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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2020 10:49:16 GMT
He's potentially better than Fletcher, certainly fitter, but again, he wouldn't solve the Campbell replacement. Not a chance he's better than fletcher. Would certainly be a gamble and we don't want a gamble at this stage. I said 'potentially'. Delap's 18, Edwards' going on 34 and injury prone. Delap's just been introduced to first team football but he's closer to first team action than Campbell was at the same age. When Ty first payed for us there were a number of posters that claimed he should never play again for Stoke. Then what happened...
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Post by gingerninja on Dec 15, 2020 12:27:03 GMT
Malik Wilks for me is the standout, relatively similar in how Campbell plays, but without the same goal threat. If we have looked at him already he may be on our horizon?. Again as I've said, Ince should be that player though..
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2020 13:02:00 GMT
Malik Wilks for me is the standout, relatively similar in how Campbell plays, but without the same goal threat. If we have looked at him already he may be on our horizon?. Again as I've said, Ince should be that player though.. The key word with Ince is 'should'. I've watched him closely last few times he has come on and his body language is all wrong. His confidence is completely shot. I don't personally think he can get it back. Hope I am wrong because he has been an excellent player at this level in the past.
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Post by thestatusquo on Dec 15, 2020 13:42:21 GMT
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Post by Championship Potter on Dec 15, 2020 14:50:46 GMT
Some of those players are good goalscoring forwards, but none of them are tactically in the Campbell mould. Thus bringing in say Austin we'd have to change our shape to accomodate him while still not bringing in anyone to take Campbell's place. I'd see Austin more as an alternative or a partner to Fletcher in a 442 which is about the only system that MON hasn't tried with us. The only good thing of that type of player coming in is that it would push Vokes even further down the corporate ladder... Finding a Campbell clone truly isn't easy, because he's quite different from your average English forward. In the shape he's positioned wide, but he doesn't play consitently as a winger and he's certainly not a wide midfielder which would require him to lie deeper and do much defensively. He often drifts in centrally behind Fletcher and from there scores some of his goals. He'd look good in a Citeh team which is ironically where he came from. Their forwards could take his place but that's obviously not going to happen. Shame about Delap's dislike against working with his father and vice versa. If they both could be worked around it might do the trick. Delap is a target man so wouldn't work. Vydra can play wide of the 3 so could work. I’m basing this on YouTube highlights so take with a massive pinch of salt, but isn’t he relatively quick and skilful? I think with age he’ll become more of a Fletcher-type but given his age I think he would probably work well as a wide forward.
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Post by TinkerT on Dec 15, 2020 14:52:11 GMT
Delap is a target man so wouldn't work. Vydra can play wide of the 3 so could work. I’m basing this on YouTube highlights so take with a massive pinch of salt, but isn’t he relatively quick and skilful? I think with age he’ll become more of a Fletcher-type but given his age I think he would probably work well as a wide forward. He's average, more like dzeko but id class him a target man.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Dec 15, 2020 15:02:57 GMT
Vydra is nothing like Dzeko. He's a second striker/number 10 with a bit of pace.
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Post by wagsastokie on Dec 15, 2020 15:18:22 GMT
Why the hell are people advocating players like delap We don’t need someone who may be good enough at this level
If we’re hoping to maybe nick the last playoff place in jan we need a striker who we know is good enough at this level
Delap and his ilk may well be much better than championship eventually But we need someone up and ready to go
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Post by moon on Dec 15, 2020 15:51:25 GMT
Why the hell are people advocating players like delap We don’t need someone who may be good enough at this level If we’re hoping to maybe nick the last playoff place in jan we need a striker who we know is good enough at this level Delap and his ilk may well be much better than championship eventually But we need someone up and ready to go
What we really need is someone cheap who'll do a job, as we've blown over 100m in recent years on the likes of Imbula, Wimmer, Berahino, Ndiaye, Afobe, Ince, Vokes, Woods, Etebo and we'll still be paying for them for years to come. I can only imagine what a club like Brentford would have achieved with that budget.
