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Post by logdog on Feb 17, 2021 21:45:07 GMT
i think you're getting facts get in the way there Collins, Souttar, Campbell etc were transformed into quality first team players by MON and handled them so well Souttar and Campbell improved massively with their loans and came back ready. Collins has been underplayed for about 18 months. Good old Bayern... It absolutely kills your pig to give the manager praise or recognition for anything, doesn’t it???🤣😂
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 17, 2021 21:46:22 GMT
Souttar and Campbell improved massively with their loans and came back ready. Collins has been underplayed for about 18 months. Good old Bayern... It absolutely kills your pig to give the manager praise or recognition for anything, doesn’t it???🤣😂 No but they should have all been used earlier. I’ve only been saying it since forever.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2021 23:06:22 GMT
Souttar and Campbell improved massively with their loans and came back ready. Collins has been underplayed for about 18 months. Good old Bayern... It absolutely kills your pig to give the manager praise or recognition for anything, doesn’t it???🤣😂 No idea gave up months ago. Handed the young lads brilliantly has MON and brought them in when he felt read y and he knows them better than anyone and they are now benefitting and settled in superbly. can't argue with what is clearly in front of you...well you could but doesn't change the facts. the fact Souttar and Campbell signed new contracts with MON speaks volumes and shows their take on him
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 18, 2021 0:27:35 GMT
Good old Bayern... It absolutely kills your pig to give the manager praise or recognition for anything, doesn’t it???🤣😂 No idea gave up months ago. Handed the young lads brilliantly has MON and brought them in when he felt read y and he knows them better than anyone and they are now benefitting and settled in superbly. can't argue with what is clearly in front of you...well you could but doesn't change the facts. the fact Souttar and Campbell signed new contracts with MON speaks volumes and shows their take on him They came the players they are from their loans. Again mad Nath didn’t use them how he should have done and even this season we’ve had Collins at right back which overall has been poor. Collins should have been a regular at the start of last season at centre half. It’s still crap that he isn’t that now. Playing all 3 of them was the obvious thing to do. Doing obvious things shouldn’t be praised.
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Post by potterpaul on Feb 18, 2021 2:18:08 GMT
i think you're getting facts get in the way there Collins, Souttar, Campbell etc were transformed into quality first team players by MON and handled them so well Souttar and Campbell improved massively with their loans and came back ready. Collins has been underplayed for about 18 months. We very rarely disagree but I do remember doing so over the Campbell loan before. I'm not sure he came back with all his problems solved. If memory serves me right he was struggling to get 60mins out of his legs when he left and was much the same on his return. He was then, like he is now, our most accomplished finisher and at the time better to have increased his stamina with us rather than on loan. Jones was, as you put it, a total coward with Tyrese. It really is similar to the Gregory situation we see today.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Feb 18, 2021 9:41:05 GMT
I saw you in another thread today saying how the likes of Cardiff are easily worse than us that this is a poor league. You can’t have it both ways. Of course you can. It's not one thing or the other is it Most teams have smaller budgets than us and do much more with it. You can't just look at the budget of each team. You have to also look at the UNAVOIDABLE outgoings each club is committed to. Our deadwood since relegation means that we have had almost a full team of 11 players who were on Premier League wages on long contracts, some of which still have 18 months to run. That wouldn't have mattered so much if those players were willing or able to put in Premier League standard performances wearing Stoke colours - BUT THEY WEREN'T! It is an appalling indictment of our club, in the period starting 4 years ago and ending with MON's appointment, that we are in this position. But the fact is we ARE in this position and, short of some clubs deciding they want to take over the contracts of the remaining deadwood, we will remain in this position as far as FFP is concerned (to a reducing extent) for another 18 months unless we get promoted this season. No other club in the Championship, as far as I know, has anything like this problem.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 18, 2021 10:14:18 GMT
Souttar and Campbell improved massively with their loans and came back ready. Collins has been underplayed for about 18 months. We very rarely disagree but I do remember doing so over the Campbell loan before. I'm not sure he came back with all his problems solved. If memory serves me right he was struggling to get 60mins out of his legs when he left and was much the same on his return. He was then, like he is now, our most accomplished finisher and at the time better to have increased his stamina with us rather than on loan. Jones was, as you put it, a total coward with Tyrese. It really is similar to the Gregory situation we see today. He came back stronger, his game with his back to the goal had been transformed and his fitness did improve. He came back imo looking a more well rounded player. I think it's one of the few things Jones got right tbh.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 18, 2021 10:15:26 GMT
Of course you can. It's not one thing or the other is it Most teams have smaller budgets than us and do much more with it. You can't just look at the budget of each team. You have to also look at the UNAVOIDABLE outgoings each club is committed to. Our deadwood since relegation means that we have had almost a full team of 11 players who were on Premier League wages on long contracts, some of which still have 18 months to run. That wouldn't have mattered so much if those players were willing or able to put in Premier League standard performances wearing Stoke colours - BUT THEY WEREN'T! It is an appalling indictment of our club, in the period starting 4 years ago and ending with MON's appointment, that we are in this position. But the fact is we ARE in this position and, short of some clubs deciding they want to take over the contracts of the remaining deadwood, we will remain in this position as far as FFP is concerned (to a reducing extent) for another 18 months unless we get promoted this season. No other club in the Championship, as far as I know, has anything like this problem. No but they still can't spend fuck all and neither can we. So what does it matter?
