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Post by clintonbaptiste on Dec 14, 2020 10:02:56 GMT
Just go for it and get cosgrove from Aberdeen, Chuck in all the deadwood too loads of problems solved Is he not more of a traditonal striker which we have in Fletcher? Replacing Campbell's pace and flair is the priority.
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Post by onepara on Dec 14, 2020 10:14:02 GMT
O'Neill said that Verlinden 'has not done enough in training', in other words, he needs to get his finger out & push for a place. That's why he's not playing him.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2020 10:16:19 GMT
Verlinden is a PL class player if he takes his chance. None of those are. People as ever are seriously underestimating our own players and it’s infuriating. These young players have proven most people on here wrong, Verlinden needs that chance to shove humble pie down your throats I can't for the life of me understand why Verlinden isn't one of the first names on the team sheet at the moment. He's been very good whenever playing for us and by all accounts was the shining light in the worst Bolton side in history. Being a good player in a side getting battered 4-0 every week is pretty good going. He has to start on Tuesday. Has to. You're looking at his credentials pre-injury. O'Neill is looking at his performances post-injury. He's watched most or all of his games in the u-23s. The potential is still there, but he does not look like giving what you'd expect for 90 mins. Yet.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Dec 14, 2020 11:25:24 GMT
I can't for the life of me understand why Verlinden isn't one of the first names on the team sheet at the moment. He's been very good whenever playing for us and by all accounts was the shining light in the worst Bolton side in history. Being a good player in a side getting battered 4-0 every week is pretty good going. He has to start on Tuesday. Has to. You're looking at his credentials pre-injury. O'Neill is looking at his performances post-injury. He's watched most or all of his games in the u-23s. The potential is still there, but he does not look like giving what you'd expect for 90 mins. Yet. And Ince does?
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Post by Northy on Dec 14, 2020 11:27:22 GMT
How about Julien Ngoy, scored 5 in 15 in the Belgium top flight this season www.as-eupen.be/en/profis/team/team/I didn't know his new club is owned by the same lot that own PSG, until just looking them up
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Post by somersetstokie on Dec 14, 2020 11:30:32 GMT
What a nightmare decision. You can't spend out on a new player in January so you will have to make the best use of what you have. We might fund some intensive one to one training to bring one guy with potential up to speed. Are you going to choose Ince or Verlinden?
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Dec 14, 2020 11:38:30 GMT
How about Julien Ngoy, scored 5 in 15 in the Belgium top flight this season www.as-eupen.be/en/profis/team/team/I didn't know his new club is owned by the same lot that own PSG, until just looking them up If it was down to Bayern, he'd still be here and replacing Campbell.
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Post by nottsover60 on Dec 14, 2020 11:39:46 GMT
I don't get why people assume MON doesn't have faith in him, he's the one who recalled him and gave him a chance in the team last season. He's coming back from a serious injury but he's clearly not too far away as he's made the bench a few times now - it's only a matter of time before he gets his chance. O'Neil had the perfect chance to give him a 15 minute cameo against Derby at the weekend, but opted for Ince!!! There's a case for an argument that he's only on the bench because of how depleted the squad is...... But, who knows??? 🤷🏼♂️ He was quite scathing of Verlinden I thought in his press conference basically saying he'd got to show more in training and u23s before he could have a first team opportunity. Perhaps the injury to Campbell and the criticism may be a catalyst. He's got three weeks to prove to the manager that he could step up and fill the gap. With all due respect to those fans championing him I think it's not the first time MON has said he doesn't believe in giving young players a chance just because of their age, they have to earn it. I haven't seen much of the u23s but when I have watched them I've been surprised at how ordinary Verlinden has looked. I would expect him to be tearing that level up. Look at the young winger brought on by Derby on Saturday who has been scoring for fun in the academy yet was so out of his depth that Rooney took him off after 30 minutes.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2020 12:02:24 GMT
You're looking at his credentials pre-injury. O'Neill is looking at his performances post-injury. He's watched most or all of his games in the u-23s. The potential is still there, but he does not look like giving what you'd expect for 90 mins. Yet. And Ince does? Ince looks like expertise in giving absolutely nothing for 90 mins. Always.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2020 12:06:07 GMT
How about Julien Ngoy, scored 5 in 15 in the Belgium top flight this season www.as-eupen.be/en/profis/team/team/I didn't know his new club is owned by the same lot that own PSG, until just looking them up I wonder if the parent club will sign him and make him the latest ex-Stoke player to play in a Champions League final. I expect we didn't ask for add-ons when we let him go.
