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Post by tommycarlsberg on Feb 21, 2021 13:37:15 GMT
He came back stronger, his game with his back to the goal had been transformed and his fitness did improve. He came back imo looking a more well rounded player. I think it's one of the few things Jones got right tbh. Welcome to BayernWorld... He was on his way out of the door. He had one foot in Glasgow. M.O.N. was the only reason he stayed.🤣😂 True.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 21, 2021 14:09:46 GMT
He came back stronger, his game with his back to the goal had been transformed and his fitness did improve. He came back imo looking a more well rounded player. I think it's one of the few things Jones got right tbh. Welcome to BayernWorld... He was on his way out of the door. He had one foot in Glasgow. M.O.N. was the only reason he stayed.🤣😂 And?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 21, 2021 14:11:26 GMT
And don’t we just know it...😴😴🤣😂 Bit like when the world was screaming for Guardiola to play Foden. He gradually eased him in and it's paying dividends now. Over playing youngsters or putting them in before they are ready isn't good management. Foden has definitely been underplayed.
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Post by mickstupp on Feb 21, 2021 14:20:16 GMT
Bit like when the world was screaming for Guardiola to play Foden. He gradually eased him in and it's paying dividends now. Over playing youngsters or putting them in before they are ready isn't good management. Foden has definitely been underplayed. He’s been handled to perfection. Throwing these kids in and overplaying them as teenagers can wreck their careers. It’s one of the reasons why we see so many players fail to reach their full potential and suffer burn out and injuries in their mid twenties.
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Post by J-Roar on Feb 21, 2021 14:47:33 GMT
Bit like when the world was screaming for Guardiola to play Foden. He gradually eased him in and it's paying dividends now. Over playing youngsters or putting them in before they are ready isn't good management. Foden has definitely been underplayed. Agreed. What do Guardiola and Man City's army of sports scientists and psychologists know?
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Post by a on Feb 21, 2021 15:05:12 GMT
Not quite true. We turned down bids for Allen and Butland didn't we? Which is madness. They would have been the first two out of the door for me. We also didn't need to spend 50m on players. I think that was just rumour. There was never anything concrete was there? We certainly didn’t need to spend £50 million on the players that we did buy. Looking back nearly three years later they have proven to be dreadful purchases. Three good PL loans like Gayle, Abraham and Harry Wilson or Harvey Barnes would have been fine. At the time I didn’t see many people complaining, myself included. We looked like we’d added a quality winger in Ince, a tried and tested striker in Afobe, an experienced winger in McLean and two highly rated midfielders in Woods and Clucas. It looked like we were taking promotion seriously and by all accounts it should’ve worked. It clearly didn’t and we are still carrying water with the premier league players that we can’t get rid of. It’ll take another season if not two to sort it out.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2021 15:28:48 GMT
Foden has definitely been underplayed. He’s been handled to perfection. Throwing these kids in and overplaying them as teenagers can wreck their careers. It’s one of the reasons why we see so many players fail to reach their full potential and suffer burn out and injuries in their mid twenties. and they seem happy enough and no problem in signing contracts with us. Proof is there
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Post by mickstupp on Feb 21, 2021 15:31:50 GMT
I think that was just rumour. There was never anything concrete was there? We certainly didn’t need to spend £50 million on the players that we did buy. Looking back nearly three years later they have proven to be dreadful purchases. Three good PL loans like Gayle, Abraham and Harry Wilson or Harvey Barnes would have been fine. At the time I didn’t see many people complaining, myself included. We looked like we’d added a quality winger in Ince, a tried and tested striker in Afobe, an experienced winger in McLean and two highly rated midfielders in Woods and Clucas. It looked like we were taking promotion seriously and by all accounts it should’ve worked. It clearly didn’t and we are still carrying water with the premier league players that we can’t get rid of. It’ll take another season if not two to sort it out. Looking back, I honestly thought Afobe was a good signing, but I was less enthused with Ince and McLean. A front three in this league needs to get 40-50 goals between them and I never thought the two wide players would help us get anywhere near that.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 21, 2021 15:36:49 GMT
I think that was just rumour. There was never anything concrete was there? We certainly didn’t need to spend £50 million on the players that we did buy. Looking back nearly three years later they have proven to be dreadful purchases. Three good PL loans like Gayle, Abraham and Harry Wilson or Harvey Barnes would have been fine. At the time I didn’t see many people complaining, myself included. We looked like we’d added a quality winger in Ince, a tried and tested striker in Afobe, an experienced winger in McLean and two highly rated midfielders in Woods and Clucas. It looked like we were taking promotion seriously and by all accounts it should’ve worked. It clearly didn’t and we are still carrying water with the premier league players that we can’t get rid of. It’ll take another season if not two to sort it out. Again though, at the time we didn’t know how wedded Rowett was to a system that didn’t really suit a lot of those players. He should’ve done though.
