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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 8, 2020 22:38:02 GMT
If you think most Stoke fans don’t think Tom Ince is a complete and utter fraud and waste of a squad number I’d say you’re talking bollocks as well..... I'm not the one big headed enough to think I can talk for most Stoke fans......................................................... No you’re the one who’s big headed enough to think you know better than our manager week in week out, and can’t bring yourself to give him any credit...... |
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Post by knotty1 on Dec 8, 2020 22:47:09 GMT
what i would like to know is,when you r a kid playing football. who ever said vokes would make a pro and be rich beyond his wildest dreams.
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Post by mrcoke on Dec 8, 2020 23:14:43 GMT
Can someone help me out?
I'm having a senior moment; did Ince actually touch the ball tonight?
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 8, 2020 23:25:58 GMT
Brown went wide right which prior to Saturday would have been what many considered to be his natural position. His natural position looks like the bench to me. 🤷♂️ Brown was being a nuisance down the middle even with his touch. It just needed a straight swap. Why swap two players when there’s no need? It was a crap sub. And then why let him take a penalty? That’s the decision I really don’t get. Vokes should know he should be nowhere near them after his record for us with them. He does have a tendency to swap two see the Colin’s move tonight when he could have gone Ryan for DB straight swap |
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Post by PotterLog on Dec 8, 2020 23:37:29 GMT
Can someone help me out? I'm having a senior moment; did Ince actually touch the ball tonight? Or as Mickey Pejic calls him, Hince |
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Post by PotterLog on Dec 8, 2020 23:43:53 GMT
All of our managers making tonight. Not the injuries, the missed penalty and the two defensive errors from set pieces. All on the manager apparently..... Yup. The manager shouldn’t be allowing him take penalties. Absolute madness. What baffles me is how the fuck Powell didn’t pull rank? Knowing the type of character is, him having won it, and the fact he’s been a key starting player this season to Vokes’ bit part contribution. He should have been wrestling that off Vokes the second he went anywhere near it: |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 8, 2020 23:48:43 GMT
Yup. The manager shouldn’t be allowing him take penalties. Absolute madness. What baffles me is how the fuck Powell didn’t pull rank? Knowing the type of character is, him having won it, and the fact he’s been a key starting player this season to Vokes’ bit part contribution. He should have been wrestling that off Vokes the second he went anywhere near it: True but I don’t like that. For me the players should know who the penalty taker is with who is on. Maybe they do that and Vokes ignored it? Maybe he’s above Powell? Who knows. But it’s definitely something the manager has to be in control of. We’ve seen our players be dicks around penalties far too often. And for such a vital thing it should literally be written down. Campbell Powell Clucas Gregory Thompson Etc |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 8, 2020 23:50:41 GMT
What baffles me is how the fuck Powell didn’t pull rank? Knowing the type of character is, him having won it, and the fact he’s been a key starting player this season to Vokes’ bit part contribution. He should have been wrestling that off Vokes the second he went anywhere near it: True but I don’t like that. For me the players should know who the penalty taker is with who is on. Maybe they do that and Vokes ignored it? Maybe he’s above Powell? Who knows. But it’s definitely something the manager has to be in control of. We’ve seen our players be dicks around penalties far too often. And for such a vital thing it should literally be written down. Campbell Powell Clucas Gregory Thompson Etc Do we know of Powell taking a penalty, for us or anyone else? Maybe he doesn't fancy himself as a penalty taker? We have some obvious choices but none were on the pitch apart from Powell. Vokes would be my last choice |
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Post by PotterLog on Dec 8, 2020 23:54:29 GMT
What baffles me is how the fuck Powell didn’t pull rank? Knowing the type of character is, him having won it, and the fact he’s been a key starting player this season to Vokes’ bit part contribution. He should have been wrestling that off Vokes the second he went anywhere near it: True but I don’t like that. For me the players should know who the penalty taker is with who is on. Maybe they do that and Vokes ignored it? Maybe he’s above Powell? Who knows. But it’s definitely something the manager has to be in control of. We’ve seen our players be dicks around penalties far too often. And for such a vital thing it should literally be written down. Campbell Powell Clucas Gregory Thompson Etc Yeah that’s a totally fair point - I’m generally in favour of having a set order but tonight maybe showed how it’s not always that simple. Vokes is probably a killer penno taker in training, so if he’s on the pitch, he takes it. But in these circumstances, at this stage of the match/season? Not clever. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 8, 2020 23:58:24 GMT
