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Wimmer
Sept 14, 2020 11:29:49 GMT
Post by threepoints on Sept 14, 2020 11:29:49 GMT
Back at SCFC apparently, but why is he training with the under 23's? If we are trying to sell him shouldn't he be in the senior squad? It sends out the wrong message to any prospective buyer.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 14, 2020 11:33:26 GMT
He must want to prioritise a proper look at Souttar and Collins, and mustn't want to be dealing with a group of 30-35 including disinterested players he's got no intention of having around the group.
Same with Bauer, who he's clearly made up his mind on.
It's almost impossible to see anyone taking either of them.
If you can't make an impression, as an £18m signing on 35k-a-week for a mid-table Belgian team, where do you go next? How low can you go?
Who on earth is out there who'd look twice at him who could even afford to pay a big chunk of his weekly wage, let alone think about a loan fee?
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Post by The battheader chronicles on Sept 14, 2020 11:33:43 GMT
While I agree in some sense, having a player who clearly doesn’t want to be here round the first team squad could be a real negative influence
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Wimmer
Sept 14, 2020 11:34:33 GMT
Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 14, 2020 11:34:33 GMT
I think it would take more than him training with the first team to make a good impression after his last few seasons
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Post by questionable on Sept 14, 2020 11:45:02 GMT
Just Under the 23 stone squad more like it.
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Post by stokemark on Sept 14, 2020 11:47:20 GMT
As well as being a terrible footballer you get the feeling he has the spine of a jelly fish. When he first joined his fawning around Spurs and his former mates there showed what he is all about.
As bad as Berahino in my opinion
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Wimmer
Sept 14, 2020 11:50:18 GMT
Post by cheekymatt71 on Sept 14, 2020 11:50:18 GMT
I would make him train with the toilet cleaners.
What a fat waste of space and 25M.
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Wimmer
Sept 14, 2020 11:50:52 GMT
Post by FullerMagic on Sept 14, 2020 11:50:52 GMT
I'm trying to think of the type of club who'd come in for him, and be able to make a decent wage contribution - and I'm drawing a blank.
Obviously the top leagues are out.
I wonder how much the Belgian team he was at last season (whose name I can't remember!) paid towards his wages?
We obviously pretty much accepted nothing financially just to get him in some kind of (small) shop window and keep him on the radar.
And looks like we'll have to do the same this time, with both him and Bauer
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Post by shrewspotter on Sept 14, 2020 11:57:27 GMT
You would hope as a supposed professional he would knuckle down, work hard in training and be knocking on the managers door for a chance in the first team. Anyone with any pride in their profession would do this and I’m gobsmacked in the sheer and utter cheek to take £30000 per week without giving anything back
I like most people would feel ashamed and embarrassed with such a pitiful attitude.
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Post by threepoints on Sept 14, 2020 11:58:49 GMT
As well as being a terrible footballer you get the feeling he has the spine of a jelly fish. When he first joined his fawning around Spurs and his former mates there showed what he is all about. As bad as Berahino in my opinion Berahino could play if he wanted to (he just didn't)
Wimmer never had any real talent as a footballer
Assuming that we can't sell him, how long are we stuck with him?
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 14, 2020 12:00:22 GMT
As well as being a terrible footballer you get the feeling he has the spine of a jelly fish. When he first joined his fawning around Spurs and his former mates there showed what he is all about. As bad as Berahino in my opinion Berahino could play if he wanted to (he just didn't) Wimmer never had any real talent as a footballer Assuming that we can't sell him, how long are we stuck with him?
2022 for Wimmer 2023 for Bauer Heartbreaking!
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Post by generationex on Sept 14, 2020 12:15:30 GMT
Could have bought Coady and Tarkowski and still had 19 million quid left over.
Recruitment that bad should be a criminal offence.
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Wimmer
Sept 14, 2020 12:23:31 GMT
Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2020 12:23:31 GMT
He must want to prioritise a proper look at Souttar and Collins, and mustn't want to be dealing with a group of 30-35 including disinterested players he's got no intention of having around the group. Same with Bauer, who he's clearly made up his mind on. It's almost impossible to see anyone taking either of them. If you can't make an impression, as an £18m signing on 35k-a-week for a mid-table Belgian team, where do you go next? How low can you go?Who on earth is out there who'd look twice at him who could even afford to pay a big chunk of his weekly wage, let alone think about a loan fee? With Big Kev, not sure. But I think we're fastly reaching this stage...
