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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Feb 23, 2021 22:53:15 GMT
I don't think it matters who any of the opposition parties choose for their leaders, it's essentially Brexit "Tory" Westminster versus Remain Independent Scotland.
Ruth Davidson was a big loss for the Tories north of the border, but even she couldn't stomach the daftness of Brexit in the end.
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Post by partickpotter on Feb 24, 2021 14:06:24 GMT
I don't think it matters who any of the opposition parties choose for their leaders, it's essentially Brexit "Tory" Westminster versus Remain Independent Scotland. Ruth Davidson was a big loss for the Tories north of the border, but even she couldn't stomach the daftness of Brexit in the end. Congratulations - you’ve swallowed the SNP line perfectly. Its not your fault. They are hoping their are enough shallow, gullible, easily led fools like you in the electorate at large to get the win they want.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Feb 24, 2021 14:11:25 GMT
I don't think it matters who any of the opposition parties choose for their leaders, it's essentially Brexit "Tory" Westminster versus Remain Independent Scotland. Ruth Davidson was a big loss for the Tories north of the border, but even she couldn't stomach the daftness of Brexit in the end. Congratulations - you’ve swallowed the SNP line perfectly. Its not your fault. They are hoping their are enough shallow, gullible, easily led fools like you in the electorate at large to get the win they want. That's an awful lot of Scottish people you are saying are "shallow, gullible, easily led fools".
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Post by wagsastokie on Feb 24, 2021 14:23:42 GMT
Congratulations - you’ve swallowed the SNP line perfectly. Its not your fault. They are hoping their are enough shallow, gullible, easily led fools like you in the electorate at large to get the win they want. That's an awful lot of Scottish people you are saying are "shallow, gullible, easily led fools". There certainly gullible if they think they can maintain there current spending and living standards without the English tax payer It’s not the Scottish government that’s given them free prescriptions free personal care free university places It’s the English tax payer Can you tell me why someone living in Scotland should have roughly twenty per cent more spent on them than someone in Norfolk
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Feb 24, 2021 14:57:55 GMT
That's an awful lot of Scottish people you are saying are "shallow, gullible, easily led fools". There certainly gullible if they think they can maintain there current spending and living standards without the English tax payer It’s not the Scottish government that’s given them free prescriptions free personal care free university places It’s the English tax payer Can you tell me why someone living in Scotland should have roughly twenty per cent more spent on them than someone in Norfolk Maybe it's not about money. Maybe it's about sovereignty and escaping the clutches of the distant Westminster. Maybe they want control.
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Post by wagsastokie on Feb 24, 2021 14:59:54 GMT
There certainly gullible if they think they can maintain there current spending and living standards without the English tax payer It’s not the Scottish government that’s given them free prescriptions free personal care free university places It’s the English tax payer Can you tell me why someone living in Scotland should have roughly twenty per cent more spent on them than someone in Norfolk Maybe it's not about money. Maybe it's about sovereignty and escaping the clutches of the distant Westminster. Maybe they want control. Than good luck to them as long as the don’t try to comeback Whining their skint
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Feb 24, 2021 15:49:37 GMT
There certainly gullible if they think they can maintain there current spending and living standards without the English tax payer It’s not the Scottish government that’s given them free prescriptions free personal care free university places It’s the English tax payer Can you tell me why someone living in Scotland should have roughly twenty per cent more spent on them than someone in Norfolk Maybe it's not about money. Maybe it's about sovereignty and escaping the clutches of the distant Westminster. Maybe they want control. I agree, for many Scots that is indeed what it is about. I can understand that.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Feb 24, 2021 15:51:33 GMT
Maybe it's not about money. Maybe it's about sovereignty and escaping the clutches of the distant Westminster. Maybe they want control. I agree, for many Scots that is indeed what it is about. I can understand that. I thought you might
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Post by partickpotter on Feb 24, 2021 17:18:50 GMT
Congratulations - you’ve swallowed the SNP line perfectly. Its not your fault. They are hoping their are enough shallow, gullible, easily led fools like you in the electorate at large to get the win they want. That's an awful lot of Scottish people you are saying are "shallow, gullible, easily led fools". Sorry... I should have said to go along with those Scots (or maybe better to say eligible voters) who have an ideological stance in favour independence - which is maybe a third of voters.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Feb 24, 2021 17:27:30 GMT
I don't think it matters who any of the opposition parties choose for their leaders, it's essentially Brexit "Tory" Westminster versus Remain Independent Scotland. Ruth Davidson was a big loss for the Tories north of the border, but even she couldn't stomach the daftness of Brexit in the end. Congratulations - you’ve swallowed the SNP line perfectly. Its not your fault. They are hoping their are enough shallow, gullible, easily led fools like you in the electorate at large to get the win they want. Well, it worked for Brexit, so why not! Maybe more than enough Scots have had enough of "being told what to do (bullied!) by a distant elite they feel doesn't represent them and they can't get rid of..."
