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Post by terryconroysmagic on Dec 8, 2020 22:07:02 GMT
If Vokes and Ince are on the same pitch Saturday I don’t think my head could handle it.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 8, 2020 22:07:05 GMT
Yes he was and we had two wingers on the bench. We had one who is recovering from a long lay off. Forget Ince, he’s a warm body when we have no one else. MON knows it, most Stoke fans know it...... |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 8, 2020 22:07:05 GMT
Yes he was and we had two wingers on the bench. One of whom was Tom Ince so he doesn't count. But he does, like it or not, he still would have been the better option than what actually happened. There was no need to invite them onto us but thats what we did. Even putting Tymon out wide and bringing Boothe on would have been preferable. |
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Post by franklin on Dec 8, 2020 22:07:14 GMT
Too late by then we'd gone he threw any momentum away there and then. I don't get the determination to stick the boot into the manager. The man is a miracle worker. We've gone from bottom of the league and destined for league 1 to 3 points off the top of the league with a team being patched up and put out onto the pitch 3 times per week. There is one place and one place only any anger should be directed tonight and it most definitely isn't in the direction of the manager. This is a match thread not a season thread a game by game assessment and tonight his subs were shocking and in my opinion cost us. I've not said sack him but he's not above criticism. If players are held to account on a match basis so is he what on earth is wrong with saying tonight he was crap. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 8, 2020 22:07:20 GMT
Yeah I expected Powell to take it. Why would Vokes take it? All of our managers making tonight. All of our managers making tonight. Not the injuries, the missed penalty and the two defensive errors from set pieces. All on the manager apparently..... Yup. The manager shouldn’t be allowing him take penalties. Absolute madness. |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 8, 2020 22:07:24 GMT
Take a look at the table tomorrow night after 16 games and then work out who is the dimwit , answers on a post card please . So are we miles off then or not ? We are miles off top two absolutely Bournemouth and Norwich are far better as the table will show , Watford are better and so are Swansea three of who. Have beaten us already , but we are playing with one arm behind us right now clucas , Allen , Fletcher , davies, mikel Souttar , Baht , Campbell from tonight are good enough to be starters in this team |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 8, 2020 22:07:58 GMT
One of whom was Tom Ince so he doesn't count. But he does, like it or not, he still would have been the better option than what actually happened. There was no need to invite them onto us but thats what we did. Even putting Tymon out wide and bringing Boothe on would have been preferable. Captain hindsight strikes again..... |
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Post by Veritas on Dec 8, 2020 22:08:05 GMT
We don’t lose that game with Souttar and or Baht , Collins inexperience exposed but he will learn , what’s key is we are still in touch in January and most important Campbell injury isn’t a long job but that’s the biggest worry for me seeing how he knew as soon as he fell Collins made a mistake tonight but I think you are forgetting the mistakes made by Souttar and Batth against both Huddersfield and Norwich. |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 8, 2020 22:08:06 GMT
I don't get the determination to stick the boot into the manager. The man is a miracle worker. We've gone from bottom of the league and destined for league 1 to 3 points off the top of the league with a team being patched up and put out onto the pitch 3 times per week. There is one place and one place only any anger should be directed tonight and it most definitely isn't in the direction of the manager. This is a match thread not a season thread a game by game assessment and tonight his subs were shocking and in my opinion cost us. I've not said sack him but he's not above criticism. If players are held to account on a match basis so is he what on earth is wrong with saying tonight he was crap. The only thing wrong with it is exactly that...it is wrong! |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 8, 2020 22:08:23 GMT
Too late by then we'd gone he threw any momentum away there and then. I don't get the determination to stick the boot into the manager. The man is a miracle worker. We've gone from bottom of the league and destined for league 1 to 3 points off the top of the league with a team being patched up and put out onto the pitch 3 times per week. There is one place and one place only any anger should be directed tonight and it most definitely isn't in the direction of the manager. He bought the fat shit on for no good reason. Awful |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 8, 2020 22:08:35 GMT
Yes he was and we had two wingers on the bench. We had one who is recovering from a long lay off. Forget Ince, he’s a warm body when we have no one else. MON knows it, most Stoke fans know it......  Most Stoke fans, its nice that you think you can talk for most Stoke fans. Peoples reactions, on here at least, suggest otherwise. |
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Post by ethers26 on Dec 8, 2020 22:08:54 GMT
Yeah I expected Powell to take it. Why would Vokes take it? All of our managers making tonight. All of our managers making tonight. Not the injuries, the missed penalty and the two defensive errors from set pieces. All on the manager apparently..... Sack him. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 8, 2020 22:09:10 GMT
But he does, like it or not, he still would have been the better option than what actually happened. There was no need to invite them onto us but thats what we did. Even putting Tymon out wide and bringing Boothe on would have been preferable. Captain hindsight strikes again..... Hindsight? Who was actually calling for Vokes to come on when Campbell went down? And if they did then they know fuck all about football |
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Post by nottsover60 on Dec 8, 2020 22:10:04 GMT
I don't understand the Shawcross abuse. He played well and put in some great tackles. I agree it seemed strange to send him on for Brown but MON had just watched Collins gift them a goal by misjudging a high ball. I guess his feeling was go to 3 at the back to let Smith get forward down the wing but it didn't work out.