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Post by a on Feb 21, 2021 16:12:36 GMT
At the time I didn’t see many people complaining, myself included. We looked like we’d added a quality winger in Ince, a tried and tested striker in Afobe, an experienced winger in McLean and two highly rated midfielders in Woods and Clucas. It looked like we were taking promotion seriously and by all accounts it should’ve worked. It clearly didn’t and we are still carrying water with the premier league players that we can’t get rid of. It’ll take another season if not two to sort it out. Again though, at the time we didn’t know how wedded Rowett was to a system that didn’t really suit a lot of those players. He should’ve done though. Yea it would’ve meant changing it to suit the players very true
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 21, 2021 16:17:44 GMT
Foden has definitely been underplayed. Agreed. What do Guardiola and Man City's army of sports scientists and psychologists know? He wouldn’t have made the Euros squad had they been on. Which would have been a massive error for him and England. He’s about the best midfielder we have and was then too but wouldn’t have got in because of a lack of playing time.
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Post by J-Roar on Feb 21, 2021 16:19:26 GMT
Agreed. What do Guardiola and Man City's army of sports scientists and psychologists know? He wouldn’t have made the Euros squad had they been on. Which would have been a massive error for him and England. He’s about the best midfielder we have and was then too but wouldn’t have got in because of a lack of playing time. Is that the best you've got?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 21, 2021 16:19:34 GMT
Foden has definitely been underplayed. He’s been handled to perfection. Throwing these kids in and overplaying them as teenagers can wreck their careers. It’s one of the reasons why we see so many players fail to reach their full potential and suffer burn out and injuries in their mid twenties. Not playing a world class player is never good. And yes there’s managing him and there’s how many games Foden has played. He could have played so many more and still not played that often. He’s still not playing enough for my liking.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 21, 2021 16:21:28 GMT
He wouldn’t have made the Euros squad had they been on. Which would have been a massive error for him and England. He’s about the best midfielder we have and was then too but wouldn’t have got in because of a lack of playing time. Is that the best you've got? So you think him missing out on that would have been right? He’s been massively underplayed. Sancho is the opposite side to the coin and shows how good game time is. Sancho would have gone to the tournament, Foden wouldn’t have done. He’s still being underused now.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 21, 2021 16:23:56 GMT
He’s been handled to perfection. Throwing these kids in and overplaying them as teenagers can wreck their careers. It’s one of the reasons why we see so many players fail to reach their full potential and suffer burn out and injuries in their mid twenties. Not playing a world class player is never good. And yes there’s managing him and there’s how many games Foden has played. He could have played so many more and still not played that often. He’s still not playing enough for my liking. I’m starting to think you’re a Man City supporter, what with your revelations of going to watch them in the champions league and wanking off Foden at every turn 🤣
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 21, 2021 16:26:18 GMT
Not playing a world class player is never good. And yes there’s managing him and there’s how many games Foden has played. He could have played so many more and still not played that often. He’s still not playing enough for my liking. I’m starting to think you’re a Man City supporter, what with your revelations of going to watch them in the champions league and wanking off Foden at every turn 🤣 I just like the way they play. Foden is class though, always has been. Him and Sancho ripped Souttar a new one in the youth cup when we played them. You could tell then they were special players. England need to build a team around Foden.