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Wimmer
Sept 14, 2020 12:49:22 GMT
Post by nott1 on Sept 14, 2020 12:49:22 GMT
His best option is obvious.....Wrights Pies taster in chief. Go get him Wrights.
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Post by clarkeda on Sept 14, 2020 12:52:09 GMT
I'm trying to think of the type of club who'd come in for him, and be able to make a decent wage contribution - and I'm drawing a blank. Obviously the top leagues are out. I wonder how much the Belgian team he was at last season (whose name I can't remember!) paid towards his wages? We obviously pretty much accepted nothing financially just to get him in some kind of (small) shop window and keep him on the radar. And looks like we'll have to do the same this time, with both him and Bauer You’d say China or MLS wouldn’t you. Even if on a free theyre about the only teams who could afford the wages
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Wimmer
Sept 14, 2020 12:56:22 GMT
Post by MilanStokie on Sept 14, 2020 12:56:22 GMT
I think you are looking at similar leagues as Belgium.
Greek, Turkish, Russian.
I wouldnt be surprised to see him rock up in the Austrian Bundesliga for Rapid or LASK.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2020 13:12:50 GMT
He did reasonably well in Germany, apparently. I
I guess if you can't do the business in a midtable Belgium team (Belgian footballers are the best in Europe at the moment by the way, way better than English Premier League players, as opposed to the Belgian players that earn their keep there) and they won't let you do the business at lower midtable Div2 English club, then there are plenty of options below that, provided his owners, i.e us, will pay close to 100% of his wages.
Or to put it another way, I don't think there's essentially anything wrong with Wimmer's ability, What's wrong is the excessive wages he was paid to go and play in ST4. While I wouldn't go as far as to say he's a victim of the wages he's paid, I still think they screwed up his mind. With so much money suddenly going into his bank account, and, dropped from the team after just a few games, it occurred to him that he didn't need to do anything for the rest of his career, because if he saved his money well for the 5 years earned, he was set for life.
Professional pride? There is no such word in his language.
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Wimmer
Sept 14, 2020 13:21:55 GMT
Post by crapslinger on Sept 14, 2020 13:21:55 GMT
Berahino could play if he wanted to (he just didn't) Wimmer never had any real talent as a footballer Assuming that we can't sell him, how long are we stuck with him?
2022 for Wimmer 2023 for Bauer Heartbreaking! Ah the good old process in evidence , add Berahino, Imbula, Afobe, Ince, Etebo, Ndiya, Vokes and others to the transfer clusterfuck yet our CEO has nothing to do with it
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Wimmer
Sept 14, 2020 13:26:43 GMT
Post by PotterLog on Sept 14, 2020 13:26:43 GMT
I'm trying to think of the type of club who'd come in for him, and be able to make a decent wage contribution - and I'm drawing a blank. Obviously the top leagues are out. I wonder how much the Belgian team he was at last season (whose name I can't remember!) paid towards his wages? We obviously pretty much accepted nothing financially just to get him in some kind of (small) shop window and keep him on the radar. And looks like we'll have to do the same this time, with both him and Bauer You’d say China or MLS wouldn’t you. Even if on a free theyre about the only teams who could afford the wages Why would they be remotely interested, he's a complete no-mark
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Wimmer
Sept 14, 2020 13:38:20 GMT
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 14, 2020 13:38:20 GMT
2022 for Wimmer 2023 for Bauer Heartbreaking! Ah the good old process in evidence , add Berahino, Imbula, Afobe, Ince, Etebo, Ndiya, Vokes and others to the transfer clusterfuck yet our CEO has nothing to do with it Ah but the board say “Chief executive has full executive responsibility for all football matters .” September 2020
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Wimmer
Sept 14, 2020 13:49:52 GMT
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Post by mickstupp on Sept 14, 2020 13:49:52 GMT
Ah the good old process in evidence , add Berahino, Imbula, Afobe, Ince, Etebo, Ndiya, Vokes and others to the transfer clusterfuck yet our CEO has nothing to do with it Ah but the board say “Chief executive has full executive responsibility for all football matters .” September 2020 Maybe you should send them a strongly worded letter to let them know of your frustration?
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Post by callas12 on Sept 14, 2020 14:06:39 GMT
If this debacle had been santioned & left to fester on as long as it has in any other multi million pound business heads would have rolled & people would of seriously been held to account over it.