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 24, 2021 17:34:19 GMT
Congratulations - you’ve swallowed the SNP line perfectly. Its not your fault. They are hoping their are enough shallow, gullible, easily led fools like you in the electorate at large to get the win they want. Well, it worked for Brexit, so why not! Maybe more than enough Scots have had enough of "being told what to do (bullied!) by a distant elite they feel doesn't represent them and they can't get rid of..." Scexit go for it will we demand a divorce settlement ?
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Post by partickpotter on Feb 24, 2021 21:13:01 GMT
The soap opera proceeds at pace... Crown Office ordered to release evidence of Alex Salmond 'conspiracy'You may recall on Monday Salmond’s evidence was published ahead of his appearance in front of a committee on Wednesday. Yesterday, Tuesday, the Crown Office pulled the evidence before allowing a redacted version to be published causing Salmond to cancel his appearance. Today, we learn that evidence (and possibly more) will now be published in full. Salmond has subsequently agreed to appear before the committee on Friday. So now, it seems, Salmond has the opportunity to put in the public domain the evidence he says exists that proves a conspiracy by the SNP government to put him behind bars. Sturgeon has denied any such evidence exists. The next few days is going to be interesting. They can’t both be right. Oh... the Crown Office, which is part of the Scottish Government reporting directly to Ms Sturgeon (yes, that is odd isn’t it!), has also now been summoned to appear in front of the committee to explain its actions.
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Post by xchpotter on Feb 24, 2021 22:01:36 GMT
If this whole show involves both politicians and the legal profession, it’s a one hundred percent certainty something is as bent as hell...both are untrustworthy and lacking any moral standard.
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Post by somersetstokie on Feb 25, 2021 0:05:45 GMT
Just thread hopping. Surprisingly perhaps but I have no view at all on the merits of Scottish Independance in the modern world. However I do think that the Scots are our natural enemies. And Edward I was right.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Feb 25, 2021 6:42:51 GMT
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Feb 25, 2021 7:14:04 GMT
Nothing like Andrew Neil writing in the Express to really keep things in perspective. There's some serious issues here of course. But that was a load of hyperbolic nonsense from someone who clearly hasn't accepted that the Scottish people have continually voted these people into power.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Feb 25, 2021 7:18:57 GMT
Maybe it's not about money. Maybe it's about sovereignty and escaping the clutches of the distant Westminster. Maybe they want control. Than good luck to them as long as the don’t try to comeback Whining their skint I'm sure they'll be fine. Any negotiations with us will be done in good faith, where we won't be bullying them and just agree to anything their government wants.
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Post by wagsastokie on Feb 25, 2021 7:49:24 GMT
Nothing like Andrew Neil writing in the Express to really keep things in perspective. There's some serious issues here of course. But that was a load of hyperbolic nonsense from someone who clearly hasn't accepted that the Scottish people have continually voted these people into power. Serious issues 😀 It’s a complete farce that evidence is being suppressed to allow a megalomaniac to cling to power
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Feb 25, 2021 7:53:41 GMT
So much vitriol and spite from some predictable quarters on here!