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Post by chiswickpotter on Feb 18, 2021 10:17:06 GMT
Other teams in this league and below didn’t spunk £50+ million on pointless signings on long contracts with Premier League wages. Due to past mistakes our position re. FFP is more precarious than most clubs’. The damage was done and we have to deal with it. So? They still spend less than us and seem to have a bit more movement etc. When you account for the wages and annual amortisation charges of the players in loan that MON didn’t buy and doesn’t use, our budget is lower half of the division.
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Post by hardcastle on Feb 18, 2021 12:48:16 GMT
That can't be right, can it? Putting aside the players out on loan, surely most second tier clubs can't afford to pay the kind of wages that Shawcross, Allen, Clucas, Mikel and Vokes are on, surely?
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Feb 18, 2021 12:52:55 GMT
That can't be right, can it? Putting aside the players out on loan, surely most second tier clubs can't afford to pay the kind of wages that Shawcross, Allen, Clucas, Mikel and Vokes are on, surely? I think what the previous poster meant was that, after taking acount of wages of the players you mention and amortisation on the fees paid for our deadwood plus their wages, FFP means that the money we have left in our budget for MON to improve the squad is lower than for most Championship clubs.
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Post by hardcastle on Feb 18, 2021 13:49:49 GMT
Understood, thanks.
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Post by magwitch on Feb 18, 2021 14:53:36 GMT
Of course you can. It's not one thing or the other is it Most teams have smaller budgets than us and do much more with it. You can't just look at the budget of each team. You have to also look at the UNAVOIDABLE outgoings each club is committed to. Our deadwood since relegation means that we have had almost a full team of 11 players who were on Premier League wages on long contracts, some of which still have 18 months to run. That wouldn't have mattered so much if those players were willing or able to put in Premier League standard performances wearing Stoke colours - BUT THEY WEREN'T! It is an appalling indictment of our club, in the period starting 4 years ago and ending with MON's appointment, that we are in this position. But the fact is we ARE in this position and, short of some clubs deciding they want to take over the contracts of the remaining deadwood, we will remain in this position as far as FFP is concerned (to a reducing extent) for another 18 months unless we get promoted this season. No other club in the Championship, as far as I know, has anything like this problem. It is an appalling indictment of the Club, but not the whole Club. We are still waiting for the root and branch reorganisation promised by Uncle Peter, and it is not clear who should take prime responsibility for the mess the Club is now in. Mon is the fall guy in all of this, but the responsibility lies elsewhere.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2021 15:09:41 GMT
We got Souttar and Campbell tied down to contracts so fine by me. They were happy to stay so obviously no ussues with the way they've progressed themselves and been treated. Others know better though and how they should have been handled.
Is Doughty duë to play in March?
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Feb 18, 2021 15:14:34 GMT
We got Souttar and Campbell tied down to contracts so fine by me. They were happy to stay so obviously no ussues with the way they've progressed themselves and been treated. Others know better though and how they should have been handled. Is Doughty duë to play in March? MON has said he hopes to get a few games out of him this season. I'd have thought probably sometime in April for his possible return. You'd assume a few games as sub at first.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2021 15:19:44 GMT
We got Souttar and Campbell tied down to contracts so fine by me. They were happy to stay so obviously no ussues with the way they've progressed themselves and been treated. Others know better though and how they should have been handled. Is Doughty duë to play in March? MON has said he hopes to get a few games out of him this season. I'd have thought probably sometime in April for his possible return. You'd assume a few games as sub at first. Just in time for squirrel season. A double celebration to be had.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Feb 18, 2021 15:39:08 GMT
MON has said he hopes to get a few games out of him this season. I'd have thought probably sometime in April for his possible return. You'd assume a few games as sub at first. Just in time for squirrel season. A double celebration to be had. There is no squirrel season. They don't hibernate and the first breeding season of the year has already started. I'm only seeing males and last year's youngsters in the garden - the adult females are staying close to the maternity suite.
