idiot for a position of power/ influence.
It's as insidious as any other attempts to control society to suit the aims of those who 'know better' than the rest of us.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jan 12, 2021 22:59:09 GMT
Couldn’t agree more. Common sense has been ostracised amongst young people in favour of social media propaganda. Very dark times ahead, particularly for the younger generation I’m afraid ‘Respect’ has sadly been lost in all walks of life. Whether this be to your fellow man, other creeds and cultures. I long for the day when we can just show respect to one another in the street and to our elders It's the ability to have civil debate and respect the opinions of others that have been lost. I can't wait for when this lot hit the workplace and bring their parents in when things don't go their way. |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 12, 2021 23:00:57 GMT
Didn't know about Lyle Taylor, And that's the point and that's unfortunately what censorship does. The Mail have finally released the story but its been largely neglected by the main media outlets. I suspect the BBC would rather get defunded than have to publish a story like this. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 12, 2021 23:01:11 GMT
Sky Arts now
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 12, 2021 23:08:00 GMT
Couldn’t agree more. Common sense has been ostracised amongst young people in favour of social media propaganda. Very dark times ahead, particularly for the younger generation I’m afraid ‘Respect’ has sadly been lost in all walks of life. Whether this be to your fellow man, other creeds and cultures. I long for the day when we can just show respect to one another in the street and to our elders Everything is now about point scoring, virtue signalling and getting one up on someone else. It's become fashionable to be a do gooder, sterile, conformist. |
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Post by dutchstokie on Jan 12, 2021 23:18:50 GMT
‘Respect’ has sadly been lost in all walks of life. Whether this be to your fellow man, other creeds and cultures. I long for the day when we can just show respect to one another in the street and to our elders Everything is now about point scoring, virtue signalling and getting one up on someone else. It's become fashionable to be a do gooder, sterile, conformist. Some will agree and also disagree with that.... I really don’t know Regardless of this, I just wish people could show more respect to another. It’s not a lot to ask for ........ is it? |
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Post by maninasuitcase on Jan 12, 2021 23:31:17 GMT
Welcome to Gilead
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Post by franklin on Jan 13, 2021 8:46:09 GMT
I watched the pilot if Love thy Neighbour yesterday call the police on me.
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Post by Dave the Rave on Jan 13, 2021 8:59:12 GMT
Any particular reason you didn't mention the people who complained about a performance on BGT, about Emily Maitlis' opening to Newsnight, about the Sainsbury's Christmas advert, about the Creme egg advert, the fans who booed the taking of the knee?
Cancel culture comes from all corners of society.
People in society believe if they're offended by something they have the right to ask for it never to be shown/seen again.
Framing this as 'PC Do Gooder Woke Virtue Signallers' Vs 'Normal People' doesn't help.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 13, 2021 10:51:54 GMT
Any particular reason you didn't mention the people who complained about a performance on BGT, about Emily Maitlis' opening to Newsnight, about the Sainsbury's Christmas advert, about the Creme egg advert, the fans who booed the taking of the knee? Cancel culture comes from all corners of society. People in society believe if they're offended by something they have the right to ask for it never to be shown/seen again. Framing this as 'PC Do Gooder Woke Virtue Signallers' Vs 'Normal People' doesn't help. I don't disagree with any examples of cancel culture, although I'm a bit confused as to what your position is on say the Maitlis piece or the creme egg advert? What are you saying, you don't think they should be banned? Millwall and Colchester fans (and indeed many hundreds of thousands more when stadiums reopen in March) booing the taking of the knee is the complete opposite to censorship and conformity. Why do you think Milwall and Colchester fans booed? |
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Post by flea79 on Jan 13, 2021 10:55:01 GMT
I watched the pilot if Love thy Neighbour yesterday call the police on me. Hello, race relations board? yes i have a problem, got one of the buggers next door to me! utter genius the joke wasnt him being racist it was his stupid attitude and how stupid it made him look, people cant see that though! |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 13, 2021 10:59:20 GMT