I think getting an up and coming striker on loan from a premier league club until the summer, or signing a prospect from either league one or Scotland for a relatively small fee is the best we can hope for.
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Post by TinkerT on Dec 15, 2020 15:55:58 GMT
Vydra is nothing like Dzeko. He's a second striker/number 10 with a bit of pace. I said delap. vydra is the guy i said could play wide in the 3 similar to campbell..
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Post by femark on Dec 15, 2020 15:59:42 GMT
Why the hell are people advocating players like delap We don’t need someone who may be good enough at this level If we’re hoping to maybe nick the last playoff place in jan we need a striker who we know is good enough at this level Delap and his ilk may well be much better than championship eventually But we need someone up and ready to go The problem is, who can we attract/afford that is proven at this level? Especially if we are looking at a short term option whilst Campbell is injured.
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Post by wagsastokie on Dec 15, 2020 16:29:25 GMT
Why the hell are people advocating players like delap We don’t need someone who may be good enough at this level If we’re hoping to maybe nick the last playoff place in jan we need a striker who we know is good enough at this level Delap and his ilk may well be much better than championship eventually But we need someone up and ready to go What we really need is someone cheap who'll do a job, as we've blown over 100m in recent years on the likes of Imbula, Wimmer, Berahino, Ndiaye, Afobe, Ince, Vokes, Woods, Etebo and we'll still be paying for them for years to come. I can only imagine what a club like Brentford would have achieved with that budget. I think getting an up and coming striker on loan from a premier league club until the summer, or signing a prospect from either league one or Scotland for a relatively small fee is the best we can hope for.
Well both would be a gamble But I’d rather go down the second route rather than just develop somebody that will be gone in may
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Dec 15, 2020 16:31:01 GMT
Why the hell are people advocating players like delap We don’t need someone who may be good enough at this level If we’re hoping to maybe nick the last playoff place in jan we need a striker who we know is good enough at this level Delap and his ilk may well be much better than championship eventually But we need someone up and ready to go If it were that easy, everyone would do it. A proven Championship striker would cost a lot of money, which we can't spend because of FFP. So we're probably going to have to either take a gamble on someone from the lower leagues like Delap, an unproven youngster on loan from the Premier League or someone who's out of favour elsewhere.
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Post by moon on Dec 15, 2020 16:41:21 GMT
What we really need is someone cheap who'll do a job, as we've blown over 100m in recent years on the likes of Imbula, Wimmer, Berahino, Ndiaye, Afobe, Ince, Vokes, Woods, Etebo and we'll still be paying for them for years to come. I can only imagine what a club like Brentford would have achieved with that budget. I think getting an up and coming striker on loan from a premier league club until the summer, or signing a prospect from either league one or Scotland for a relatively small fee is the best we can hope for.
Well both would be a gamble But I’d rather go down the second route rather than just develop somebody that will be gone in may I agree, it would be nicer to develop our own player who will be here for next season and beyond. That said though, if we could get a teenage prodigy from the premier league who can bang in 15+ goals then we might actually get promoted this season, it's a gamble but it has worked for clubs in the past like Frazier Campbell for Hull, Bamford at Middlesbrough (they missed out in the playoffs IIRC but he scored 17 goals in the league for them). Still, given the choice I'd love us to sign a young player who can become a regular alongside Campbell in our front 3 for years to come.