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Post by spitthedog on Feb 18, 2021 15:41:06 GMT
Good old Bayern... It absolutely kills your pig to give the manager praise or recognition for anything, doesn’t it???🤣😂 No but they should have all been used earlier. I’ve only been saying it since forever. We could have easily ended up with a manager who wouldn't have played any of them at all.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 18, 2021 15:42:00 GMT
No but they should have all been used earlier. I’ve only been saying it since forever. We could have easily ended up with a manager who wouldn't have played any of them at all. We could and that would have been really idiotic.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2021 15:46:51 GMT
Just in time for squirrel season. A double celebration to be had. There is no squirrel season. They don't hibernate and the first breeding season of the year has already started. I'm only seeing males and last year's youngsters in the garden - the adult females are staying close to the maternity suite. Surely is some kind of Pagan squirrel ceremony a la Wicker Man in them parts. You should start one, like Christopher Lee
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Post by heworksardtho on Feb 18, 2021 16:52:39 GMT
Just in time for squirrel season. A double celebration to be had. There is no squirrel season. They don't hibernate and the first breeding season of the year has already started. I'm only seeing males and last year's youngsters in the garden - the adult females are staying close to the maternity suite. I shoot them all year round the grey as they classed as vermin
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Feb 18, 2021 17:03:41 GMT
There is no squirrel season. They don't hibernate and the first breeding season of the year has already started. I'm only seeing males and last year's youngsters in the garden - the adult females are staying close to the maternity suite. I shoot them all year round the grey as they classed as vermin I only have reds visiting my garden. Like you I shoot any greys. I used to shoot up to 10 or 12 a year when I moved here but now I only see one about every 18 months if I am lucky. I see reds every day and at the end of each breeding season I can see up to a dozen or more at a time visiting my squirrel feeders. Thirlmere Forest less than a mile from me has 300 pairs of reds so we are never short of them in this neck of the woods as everyone who puts out food is prepared to shoot or trap any greys who turn up.
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Post by heworksardtho on Feb 18, 2021 17:40:45 GMT
I shoot them all year round the grey as they classed as vermin I only have reds visiting my garden. Like you I shoot any greys. I used to shoot up to 10 or 12 a year when I moved here but now I only see one about every 18 months if I am lucky. I see reds every day and at the end of each breeding season I can see up to a dozen or more at a time visiting my squirrel feeders. Thirlmere Forest less than a mile from me has 300 pairs of reds so we are never short of them in this neck of the woods as everyone who puts out food is prepared to shoot or trap any greys who turn up. Nice one, we have loads here and I’m trying to get the permission to shoot greys on the trentham estate , when I take my springer with me on shooting greys , he’s like snuff on them and if they In between no mans lads he’s like an assassin
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2021 17:46:02 GMT
Seen Lakeland in a different light today. Knocking off squirrels like Leon or the Equaliser. I always pictured him as a Last of The Summer Wine type
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Feb 18, 2021 18:17:26 GMT
I only have reds visiting my garden. Like you I shoot any greys. I used to shoot up to 10 or 12 a year when I moved here but now I only see one about every 18 months if I am lucky. I see reds every day and at the end of each breeding season I can see up to a dozen or more at a time visiting my squirrel feeders. Thirlmere Forest less than a mile from me has 300 pairs of reds so we are never short of them in this neck of the woods as everyone who puts out food is prepared to shoot or trap any greys who turn up. Nice one, we have loads here and I’m trying to get the permission to shoot greys on the trentham estate , when I take my springer with me on shooting greys , he’s like snuff on them and if they In between no mans lads he’s like an assassin Yes, both my previous dog and my current one retrieve any greys I shoot without me having to train them to do it. Both were gun dog breeds so it is obviously in the genes!
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Post by leicspotter on Feb 18, 2021 18:43:56 GMT
Seen Lakeland in a different light today. Knocking off squirrels like Leon or the Equaliser. I always pictured him as a Last of The Summer Wine type Probably more like the Clampits
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Post by logdog on Feb 21, 2021 12:27:35 GMT
Good old Bayern... It absolutely kills your pig to give the manager praise or recognition for anything, doesn’t it???🤣😂 No but they should have all been used earlier. I’ve only been saying it since forever. And don’t we just know it...😴😴🤣😂
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Post by logdog on Feb 21, 2021 12:32:05 GMT
We very rarely disagree but I do remember doing so over the Campbell loan before. I'm not sure he came back with all his problems solved. If memory serves me right he was struggling to get 60mins out of his legs when he left and was much the same on his return. He was then, like he is now, our most accomplished finisher and at the time better to have increased his stamina with us rather than on loan. Jones was, as you put it, a total coward with Tyrese. It really is similar to the Gregory situation we see today. He came back stronger, his game with his back to the goal had been transformed and his fitness did improve. He came back imo looking a more well rounded player. I think it's one of the few things Jones got right tbh. Welcome to BayernWorld... He was on his way out of the door. He had one foot in Glasgow. M.O.N. was the only reason he stayed.🤣😂
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Post by hardcastle on Feb 21, 2021 12:50:10 GMT
MON more or less earned his salary last year with that alone (well, as well as saving us from division three, of course !)
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Post by J-Roar on Feb 21, 2021 13:18:22 GMT
No but they should have all been used earlier. I’ve only been saying it since forever. And don’t we just know it...😴😴🤣😂 Bit like when the world was screaming for Guardiola to play Foden. He gradually eased him in and it's paying dividends now. Over playing youngsters or putting them in before they are ready isn't good management.
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