I watched the pilot if Love thy Neighbour yesterday call the police on me. Hello, race relations board? yes i have a problem, got one of the buggers next door to me! utter genius the joke wasnt him being racist it was his stupid attitude and how stupid it made him look, people cant see that though! That's the whole irony right. It's comedy. |
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Post by salopstick on Jan 13, 2021 11:45:27 GMT
Didn't know about Lyle Taylor, Isn’t that the point? |
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 13, 2021 11:51:36 GMT
Any particular reason you didn't mention the people who complained about a performance on BGT, about Emily Maitlis' opening to Newsnight, about the Sainsbury's Christmas advert, about the Creme egg advert, the fans who booed the taking of the knee? Cancel culture comes from all corners of society. People in society believe if they're offended by something they have the right to ask for it never to be shown/seen again. Framing this as 'PC Do Gooder Woke Virtue Signallers' Vs 'Normal People' doesn't help. I don't disagree with any examples of cancel culture, although I'm a bit confused as to what your position is on say the Maitlis piece or the creme egg advert? What are you saying, you don't think they should be banned? Millwall and Colchester fans (and indeed many hundreds of thousands more when stadiums reopen in March) booing the taking of the knee is the complete opposite to censorship and conformity. Why do you think Milwall and Colchester fans booed? Fans have been removed from the stadiums and I think possibly banned for expressing their feelings regarding players taking the knee to a political movement ! now that is the ultimate form of censorship politicising sport and enforcing unwritten laws whatever next ? |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 13, 2021 14:18:21 GMT
I don't disagree with any examples of cancel culture, although I'm a bit confused as to what your position is on say the Maitlis piece or the creme egg advert? What are you saying, you don't think they should be banned? Millwall and Colchester fans (and indeed many hundreds of thousands more when stadiums reopen in March) booing the taking of the knee is the complete opposite to censorship and conformity. Why do you think Milwall and Colchester fans booed? Fans have been removed from the stadiums and I think possibly banned for expressing their feelings regarding players taking the knee to a political movement ! now that is the ultimate form of censorship politicising sport and enforcing unwritten laws whatever next ? Quite. |
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Post by riverman on Jan 13, 2021 15:00:21 GMT
I watched the pilot if Love thy Neighbour yesterday call the police on me. Hello, race relations board? yes i have a problem, got one of the buggers next door to me! utter genius the joke wasnt him being racist it was his stupid attitude and how stupid it made him look, people cant see that though! That was exactly the point with Alf Garnett too. He always lost the argument and made himself look a complete prick. The joke was on him. This has been completely lost the woke generation and I say this as a bit of a liberal pissflapper but one who still believes everyone has the right to an opinion I may find offensive or utterly disagree with. |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 13, 2021 15:05:38 GMT
Hello, race relations board? yes i have a problem, got one of the buggers next door to me! utter genius the joke wasnt him being racist it was his stupid attitude and how stupid it made him look, people cant see that though! That was exactly the point with Alf Garnett too. He always lost the argument and made himself look a complete prick. The joke was on him. This has been completely lost the woke generation and I say this as a bit of a liberal pissflapper but one who still believes everyone has the right to an opinion I may find offensive or utterly disagree with. A Liberal pissflapper 😂😂 brilliant. |
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Post by zerps on Jan 13, 2021 15:36:44 GMT
Nobody has a sense of humour anymore. Their first instinct is to take offence where they used to find humour in something. Everything is taken literally.
They take themselves seriously too. I’m sure this wasn’t the case a few years ago.
It’s great for winding people up but the world is definitely fucked.
Never mind 😂
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Jan 13, 2021 16:15:42 GMT
I agree cancel culture is ridiculous but the opening post isn't all true and is (in my opinion of course) OTT in places - ironically just like cancel culture and some censorship is itself. I occasionally listen to BBC Radio 5 and in that time regularly hear them talking about how lockdown is having a huge negative impact on mental health and the economy.
People can find any argument for their beliefs/agenda, which is one of the big problems with the Internet and all these conspiracy theories. Have you heard the conspiracy QAnon followers believe in that they partly used to justify their attack on the Capitol?