True but I don’t like that. For me the players should know who the penalty taker is with who is on. Maybe they do that and Vokes ignored it? Maybe he’s above Powell? Who knows. But it’s definitely something the manager has to be in control of. We’ve seen our players be dicks around penalties far too often. And for such a vital thing it should literally be written down. Campbell Powell Clucas Gregory Thompson Etc Do we know of Powell taking a penalty, for us or anyone else? Maybe he doesn't fancy himself as a penalty taker? We have some obvious choices but none were on the pitch apart from Powell. Vokes would be my last choice I’m sure he has for us? I can’t honestly remember though. But he should do. I agree and all the more annoying seeing as his record at Burnley with them is so bloody good. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 8, 2020 23:58:56 GMT
True but I don’t like that. For me the players should know who the penalty taker is with who is on. Maybe they do that and Vokes ignored it? Maybe he’s above Powell? Who knows. But it’s definitely something the manager has to be in control of. We’ve seen our players be dicks around penalties far too often. And for such a vital thing it should literally be written down. Campbell Powell Clucas Gregory Thompson Etc Do we know of Powell taking a penalty, for us or anyone else? Maybe he doesn't fancy himself as a penalty taker? We have some obvious choices but none were on the pitch apart from Powell. Vokes would be my last choice 3 career penalties, 3 goals scored...... |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 8, 2020 23:59:51 GMT
True but I don’t like that. For me the players should know who the penalty taker is with who is on. Maybe they do that and Vokes ignored it? Maybe he’s above Powell? Who knows. But it’s definitely something the manager has to be in control of. We’ve seen our players be dicks around penalties far too often. And for such a vital thing it should literally be written down. Campbell Powell Clucas Gregory Thompson Etc Yeah that’s a totally fair point - I’m generally in favour of having a set order but tonight maybe showed how it’s not always that simple. Vokes is probably a killer penno taker in training, so if he’s on the pitch, he takes it. But in these circumstances, at this stage of the match/season? Not clever. Possibly but that’s his 3rd miss for us. He shouldn’t be anywhere near them. The more people mention training the less I think it’s relevant😂absolutely nothing good seems to come of being good at stuff in training. |
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Post by PotterLog on Dec 9, 2020 0:05:20 GMT
Yeah that’s a totally fair point - I’m generally in favour of having a set order but tonight maybe showed how it’s not always that simple. Vokes is probably a killer penno taker in training, so if he’s on the pitch, he takes it. But in these circumstances, at this stage of the match/season? Not clever. Possibly but that’s his 3rd miss for us. He shouldn’t be anywhere near them. The more people mention training the less I think it’s relevant😂absolutely nothing good seems to come of being good at stuff in training. All the stronger an argument against having a set list. They’re bound to base it on training. |
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Post by hotpot on Dec 9, 2020 1:00:51 GMT
Let's hope that this utterly, demoralising setback results in Vokes and Ince being permanently dropped, until sold off.
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Post by leegthestokie90 on Dec 9, 2020 2:11:48 GMT
Just a question did ince touch the ball when he come on
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Post by chayseeoatcake on Dec 9, 2020 5:39:00 GMT
At 1-0 we were 2nd despite MON. At full time we’re 6th because of MON.
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Post by chayseeoatcake on Dec 9, 2020 5:39:24 GMT
Just a question did ince touch the ball when he come on Don’t think he wanted too. |
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Post by britvic72 on Dec 9, 2020 7:37:57 GMT
Shawcross didn’t put a foot wrong from what I saw. Did you watch it? If he’d have been only half aware of where the ball was for their second,instead of manhandling another forward, he might have tried to clear the ball. We don’t need him,as soon as Souttar is back the better and play him along side Collins. No we didn’t need him last night we should have played with 10 then eh as Souttar couldn’t play he wasn’t on the bench. Clearly he’s streets ahead of Shawx and a great prospect but he wasn’t an option!! I didn’t realise there was only Shawcross on the pitch for the corner so yep must have been his fault  |
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Post by britvic72 on Dec 9, 2020 7:43:08 GMT
At 1-0 we were 2nd despite MON. At full time we’re 6th because of MON. Maybe we’re as high as 6th because of MON? Heaven forbid we could be in the bottom 3 of this league with any other manager oh wait we have been with another 3 in the last 2 years! |
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Post by nickhfc on Dec 9, 2020 8:07:59 GMT
Can someone help me out? I'm having a senior moment; did Ince actually touch the ball tonight? He took a free kick |
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Post by hackworth on Dec 9, 2020 8:35:26 GMT
We seem to be developing a team of glass limbed players again. Has anyone seen any evidence of fitness and strength training?