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Post by J-Roar on Feb 21, 2021 16:28:15 GMT
Is that the best you've got? So you think him missing out on that would have been right? He’s been massively underplayed. Sancho is the opposite side to the coin and shows how good game time is. Sancho would have gone to the tournament, Foden wouldn’t have done. He’s still being underused now. No. I want him to play for England. If he'd missed out it would have been down to Gareth Southgate. The crux of your argument seems to be a hypothetical guess that he wouldn't have been in a tournament that didn't take place. And you still seem to be maintaining that you know more about bringing youngsters through than Pep Guardiola. Is that the case?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 21, 2021 16:29:24 GMT
I’m starting to think you’re a Man City supporter, what with your revelations of going to watch them in the champions league and wanking off Foden at every turn 🤣 I just like the way they play. Foden is class though, always has been. Him and Sancho ripped Souttar a new one in the youth cup when we played them. You could tell then they were special players. England need to build a team around Foden. Yes I know, just ribbing you. On the subject I think he could have played sooner for Man City but Guardiola probably just wanted him to brush up on some bits and bobs before being fully unleashed. Nothing wrong with that, he sees him every day.
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Post by mickstupp on Feb 21, 2021 16:29:29 GMT
He’s been handled to perfection. Throwing these kids in and overplaying them as teenagers can wreck their careers. It’s one of the reasons why we see so many players fail to reach their full potential and suffer burn out and injuries in their mid twenties. Not playing a world class player is never good. And yes there’s managing him and there’s how many games Foden has played. He could have played so many more and still not played that often. He’s still not playing enough for my liking. He’s potentially a world class player, if nurtured and handled correctly. He’s got over 100 senior games under his belt already.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 21, 2021 16:31:32 GMT
So you think him missing out on that would have been right? He’s been massively underplayed. Sancho is the opposite side to the coin and shows how good game time is. Sancho would have gone to the tournament, Foden wouldn’t have done. He’s still being underused now. No. I want him to play for England. If he'd missed out it would have been down to Gareth Southgate. The crux of your argument seems to be a hypothetical guess that he wouldn't have been in a tournament that didn't take place. And you still seem to be maintaining that you know more about bringing youngsters through than Pep Guardiola. Is that the case? I just think he’s been underplayed and he more than likely wouldn’t have made it to a tournament that he should have been playing in. Sancho shows he doesn’t know it all. He hasn’t become a world class player because of the way he’s been handled, he’s been that for a good 18 months now.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 21, 2021 16:32:31 GMT
I just like the way they play. Foden is class though, always has been. Him and Sancho ripped Souttar a new one in the youth cup when we played them. You could tell then they were special players. England need to build a team around Foden. Yes I know, just ribbing you. On the subject I think he could have played sooner for Man City but Guardiola probably just wanted him to brush up on some bits and bobs before being fully unleashed. Nothing wrong with that, he sees him every day. Probably so but I wanted him in the England team years ago so I’m being selfish!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2021 16:38:02 GMT
Foden has 3 Prem medals so played a fair bit for his age. Pep or Bayern? tough choice.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 21, 2021 16:38:10 GMT
Yes I know, just ribbing you. On the subject I think he could have played sooner for Man City but Guardiola probably just wanted him to brush up on some bits and bobs before being fully unleashed. Nothing wrong with that, he sees him every day. Probably so but I wanted him in the England team years ago so I’m being selfish! I’m sure you’ll agree that teams should be picked on form. So while Foden may undoubtedly have more potential than say Grealish or Maddison for example, those players have played at a consistently high level for their clubs all season so you’d imagine they will be picked first until Foden reaches those levels of consistent performance?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 21, 2021 16:58:03 GMT
Probably so but I wanted him in the England team years ago so I’m being selfish! I’m sure you’ll agree that teams should be picked on form. So while Foden may undoubtedly have more potential than say Grealish or Maddison for example, those players have played at a consistently high level for their clubs all season so you’d imagine they will be picked first until Foden reaches those levels of consistent performance? I don’t agree with that at all 😂 Foden is better than them pair by a considerable distance and should play ahead of them. Both are excellent players no doubt but Foden is imo streets ahead. Interesting to see who loses out (if any mind). You’d expect Rashford, Sterling and Sancho all to be certainties. I think Grealish will be. And I think Southgate prefers Foden over Grealish and Maddison. I also think Mount is probably ahead of Maddison too. A lot of talent for that left wing/attacking midfielder spot.