Trump is a scumbucket who only cares about himself. I heard his comments before I heard anything about the Capitol attack and thought they were disgusting. I think the fact so many people still can't see him for what he is is a sad indictment on society. The US has often been a precursor to what eventually happens in the UK. Well, Rupert Murdoch is launching a Fox News-style news channel over here, so things can only get worse.
TalkRadio thrive on conflict and extreme opinions - YouTube probably didn't know who they were when they took TalkRadio's channel down, and it was soon reinstated. I doubt it had anything to do with any agenda. Although I don't have sympathy for them, it's immensely difficult for social networks and websites to police such a huge amount of content. If they didn't care so much about their huge profits, they could manage.
All that all this cancel culture, censorship, people like Trump etc. is doing is driving everyone further apart. People will jump on anything to try and make someone look bad. I think Boris Johnson is incompetent but actually thought him cycling 7 miles from his home was perfectly reasonable. A majority of people seem incapable of having rational discussions online these days and a minority of people can seem much louder than they are (the Oatcake is a microcosm of that - you'd think every Stoke fan thinks O'Neill isn't doing a decent job at times, never mind a fantastic one).
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 13, 2021 16:23:43 GMT
Nobody has a sense of humour anymore. Their first instinct is to take offence where they used to find humour in something. Everything is taken literally. They take themselves seriously too. I’m sure this wasn’t the case a few years ago. It’s great for winding people up but the world is definitely fucked. Never mind 😂 This is the problem. No one is funny or finds anything funny now for fear of reprisal. I’ll just carry on as before, fuck everyone else mate👍🏻 |
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Post by zerps on Jan 13, 2021 16:40:24 GMT
Nobody has a sense of humour anymore. Their first instinct is to take offence where they used to find humour in something. Everything is taken literally. They take themselves seriously too. I’m sure this wasn’t the case a few years ago. It’s great for winding people up but the world is definitely fucked. Never mind 😂 This is the problem. No one is funny or finds anything funny now for fear of reprisal. I’ll just carry on as before, fuck everyone else mate👍🏻 Keep taking the piss mate. It’s who we are 😂 |
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Post by zerps on Jan 13, 2021 16:48:09 GMT
Unless I use emojis in my texts or posts, everyone thinks I’m being serious no matter what I say.
On the contrary, you can say absolutely anything you like as long as you use an emoji after it.
Cunts 😂
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 13, 2021 16:49:07 GMT
I agree cancel culture is ridiculous but the opening post isn't all true and is (in my opinion of course) OTT in places - ironically just like cancel culture and some censorship is itself. I occasionally listen to BBC Radio 5 and in that time regularly hear them talking about how lockdown is having a huge negative impact on mental health and the economy. People can find any argument for their beliefs/agenda, which is one of the big problems with the Internet and all these conspiracy theories. Have you heard the conspiracy QAnon followers believe in that they partly used to justify their attack on the Capitol? Trump is a scumbucket who only cares about himself. I heard his comments before I heard anything about the Capitol attack and thought they were disgusting. I think the fact so many people still can't see him for what he is is a sad indictment on society. The US has often been a precursor to what eventually happens in the UK. Well, Rupert Murdoch is launching a Fox News-style news channel over here, so things can only get worse. TalkRadio thrive on conflict and extreme opinions - YouTube probably didn't know who they were when they took TalkRadio's channel down, and it was soon reinstated. I doubt it had anything to do with any agenda. Although I don't have sympathy for them, it's immensely difficult for social networks and websites to police such a huge amount of content. If they didn't care so much about their huge profits, they could manage. All that all this cancel culture, censorship, people like Trump etc. is doing is driving everyone further apart. People will jump on anything to try and make someone look bad. I think Boris Johnson is incompetent but actually thought him cycling 7 miles from his home was perfectly reasonable. A majority of people seem incapable of having rational discussions online these days and a minority of people can seem much louder than they are (the Oatcake is a microcosm of that - you'd think every Stoke fan thinks