Again, I think it probably originates from a feeling of "what have we done to the UK"!
With regard to the SNP dominance, yes obviously while the move towards independence at any cost is this strong. If and when independence is achieved, you'll probably see a re-balancing as focus switches to domestic matters, or even better, the creation of different parties altogether, taking an independent Scotland in the kind of mature, European, proportionally represented political direction we can only dream of.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Feb 25, 2021 7:54:16 GMT
Nothing like Andrew Neil writing in the Express to really keep things in perspective. There's some serious issues here of course. But that was a load of hyperbolic nonsense from someone who clearly hasn't accepted that the Scottish people have continually voted these people into power. Serious issues 😀 It’s a complete farce that evidence is being suppressed to allow a megalomaniac to cling to power Scotland or England?
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Post by wagsastokie on Feb 25, 2021 8:43:30 GMT
Serious issues 😀 It’s a complete farce that evidence is being suppressed to allow a megalomaniac to cling to power Scotland or England? The only party I can see in England that is showing a Severe lack of transparency Is starmer and his slight breeze troopers Accused of anti semitism with no proof Party whips withdrawn the only crime failing to agree to a convenient white wash of a report Interference in local party decision making stifling debates Forcing local parties to accept candidates against there wishes
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Post by wagsastokie on Feb 25, 2021 8:50:16 GMT
So much vitriol and spite from some predictable quarters on here! Again, I think it probably originates from a feeling of "what have we done to the UK"! With regard to the SNP dominance, yes obviously while the move towards independence at any cost is this strong. If and when independence is achieved, you'll probably see a re-balancing as focus switches to domestic matters, or even better, the creation of different parties altogether, taking an independent Scotland in the kind of mature, European, proportionally represented political direction we can only dream of. Mature proportionally representatives political direction 😀😀😀 It will become as Andrew Neil suggests a banana republic Which part of your utopian thinking actually believes That if Scotland achieves independence the snp will simply give full proportional representation and relinquish power
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Post by partickpotter on Feb 25, 2021 8:59:00 GMT
Nothing like Andrew Neil writing in the Express to really keep things in perspective. There's some serious issues here of course. But that was a load of hyperbolic nonsense from someone who clearly hasn't accepted that the Scottish people have continually voted these people into power. Did you have a look at what the Crown Office redacted from Salmond’s evidence? Two of the six paragraphs related to Salmond accusing Sturgeon of not telling the truth including him saying “That is untrue and is a breach of the ministerial code”. Now the reason given previously for concerns over Salmond’s evidence is the risk of parts of it, in conjunction with other information published elsewhere, possibly leading to the identification of women involved in the sexual assault trial. What has been termed the Jigsaw Effect. It’s a very important consideration. The problem is some of the redacted evidence, such as the two paragraphs noted above, clearly does not carry that risk. There is of course a separate risk, only to a different woman... yes, you’ve guessed it, the First Minister. The inference is clear, and is what is causing this stushie to become ever bigger. Because the Crown Office is part of Sturgeon’s Government, they are acting politically. The inference in Neil’s article is the separation of government, legislation and judiciary seems to have vanished in Scotland hence the notion of a one party state. These are indeed serious issues.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Feb 25, 2021 9:54:42 GMT
Nothing like Andrew Neil writing in the Express to really keep things in perspective. There's some serious issues here of course. But that was a load of hyperbolic nonsense from someone who clearly hasn't accepted that the Scottish people have continually voted these people into power. Did you have a look at what the Crown Office redacted from Salmond’s evidence? Two of the six paragraphs related to Salmond accusing Sturgeon of not telling the truth including him saying “That is untrue and is a breach of the ministerial code”. Now the reason given previously for concerns over Salmond’s evidence is the risk of parts of it, in conjunction with other information published elsewhere, possibly leading to the identification of women involved in the sexual assault trial. What has been termed the Jigsaw Effect. It’s a very important consideration. The problem is some of the redacted evidence, such as the two paragraphs noted above, clearly does not carry that risk. There is of course a separate risk, only to a different woman... yes, you’ve guessed it, the First Minister. The inference is clear, and is what is causing this stushie to become ever bigger. Because the Crown Office is part of Sturgeon’s Government, they are acting politically. The inference in Neil’s article is the separation of government, legislation and judiciary seems to have vanished in Scotland hence the notion of a one party state. These are indeed serious issues. Do you not think it's a tad hysterical to suggest Scotland is becoming a one-party state or a banana republic?