I'm simply a footy fan & have no managerial or scouting qualifications but if someone had said to me that a club were spending £18mil on a player who Spurs signed for £4.3million & had only made 15 bit part appearances in over 2x years with them I'd say them maths really dont work out it must of been a misprint. The fact we spent more than £4.3million alone is questionable but to pay £14mil extra for someone who clearly wasn't very good is criminal. Any qualified or paid footy person whether it be Hughes as manager, Scholes as CEO or scouts & director of football who saw this as good business seriously needed to held accountable. Its bordering fraudulent that such sums were able to change hands & this transfer be sanctioned! Its equivalent to going to a garage & being charged £40k for an old battered up 'A' Reg'd Ford Transit van & driving it off the forecourt thinking you'd done well for yourself! The only person laughing is the the car salesman, in this case Daniel Levy! & to think we're still paying insurance, road tax & servicing costs for a totally unusable commodity with no sell on value at all makes things even more obscene! Oh & not forgetting we'd been miss-sold an old has been motor by the same car salesman in the past too in the form of Wilson Palicios! Never learn do we?!
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Post by AlliG on Sept 14, 2020 14:10:21 GMT
He did reasonably well in Germany, apparently. I I guess if you can't do the business in a midtable Belgium team (Belgian footballers are the best in Europe at the moment by the way, way better than English Premier League players, as opposed to the Belgian players that earn their keep there) and they won't let you do the business at lower midtable Div2 English club, then there are plenty of options below that, provided his owners, i.e us, will pay close to 100% of his wages. Or to put it another way, I don't think there's essentially anything wrong with Wimmer's ability, What's wrong is the excessive wages he was paid to go and play in ST4. While I wouldn't go as far as to say he's a victim of the wages he's paid, I still think they screwed up his mind. With so much money suddenly going into his bank account, and, dropped from the team after just a few games, it occurred to him that he didn't need to do anything for the rest of his career, because if he saved his money well for the 5 years earned, he was set for life. Professional pride? There is no such word in his language. I watched a few of his Bundesliga appearances. He was reasonably okay, when all he was required to do was play possession football with his fellow defenders and occasionally wander forward and play the odd long diagonal ball. However, when it came to his "day job" as a defender he wasn't. All the defects in his game that we saw in the few games he played here were still blatantly obvious. His inability to get off the ground meant that if corners or crosses reached the player he was supposed to be marking, that player usually had a free header. His lack of pace and mobility meant that he was regularly caught out of position if the opposition broke quickly or passed the ball quickly around the edge of the penalty area. If he had impressed at all in his time in the Bundesliga I am sure one of the other bottom half teams would have tried to fix up a loan since.
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Wimmer
Sept 14, 2020 14:18:16 GMT
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 14, 2020 14:18:16 GMT
I would make him train with the toilet cleaners. What a fat waste of space and 25M. I think he should be made to read the entire Coronavirus thread from start to finish 10 times a day every day until his contract expires.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 14, 2020 14:20:12 GMT
He was a Hughes special, wasn't he? (along with Imbers and Saido). At that time, he was walking on water and unfortunately it led to the club giving him the power to pretty much go for anyone he wanted. Unfortunately, he lost the plot. Not sure there've ever been 3 successive big money buys in 12 months as calamitous as those 3. Although, let's be honest, once the fee got above £10m, we should have laughed and put the phone down regardless of how much credit Hughes had in the bank that summer theathletic.co.uk/1397740/2019/11/22/the-fall-of-stoke-city-muddled-recruitment-no-win-bonuses-for-unmotivated-players-and-a-stats-company-hired-to-assess-jones/Wimmer’s move raised eyebrows. Spurs paid Cologne £4.3 million for him in 2015. Two years and only 13 Premier League starts later and his value had more than quadrupled. “Within three days of training, I knew we’d wasted our money,” one source told The Athletic. Wimmer was part of a Stoke defence that conceded 50 goals in the first 23 games of the season. The half-century was racked up in a 3-0 defeat at Old Trafford, where Paul Lambert, the new manager, was watching from the director’s box. Wimmer never played for Stoke again. “They were bad, costly mistakes, but you can’t condemn the system,” says one Stoke source. “There isn’t a football club that doesn’t have bad signings.” Although trying to find out exactly who was responsible for the signings of Imbula and Wimmer can easily end up in a game of claim and counter-claim, The Athletic has established the chain of events behind both deals and, more generally, how transfers worked at Stoke at that time. Roughly once a month, Peter Coates, the chairman, John Coates, the vice-chairman, Tony Scholes, the chief executive, Mark Cartwright, the technical director, and Hughes would get together to discuss the make-up of the squad and the club’s transfer strategy. As for Wimmer, Stoke ideally only wanted to sign one permanent central defender in the summer of 2017 and it was initially a choice between Martins Indi and the Spurs player. Hughes’ preference between the two was Wimmer but in the end the Stoke board, with one eye on Kurt Zouma returning to Chelsea on loan the following summer, sanctioned both deals. The extent to which Stoke watched Wimmer beforehand is a contentious issue, especially as the Austrian rarely played for Spurs. At a fans’ forum in March, during which Scholes and John Coates addressed more than 150 supporters, Wimmer’s name was brought up. Scholes said in response that Stoke typically watch a player 25 times before signing them. That comment may have been meant in more general terms but it went down badly with Stoke’s scouting department, who claim they played no part in the club’s decision to buy Wimmer. www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/stoke-city-transfer-news-cartwright-1569418Mark Hughes did rely on his own judgement with certain players, the most infamous example being Saido Berahino. The club’s top brass will also insist that it was Hughes pushing longest and hardest for £18m Kevin Wimmer at a time last August when, by common consent, a striker and not a centre-half was the more crucial acquisition for the Potters.