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Post by logdog on Feb 21, 2021 17:03:50 GMT
Welcome to BayernWorld... He was on his way out of the door. He had one foot in Glasgow. M.O.N. was the only reason he stayed.🤣😂 And? And? You can slag off our manager as much as you like for not playing the younger players enough. Fact is he has handled them perfectly. Throwing them into a relegation battle would have been risky. They have been learning their trade with no crowds on their backs. Perfect. Some of these lads have barely played in front of a few thousand fans. As for Campbell, you wouldn’t even be watching him in a Stoke shirt if it wasn’t for M.O.N.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 21, 2021 17:09:25 GMT
And? You can slag off our manager as much as you like for not playing the younger players enough. Fact is he has handled them perfectly. Throwing them into a relegation battle would have been risky. They have been learning their trade with no crowds on their backs. Perfect. Some of these lads have barely played in front of a few thousand fans. As for Campbell, you wouldn’t even be watching him in a Stoke shirt if it wasn’t for M.O.N. Collins and Campbell were/are 2 of our better players, I don’t see why it would have been a gamble. Still he did the only thing that made sense, I don’t think that’s particularly worthy of praise.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 21, 2021 17:11:06 GMT
I’m sure you’ll agree that teams should be picked on form. So while Foden may undoubtedly have more potential than say Grealish or Maddison for example, those players have played at a consistently high level for their clubs all season so you’d imagine they will be picked first until Foden reaches those levels of consistent performance? I don’t agree with that at all 😂 Foden is better than them pair by a considerable distance and should play ahead of them. Both are excellent players no doubt but Foden is imo streets ahead. Interesting to see who loses out (if any mind). You’d expect Rashford, Sterling and Sancho all to be certainties. I think Grealish will be. And I think Southgate prefers Foden over Grealish and Maddison. I also think Mount is probably ahead of Maddison too. A lot of talent for that left wing/attacking midfielder spot. And that’s without mentioning Harvey Barnes whos been superb this season. Why do we always seem to have an embarrassment of riches in one particular position🤦🏻♂️
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 21, 2021 17:15:04 GMT
I don’t agree with that at all 😂 Foden is better than them pair by a considerable distance and should play ahead of them. Both are excellent players no doubt but Foden is imo streets ahead. Interesting to see who loses out (if any mind). You’d expect Rashford, Sterling and Sancho all to be certainties. I think Grealish will be. And I think Southgate prefers Foden over Grealish and Maddison. I also think Mount is probably ahead of Maddison too. A lot of talent for that left wing/attacking midfielder spot. And that’s without mentioning Harvey Barnes whos been superb this season. Why do we always seem to have an embarrassment of riches in one particular position🤦🏻♂️ And Saka who I really like but it is too soon for him unless they squeeze him in as a back up left back too. And definitely, the CBs and a DM are a worry.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 21, 2021 17:20:18 GMT
And that’s without mentioning Harvey Barnes whos been superb this season. Why do we always seem to have an embarrassment of riches in one particular position🤦🏻♂️ And Saka who I really like but it is too soon for him unless they squeeze him in as a back up left back too. And definitely, the CBs and a DM are a worry. The main worries are goalkeeper, right back, left back, centre back, defensive midfield, right sided forwards. Apart from that we will piss the Euros!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 21, 2021 17:23:55 GMT
And Saka who I really like but it is too soon for him unless they squeeze him in as a back up left back too. And definitely, the CBs and a DM are a worry. The main worries are goalkeeper, right back, left back, centre back, defensive midfield, right sided forwards. Apart from that we will piss the Euros! We’ve got a fuck ton of good right backs haven’t we? Right sided forwards Sterling and Sancho can both play there and Foden. And then if he gets his act together Hudson-Odoi is a very good player too. So I think there’s more than enough for that. Especially when I’d want the front 3/4 being interchangeable in game. Left back isn’t ideal but Shaw has had a good season but big doubts over his quality and fitness.
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