O'Neill isn't doing a decent job at times, never mind a fantastic one). But the point is, whether or not you or me agree or disagree with a media outlets views or a presidents views... Who are we, as unelected members of the public (which is what the Twitter and Google exec team is), to ban them from expressing their view? We aren't talking about banning pedophiles, jihadists or mass murderers..... This is mildly inflammatory language being horrendously misinterpreted. But that's my opinion. And that's the whole problem with censorship! It can't happen! Because we all have different opinions - that's how life works. It's getting utterly ridiculous. To say talkradio thrive on extreme opinions - again, that's your view but that doesn't make it right. Many (me included), think talkradio is a breath of fresh air that offers a non conformist alternative view on the world. So because its non conformist, you think it should be banned? Come on. |
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Post by Dave the Rave on Jan 13, 2021 16:52:06 GMT
Any particular reason you didn't mention the people who complained about a performance on BGT, about Emily Maitlis' opening to Newsnight, about the Sainsbury's Christmas advert, about the Creme egg advert, the fans who booed the taking of the knee? Cancel culture comes from all corners of society. People in society believe if they're offended by something they have the right to ask for it never to be shown/seen again. Framing this as 'PC Do Gooder Woke Virtue Signallers' Vs 'Normal People' doesn't help. I don't disagree with any examples of cancel culture, although I'm a bit confused as to what your position is on say the Maitlis piece or the creme egg advert? What are you saying, you don't think they should be banned? Millwall and Colchester fans (and indeed many hundreds of thousands more when stadiums reopen in March) booing the taking of the knee is the complete opposite to censorship and conformity. Why do you think Milwall and Colchester fans booed? Why should they be banned? Because some people didn't like it? Isn't that cancel culture? Trump supporters tried to cancel an election. Are they woke virtue signallers? Are they PC gone mad? It happens in all sections of society. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 13, 2021 17:05:11 GMT
Nobody has a sense of humour anymore. Their first instinct is to take offence where they used to find humour in something. Everything is taken literally. They take themselves seriously too. I’m sure this wasn’t the case a few years ago. It’s great for winding people up but the world is definitely fucked. Never mind 😂 This is the problem. No one is funny or finds anything funny now for fear of reprisal. I’ll just carry on as before, fuck everyone else mate👍🏻 I don't think that's the case at all and is a bit of an over-reaction. There are plenty of comedy shows on the tv which manage to be funny without anyone getting particularly upset or offended. And there are plenty of live stand-ups who sail very close to the wind in terms of tastelessness without straying into racism or bigotry or prejudice towards anyone. Comedy tastes change to reflect society. Wasn't that long ago that Bernard Manning would tell jokes about "an Englishman, Irishman and a Paki", or a white actor would brown-up to play an Indian in It Ain't Half Hot, Mum, neither of which would be considered acceptable these days. And fair enough. Likewise, I think most people always realised that Alf Garnett was the butt of the joke - there is a long tradition of the 'grotesque' in comedy, and he was fulfilling this role in this particular programme - but some of his language, regularly referring to coons and Pakis and the like, well, you can make your own mind up as to whether that's ok these days... Whining about cancel culture is just as bad as those who take offence at things that most people would consider harmless. I think most people recognise this and just try to muddle along in the middle somewhere. That said, there are some daft ideas out there. I saw Russell T Davies say yesterday that only gay people should play gay roles! While I get that blacking up is a bit stupid and insensitive when there are plenty of black actors out there, this is a bit silly. Isn't the whole point of acting a role, pretending to be that person?! What next, Sir Anthony Hopkins shouldn't have played Hannibal Lecter because he wasn't an actual serial killer  |
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Post by Biblical on Jan 13, 2021 17:05:40 GMT
I don’t know if the age of social media is simply amplifying an issue that was already there but the main issue I see is that the sense making apparatus in Western society is broken. It seems to be getting worse though.
It’s broken in the media, in politics, in education, in supposed intellectuals, it’s evident on this board.
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