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Post by lordb on Dec 14, 2020 12:13:45 GMT
How about Julien Ngoy, scored 5 in 15 in the Belgium top flight this season www.as-eupen.be/en/profis/team/team/I didn't know his new club is owned by the same lot that own PSG, until just looking them up I wonder if the parent club will sign him and make him the latest ex-Stoke player to play in a Champions League final. I expect we didn't ask for add-ons when we let him go. can you ask for add ons on a free transfer?
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Post by bgreen13 on Dec 14, 2020 12:16:39 GMT
O'Neill said that Verlinden 'has not done enough in training', in other words, he needs to get his finger out & push for a place. That's why he's not playing him. Maybe he is reading too much internet comments about himself and believing his own hype?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2020 12:40:33 GMT
I wonder if the parent club will sign him and make him the latest ex-Stoke player to play in a Champions League final. I expect we didn't ask for add-ons when we let him go. can you ask for add ons on a free transfer? Was it a transfer of a nominal fee or a free transfer - I honestly don't remember. If the former there could be stipulations.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 14, 2020 13:30:54 GMT
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Post by Cast no shadow on Dec 14, 2020 13:33:54 GMT
Re-employ Ngoy
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 14, 2020 13:37:47 GMT
5 in 15 for his new club. He's doing orate.
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Post by potter1989 on Dec 14, 2020 14:38:19 GMT
Demari gray from Leicester
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Post by miltonpotter on Dec 14, 2020 14:58:02 GMT
Andre Gray would be a good shout, in and out of the Watford team and knows where the net is..
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 14, 2020 14:59:00 GMT
Demari gray from Leicester 🤣🤣🤣🤣Thats funnier than Dwight Gayle
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Dec 14, 2020 19:16:46 GMT
Andre Gray would be a good shout, in and out of the Watford team and knows where the net is.. They wouldn't give a player with his potential to a possible promotion rival (although I think any chance of that has just gone up in smoke). Plus I don't think he's exactly covered himself in glory there with his work rate and application which is why he's in and out of the team he's never established himself there. Might be the kind of character to steer clear from.
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Post by Jimm on Dec 14, 2020 19:21:05 GMT
Ian Henderson
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Post by Miles Offside on Dec 14, 2020 19:34:09 GMT
With a few games left in December - especially Spurs - it's a pity we have to wait until the window opens.
Brown has got plenty of potential, but I'm not convinced he's yet worth a regular place.
If possible, we could do with signing two pacey strikers to play either side of Fletcher.
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Post by RF10 on Dec 14, 2020 19:36:03 GMT
Think any of following could be potential loans from Premier League.