I was surprised not to see Verlinden on for McLean for 10 minutes when Mclean's characteristic indiscipline and nasty streak when frustrated earned him a yellow card which means he'll miss Saturday and Verlinden could be his replacement. I think it's more likely to be Tymon on the left though and hopefully Mikel back.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 8, 2020 22:10:51 GMT
I don't get the determination to stick the boot into the manager. The man is a miracle worker. We've gone from bottom of the league and destined for league 1 to 3 points off the top of the league with a team being patched up and put out onto the pitch 3 times per week. There is one place and one place only any anger should be directed tonight and it most definitely isn't in the direction of the manager. He bought the fat shit on for no good reason. Awful He took a forward off and replaced him with the only forward we had left on the bench. |
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Post by franklin on Dec 8, 2020 22:10:57 GMT
This is a match thread not a season thread a game by game assessment and tonight his subs were shocking and in my opinion cost us. I've not said sack him but he's not above criticism. If players are held to account on a match basis so is he what on earth is wrong with saying tonight he was crap. The only thing wrong with it is exactly that...it is wrong! To save a long drawn out argument it can't be as its my opinion but of course you're right as always. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 8, 2020 22:11:05 GMT
We had one who is recovering from a long lay off. Forget Ince, he’s a warm body when we have no one else. MON knows it, most Stoke fans know it...... Most Stoke fans, its nice that you think you can talk for most Stoke fans. Peoples reactions, on here at least, suggest otherwise. Certainly most Stoke fans I know. Correction all Stoke fans I know..... |
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Post by skelman on Dec 8, 2020 22:11:40 GMT
If Vokes and Ince are on the same pitch Saturday I don’t think my head could handle it. 🤦 It's worse than being 2 men down!! At least the kit man's pleased with them!! |
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Post by nott1 on Dec 8, 2020 22:12:20 GMT
It comes to something when one of your expensive strikers hasn't a clue how to take a penalty! What the feck is he here for?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 8, 2020 22:14:52 GMT
The only thing wrong with it is exactly that...it is wrong! To save a long drawn out argument it can't be as its my opinion but of course you're right as always. I haven't got time for a long drawn out argument. I've got an early start tomorrow so I'm off to bed. Not sure where I've ever proclaimed to be "always right". Think you must be mixing me up with Bayern. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 8, 2020 22:15:27 GMT
He bought the fat shit on for no good reason. Awful He took a forward off and replaced him with the only forward we had left on the bench. He replaced someone who was playing wide right with Sam Vokes. It wasn’t a like for like sub. 😂😂 |
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Post by maninasuitcase on Dec 8, 2020 22:15:29 GMT
Vokes showing his welsh colours by not playing again his countrymen. Vokes was rubbish but don't make yourself look foolush with idiotic claims like this. Mad quotes during heated moments in a match are part and parcel of the game. |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 8, 2020 22:16:19 GMT
We don’t lose that game with Souttar and or Baht , Collins inexperience exposed but he will learn , what’s key is we are still in touch in January and most important Campbell injury isn’t a long job but that’s the biggest worry for me seeing how he knew as soon as he fell Collins made a mistake tonight but I think you are forgetting the mistakes made by Souttar and Batth against both Huddersfield and Norwich. Understood but both are at their best facing the high ball manager had no choice on those two albeit as I said Ryan would have started for me with Collins at right back one change not two in position terms but he needs the big players back then we might just scrape a top 6 place if we keep them fit , big risk now and always was Campbell |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 8, 2020 22:16:35 GMT
He took a forward off and replaced him with the only forward we had left on the bench. He replaced someone who was playing wide right with Sam Vokes. It wasn’t a like for like sub. 😂😂 Brown went wide right which prior to Saturday would have been what many considered to be his natural position. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 8, 2020 22:17:39 GMT
Most Stoke fans, its nice that you think you can talk for most Stoke fans. Peoples reactions, on here at least, suggest otherwise. Certainly most Stoke fans I know. Correction all Stoke fans I know..... So that equals most Stoke fans okay the Stoke fans I know disagree with all the Stoke fans you know so shall we draw a line under that particular bit of bollocks. |
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Post by viewfromthecrowsnest on Dec 8, 2020 22:18:53 GMT
So are we miles off then or not ? We are miles off top two absolutely Bournemouth and Norwich are far better as the table will show , Watford are better and so are Swansea three of who. Have beaten us already , but we are playing with one arm behind us right now clucas , Allen , Fletcher , davies, mikel Souttar , Baht , Campbell from tonight are good enough to be starters in this team Any Championship team would be fucked without this 7. Can’t put it on MON tonight- I thought it would be much tougher tonight but Campbell and Brownie were excellent until they had to go off. Had they stayed on we would have been completely comfortable |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 8, 2020 22:20:27 GMT
He replaced someone who was playing wide right with Sam Vokes. It wasn’t a like for like sub. 😂😂 Brown went wide right which prior to Saturday would have been what many considered to be his natural position. His natural position looks like the bench to me. 🤷♂️ Brown was being a nuisance down the middle even with his touch. It just needed a straight swap. Why swap two players when there’s no need? It was a crap sub. And then why let him take a penalty? That’s the decision I really don’t get. Vokes should know he should be nowhere near them after his record for us with them. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2020 22:25:19 GMT
Manager cost us that game...simples.
We are struggling with players but allow a fucker like Vokes to take the peno and he got what he deserved.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 8, 2020 22:33:36 GMT
Certainly most Stoke fans I know. Correction all Stoke fans I know..... So that equals most Stoke fans okay the Stoke fans I know disagree with all the Stoke fans you know so shall we draw a line under that particular bit of bollocks. If you think most Stoke fans don’t think Tom Ince is a complete and utter fraud and waste of a squad number I’d say you’re talking bollocks as well..... |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 8, 2020 22:35:33 GMT
So that equals most Stoke fans okay the Stoke fans I know disagree with all the Stoke fans you know so shall we draw a line under that particular bit of bollocks. If you think most Stoke fans don’t think Tom Ince is a complete and utter fraud and waste of a squad number I’d say you’re talking bollocks as well..... I'm not the one big headed enough to think I can talk for most Stoke fans......................................................... |
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