Good to see Cotterill and Pulis doing well!!!
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Post by franklin on Dec 9, 2020 8:38:59 GMT
To save a long drawn out argument it can't be as its my opinion but of course you're right as always. I haven't got time for a long drawn out argument. I've got an early start tomorrow so I'm off to bed. Not sure where I've ever proclaimed to be "always right". Think you must be mixing me up with Bayern. You're right you haven't just tonight, I look forward to you telling everyone who says the manager was at fault they're wrong. |
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Post by chayseeoatcake on Dec 9, 2020 9:10:50 GMT
At 1-0 we were 2nd despite MON. At full time we’re 6th because of MON. Maybe we’re as high as 6th because of MON? Heaven forbid we could be in the bottom 3 of this league with any other manager oh wait we have been with another 3 in the last 2 years! Depends what your happy with. If MON had shown more faith in his team this season there’s no reason why we wouldn’t be top. Did amazing last season but 6/10 this season. So far. |
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Post by tqstokie on Dec 9, 2020 10:12:57 GMT
Very scrappy and hugely disappointing. We lost hope after Tyrese went off and Vokes missed the penalty. We really need a striker in January who can hold the ball up and link the play. Far too much Hoofball. We have one already but he is currently injured. That is exactly why we need another! |
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Post by eddyclamp on Dec 9, 2020 10:14:15 GMT
Can someone help me out? I'm having a senior moment; did Ince actually touch the ball tonight? He took a free kick Been told Ince had 5 touches including the free kick, Vokes had 4 including the penalty. may as well have played with 9 men. |
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Post by Ex-term-oat-cake on Dec 9, 2020 10:36:45 GMT
Can someone help me out? I'm having a senior moment; did Ince actually touch the ball tonight? Or as Mickey Pejic calls him, Hince Wince, more like |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 9, 2020 10:47:11 GMT
I haven't got time for a long drawn out argument. I've got an early start tomorrow so I'm off to bed. Not sure where I've ever proclaimed to be "always right". Think you must be mixing me up with Bayern. You're right you haven't just tonight, I look forward to you telling everyone who says the manager was at fault they're wrong. Its been and gone now. I'm focused on Saturday now |
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Post by silverdollar on Dec 9, 2020 11:05:11 GMT
Having had a night to reflect on last night's performance and result I feel ready to make a balanced and reasoned comment. I can can well understand the amount of frustration been shown on this thread. For the majority of the game we were very much in control and under very little threat from Cardiff. We were not making much inroads into Cardiff's penalty area but I feel we were more threat than Cardiff! As we were missing key players I was relaxed and happy. It then did not help to lose Campbell.
I feel that two poor managerial decisions in my opinion turned the game on its head. I felt the appearance of Vokes was the wrong choice. I believed Verlinden should have come on instead. Brown was doing alright in the centre of attack. MON then decided to bring on Shawcross which caused defensive disruption. It was a negative decision that turned the game.
The other major poor decision was to then allow Vokes to take the penalty. There were many people like me I suppose who thought that he was going to miss because they had no faith in him. Straight after I knew Cardiff would get back into the game.It ended up being a very frustrating result. Even with so many injuries I personally would not play Vokes again!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2020 18:44:19 GMT
Yeah that’s a totally fair point - I’m generally in favour of having a set order but tonight maybe showed how it’s not always that simple. Vokes is probably a killer penno taker in training, so if he’s on the pitch, he takes it. But in these circumstances, at this stage of the match/season? Not clever. Possibly but that’s his 3rd miss for us. He shouldn’t be anywhere near them. The more people mention training the less I think it’s relevant😂absolutely nothing good seems to come of being good at stuff in training. Problem is none of our players should "be anywhere near them". Because they have all tried and failed. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2020 1:47:18 GMT
No getting too upset. We weren't great but so much better than them with so many players missing and shot ourselves in the foot. It happens and move on
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