Delap Mousset Austin Vydra Slimani Inghalo Tosun
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Post by 1982stokie on Dec 14, 2020 19:59:53 GMT
What about Afobe is he out on loan can we recall him, he might not be great but he has to be better than Vokes
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Post by s7oke on Dec 15, 2020 5:07:25 GMT
What about Afobe is he out on loan can we recall him, he might not be great but he has to be better than Vokes That isn’t actually saying a lot But strangely I agree
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2020 5:59:45 GMT
Think any of following could be potential loans from Premier League. Delap Mousset Austin Vydra Slimani Inghalo Tosun Some of those players are good goalscoring forwards, but none of them are tactically in the Campbell mould. Thus bringing in say Austin we'd have to change our shape to accomodate him while still not bringing in anyone to take Campbell's place. I'd see Austin more as an alternative or a partner to Fletcher in a 442 which is about the only system that MON hasn't tried with us. The only good thing of that type of player coming in is that it would push Vokes even further down the corporate ladder... Finding a Campbell clone truly isn't easy, because he's quite different from your average English forward. In the shape he's positioned wide, but he doesn't play consitently as a winger and he's certainly not a wide midfielder which would require him to lie deeper and do much defensively. He often drifts in centrally behind Fletcher and from there scores some of his goals. He'd look good in a Citeh team which is ironically where he came from. Their forwards could take his place but that's obviously not going to happen. Shame about Delap's dislike against working with his father and vice versa. If they both could be worked around it might do the trick.
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Post by TinkerT on Dec 15, 2020 6:59:43 GMT
Think any of following could be potential loans from Premier League. Delap Mousset Austin Vydra Slimani Inghalo Tosun Some of those players are good goalscoring forwards, but none of them are tactically in the Campbell mould. Thus bringing in say Austin we'd have to change our shape to accomodate him while still not bringing in anyone to take Campbell's place. I'd see Austin more as an alternative or a partner to Fletcher in a 442 which is about the only system that MON hasn't tried with us. The only good thing of that type of player coming in is that it would push Vokes even further down the corporate ladder... Finding a Campbell clone truly isn't easy, because he's quite different from your average English forward. In the shape he's positioned wide, but he doesn't play consitently as a winger and he's certainly not a wide midfielder which would require him to lie deeper and do much defensively. He often drifts in centrally behind Fletcher and from there scores some of his goals. He'd look good in a Citeh team which is ironically where he came from. Their forwards could take his place but that's obviously not going to happen. Shame about Delap's dislike against working with his father and vice versa. If they both could be worked around it might do the trick. Delap is a target man so wouldn't work. Vydra can play wide of the 3 so could work.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2020 8:51:39 GMT
Some of those players are good goalscoring forwards, but none of them are tactically in the Campbell mould. Thus bringing in say Austin we'd have to change our shape to accomodate him while still not bringing in anyone to take Campbell's place. I'd see Austin more as an alternative or a partner to Fletcher in a 442 which is about the only system that MON hasn't tried with us. The only good thing of that type of player coming in is that it would push Vokes even further down the corporate ladder... Finding a Campbell clone truly isn't easy, because he's quite different from your average English forward. In the shape he's positioned wide, but he doesn't play consitently as a winger and he's certainly not a wide midfielder which would require him to lie deeper and do much defensively. He often drifts in centrally behind Fletcher and from there scores some of his goals. He'd look good in a Citeh team which is ironically where he came from. Their forwards could take his place but that's obviously not going to happen. Shame about Delap's dislike against working with his father and vice versa. If they both could be worked around it might do the trick. Delap is a target man so wouldn't work. Vydra can play wide of the 3 so could work. He's potentially better than Fletcher, certainly fitter, but again, he wouldn't solve the Campbell replacement.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2020 9:27:11 GMT
With a few games left in December - especially Spurs - it's a pity we have to wait until the window opens. Brown has got plenty of potential, but I'm not convinced he's yet worth a regular place. If possible, we could do with signing two pacey strikers to play either side of Fletcher. O'Neill seems to think he has the potential to at least stake a claim for regular football. The lad is his record buy, so O'Neill has to plug him, I guess. He might not seem ready to you, but do we really have a choice? As for signing two pacey goalmad strikers, I think you can add the im- prefix.
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Post by TinkerT on Dec 15, 2020 9:55:14 GMT
Delap is a target man so wouldn't work. Vydra can play wide of the 3 so could work. He's potentially better than Fletcher, certainly fitter, but again, he wouldn't solve the Campbell replacement. Not a chance he's better than fletcher. Would certainly be a gamble and we don't want a gamble at this stage.
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