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Feb 25, 2021 9:58:35 GMT
Nothing like Andrew Neil writing in the Express to really keep things in perspective. There's some serious issues here of course. But that was a load of hyperbolic nonsense from someone who clearly hasn't accepted that the Scottish people have continually voted these people into power. Serious issues 😀 It’s a complete farce that evidence is being suppressed to allow a megalomaniac to cling to power Politicians clinging to power is no great shock - they all do it. I still think it's a wee bit too much to suggest Scotland is becoming a banana republic.
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Post by partickpotter on Feb 25, 2021 10:18:48 GMT
Did you have a look at what the Crown Office redacted from Salmond’s evidence? Two of the six paragraphs related to Salmond accusing Sturgeon of not telling the truth including him saying “That is untrue and is a breach of the ministerial code”. Now the reason given previously for concerns over Salmond’s evidence is the risk of parts of it, in conjunction with other information published elsewhere, possibly leading to the identification of women involved in the sexual assault trial. What has been termed the Jigsaw Effect. It’s a very important consideration. The problem is some of the redacted evidence, such as the two paragraphs noted above, clearly does not carry that risk. There is of course a separate risk, only to a different woman... yes, you’ve guessed it, the First Minister. The inference is clear, and is what is causing this stushie to become ever bigger. Because the Crown Office is part of Sturgeon’s Government, they are acting politically. The inference in Neil’s article is the separation of government, legislation and judiciary seems to have vanished in Scotland hence the notion of a one party state. These are indeed serious issues. Do you not think it's a tad hysterical to suggest Scotland is becoming a one-party state or a banana republic? A tad. Agreed. But, exaggeration to make a point isn’t unusual.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Feb 25, 2021 10:30:58 GMT
So much vitriol and spite from some predictable quarters on here! Again, I think it probably originates from a feeling of "what have we done to the UK"! With regard to the SNP dominance, yes obviously while the move towards independence at any cost is this strong. If and when independence is achieved, you'll probably see a re-balancing as focus switches to domestic matters, or even better, the creation of different parties altogether, taking an independent Scotland in the kind of mature, European, proportionally represented political direction we can only dream of. Mature proportionally representatives political direction 😀😀😀 It will become as Andrew Neil suggests a banana republic Which part of your utopian thinking actually believes That if Scotland achieves independence the snp will simply give full proportional representation and relinquish power You'll no doubt be surprised to learn that Scotland's governance already has PR which you could have figured out from the seats maps on my previous post!
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Post by wagsastokie on Feb 25, 2021 10:42:40 GMT
Mature proportionally representatives political direction 😀😀😀 It will become as Andrew Neil suggests a banana republic Which part of your utopian thinking actually believes That if Scotland achieves independence the snp will simply give full proportional representation and relinquish power You'll no doubt be surprised to learn that Scotland's governance already has PR which you could have figured out from the seats maps on my previous post! I’m well aware of the voting system But I have a feeling it isn’t the form of PR you would be happy with As you can have a majority with only 45 percent or less of the vote 😀
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Feb 25, 2021 10:45:47 GMT
Do you not think it's a tad hysterical to suggest Scotland is becoming a one-party state or a banana republic? A tad. Agreed. But, exaggeration to make a point isn’t unusual. It's not unusual. But it is shite.
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Post by partickpotter on Feb 25, 2021 10:51:06 GMT
A tad. Agreed. But, exaggeration to make a point isn’t unusual. It's not unusual. But it is shite. I’m more worried about the state of Government in Scotland at the moment than a journalist’s exaggeration.
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