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Wimmer
Sept 14, 2020 14:20:59 GMT
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Post by lordb on Sept 14, 2020 14:20:59 GMT
He should be training on his own Shouldn't be anywhere near the main group nor the U23's.
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Wimmer
Sept 14, 2020 14:29:48 GMT
Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2020 14:29:48 GMT
He did reasonably well in Germany, apparently. I I guess if you can't do the business in a midtable Belgium team (Belgian footballers are the best in Europe at the moment by the way, way better than English Premier League players, as opposed to the Belgian players that earn their keep there) and they won't let you do the business at lower midtable Div2 English club, then there are plenty of options below that, provided his owners, i.e us, will pay close to 100% of his wages. Or to put it another way, I don't think there's essentially anything wrong with Wimmer's ability, What's wrong is the excessive wages he was paid to go and play in ST4. While I wouldn't go as far as to say he's a victim of the wages he's paid, I still think they screwed up his mind. With so much money suddenly going into his bank account, and, dropped from the team after just a few games, it occurred to him that he didn't need to do anything for the rest of his career, because if he saved his money well for the 5 years earned, he was set for life. Professional pride? There is no such word in his language. I watched a few of his Bundesliga appearances. He was reasonably okay, when all he was required to do was play possession football with his fellow defenders and occasionally wander forward and play the odd long diagonal ball. However, when it came to his "day job" as a defender he wasn't. All the defects in his game that we saw in the few games he played here were still blatantly obvious. His inability to get off the ground meant that if corners or crosses reached the player he was supposed to be marking, that player usually had a free header. His lack of pace and mobility meant that he was regularly caught out of position if the opposition broke quickly or passed the ball quickly around the edge of the penalty area. If he had impressed at all in his time in the Bundesliga I am sure one of the other bottom half teams would have tried to fix up a loan since. He played in Germany twice, once before us, once after us. I didn't watch him play for Cologne, but he played 72 games for them, so he must have been able to defend and even score a couple of goals. I did see him a couple of times for Hannover and to be honest I thought he looked good. I couldn't understand "what all the fuss was about"...
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Wimmer
Sept 14, 2020 14:41:24 GMT
Post by dirtygary69 on Sept 14, 2020 14:41:24 GMT
The amount of players who have come here "in their prime" or even before that, and essentially ended their playing careers here before they are 30 is frankly scandalous. Seen it mentioned on other threads but why the fuck are their contracts so well protected? Unless they do something completely horrific like murder someone, their contracts cannot be cancelled. Wimmer could be 37 stone by now, and still picking up hundreds of thousands per month.
Him, Bauer, Berahino & Imbula are all wank millionaire footballers in their mid to late 20's who didn't give a shit about playing for Stoke but more than happy to take the money.
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Wimmer
Sept 14, 2020 14:42:09 GMT
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Post by Dresden_scfc on Sept 14, 2020 14:42:09 GMT
when is his contract up?
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Post by 16quidachuck on Sept 14, 2020 14:43:09 GMT
Manager Mark Hughes said that "Bringing Kevin here is a real coup in my view, because he is a hugely talented young player who will undoubtedly add further quality to the group...There is a lot of money being spent this summer, so for us to get a player of Kevin’s calibre through the door for the price we have paid, in my opinion, is something we will really appreciate for years to come"
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