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Post by wagsastokie on Dec 15, 2020 17:18:03 GMT
Why the hell are people advocating players like delap We don’t need someone who may be good enough at this level If we’re hoping to maybe nick the last playoff place in jan we need a striker who we know is good enough at this level Delap and his ilk may well be much better than championship eventually But we need someone up and ready to go If it were that easy, everyone would do it. A proven Championship striker would cost a lot of money, which we can't spend because of FFP. So we're probably going to have to either take a gamble on someone from the lower leagues like Delap, an unproven youngster on loan from the Premier League or someone who's out of favour elsewhere. If it was my choice I’d go down the route of a striker out of favour who has scored a few at this level on loan for six months The trouble is wages could be a problem There is no easy option but I just think it’s to much of a risk to ign someone with no or very few first team appearances
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Post by lordb on Dec 15, 2020 17:25:55 GMT
If it were that easy, everyone would do it. A proven Championship striker would cost a lot of money, which we can't spend because of FFP. So we're probably going to have to either take a gamble on someone from the lower leagues like Delap, an unproven youngster on loan from the Premier League or someone who's out of favour elsewhere. If it was my choice I’d go down the route of a striker out of favour who has scored a few at this level on loan for six months The trouble is wages could be a problem There is no easy option but I just think it’s to much of a risk to ign someone with no or very few first team appearances Vydra might fit that bill Won't be on mega money at Burnley
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Post by wagsastokie on Dec 15, 2020 17:45:24 GMT
If it was my choice I’d go down the route of a striker out of favour who has scored a few at this level on loan for six months The trouble is wages could be a problem There is no easy option but I just think it’s to much of a risk to ign someone with no or very few first team appearances Vydra might fit that bill Won't be on mega money at Burnley He’d probably be my choice they owe us one for vokes
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Post by a on Dec 15, 2020 20:00:47 GMT
Why the hell are people advocating players like delap We don’t need someone who may be good enough at this level If we’re hoping to maybe nick the last playoff place in jan we need a striker who we know is good enough at this level Delap and his ilk may well be much better than championship eventually But we need someone up and ready to go We’ve already got Vokes tho 😂 I agree though
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Post by lordb on Dec 15, 2020 20:06:07 GMT
Vydra might fit that bill Won't be on mega money at Burnley He’d probably be my choice they owe us one for vokes Straight swap...
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 15, 2020 20:11:33 GMT
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Post by werrington on Dec 15, 2020 20:12:59 GMT
That wasn’t what he said after the match ....he said a loan would be the most probable option
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Post by franklin on Dec 15, 2020 20:13:32 GMT
Whatever money we have to spend MON needs to blow the lot on the best striker he can. The lack of goals at the moment is killing us.
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Post by Ron on Dec 15, 2020 20:14:01 GMT
Wilks is the obvious candidate but I genuinely don’t think we could afford his fee! They’ll want a couple of million for him (unless not long left on his deal)
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 15, 2020 20:14:51 GMT
That wasn’t what he said after the match ....he said a loan would be the most probable option Strange. He spent 60 seconds in this interview listing all the reasons it wasn't likely
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Post by Northy on Dec 15, 2020 21:27:12 GMT
Awoniyi from Liverpool if his loan in Germany ends
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Post by lordb on Dec 15, 2020 21:33:32 GMT
That wasn’t what he said after the match ....he said a loan would be the most probable option Strange. He spent 60 seconds in this interview listing all the reasons it wasn't likely Perhaps super Tony has wangled a fabbo loan in the last hour or so?
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Post by wrighter on Dec 15, 2020 21:38:29 GMT
Bradley Dack. [Blackburn] scores for fun [ last season anyway]
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Post by mickstupp on Dec 15, 2020 23:08:32 GMT
Bradley Dack. [Blackburn] scores for fun [ last season anyway] He’s still coming back from a very bad knee injury.
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Post by biglad180 on Dec 16, 2020 10:45:10 GMT
Where did that youngen lad Troy Parrot go fromobile spurs not herd much of him sure he went out on loan.we must be careful when taking young players just in case they are no better than we have.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Dec 16, 2020 10:49:30 GMT
Where did that youngen lad Troy Parrot go fromobile spurs not herd much of him sure he went out on loan.we must be careful when taking young players just in case they are no better than we have. Millwall, 0 goals in 6 appearances
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