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Butland
Aug 6, 2020 11:54:51 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2020 11:54:51 GMT
Same with butland as wimmer , he doesn't want to be here and he is welcome to go He dropped beswicks and got in a more high profile agent to secure him a move , because he doesn't want to be here . If he wanted to stay, beswicks would have been fine , but he didn't want to stay , which is why he dropped them . Still nobody wanted him , even with a high profile agent. His stats for the season were awful and worse than both Federici and Davies .He conceded more goals per game than feds despite feds playing all his games under NJ and had a much worse , percentage of shots saved on target . No hard feelings , hope he turns it round , good luck to both of them but they both have to go ( sold or loaned) We need reliable players , who play for the team , not primadonna's who think they are doing us a favour playing for us . Nobody will ever know why Lee grant was dropped to get butland back in the team , likewise federici . Rediculous in the case of Lee grant who was outstanding and earned himself a move to man utd Lord knows what the last two or three years about , but it has to stop .We need a decent goalie . You keep harping on about this Beswicks thing but none of the solicitors from Beswicks I've spoken to suggest for one second what youre saying is accurate? www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/stoke-city-butland-transfer-speculation-2089498
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Butland
Aug 6, 2020 12:14:22 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2020 12:14:22 GMT
You realise that link confirms nothing you are saying other than he switched agents. It actually says the switch was amicable
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 6, 2020 12:15:26 GMT
theathletic.co.uk/1973338/2020/08/06/sensible-transfers-west-ham-rico-henry-antonee-robinson-butland-eberechi-eze-fredericks/Although Fabianski, whose deal runs out in June, made a few errors during the second half of the season, it is unlikely Darren Randolph or David Martin will dislodge him from the team. He needs stronger competition to keep him on his toes and West Ham have previously been linked with a move for Stoke City’s England international Jack Butland. The Athletic understands the Championship club have lowered their £20 million valuation for the 27-year-old as they no longer consider it to be “realistic”. West Ham could test the waters by making an offer.
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Butland
Aug 6, 2020 12:17:31 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2020 12:17:31 GMT
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Butland
Aug 6, 2020 12:24:10 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2020 12:24:10 GMT
What are you doing? Do you have any proof whatsoever that Butland didnt/doesnt want to play for us and ditched Beswicks because they failed to find him new club?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2020 12:28:16 GMT
What are you doing? Do you have any proof whatsoever that Butland didnt/doesnt want to play for us and ditched Beswicks because they failed to find him new club? I am just saying , he got himself a new agent to try and find a new club . That's how the papers reported it and tbh that's how I personally saw it . If you see it differently ,and think it means he has simply swapped his agent , then that's fine , I have never met him . I wouldn't know .You may well be right .
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Butland
Aug 6, 2020 12:38:14 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 6, 2020 12:38:14 GMT
Butland agenda my arse. My only agenda as ever is one that sees Stoke win as many games as possible. It’s been clear that didn’t involve Jack Butland for some years now. 'My only agenda as ever is one that sees Stoke win as many games as possible' that's really difficult to accept given a lot of the stuff you post Think we can all agree Butland has been appalling, the only argument is for how long & whether he can recover his pre-appalling form (I think general consensus is maybe but that he needs to move to another club to do so) However your assertion re his 'crocodile tears' at relegation and that his attitude is poor which you can divine from his body language is seriously bizarre. hope to god you are never on a jury you would convict someone before the trial starts. Like what? Even when I’ve wanted us to lose it’s so Jones would get sacked so we could actually win more games in the long run. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Why is it bizarre? He clearly doesn’t give a shit. One of the biggest issues at the club for years.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Aug 6, 2020 13:24:53 GMT
The amount of people who think our players have "I have to play when I'm fit" clauses in their contracts is bizzare. I guarantee you none of them have that inserted in their contracts. You explain the mysterious neck injury to Butland then?!? That was clearly bollocks and was just to save face
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Post by femark on Aug 6, 2020 14:13:32 GMT
The amount of people who think our players have "I have to play when I'm fit" clauses in their contracts is bizzare. I guarantee you none of them have that inserted in their contracts. You explain the mysterious neck injury to Butland then?!? That was clearly bollocks and was just to save face Surely that disproves the "I have to play when I'm fit" clause? He was dropped on form and they made up an injury to save face. If he had said clause and he wasn't actually injured, then they wouldn't be able to do that...
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Post by Miles Offside on Aug 6, 2020 14:48:46 GMT
Jack needs a move for his sake and ours.
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Post by lordb on Aug 6, 2020 16:20:32 GMT
'My only agenda as ever is one that sees Stoke win as many games as possible' that's really difficult to accept given a lot of the stuff you post Think we can all agree Butland has been appalling, the only argument is for how long & whether he can recover his pre-appalling form (I think general consensus is maybe but that he needs to move to another club to do so) However your assertion re his 'crocodile tears' at relegation and that his attitude is poor which you can divine from his body language is seriously bizarre. hope to god you are never on a jury you would convict someone before the trial starts. Like what? Even when I’ve wanted us to lose it’s so Jones would get sacked so we could actually win more games in the long run. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Why is it bizarre? He clearly doesn’t give a shit. One of the biggest issues at the club for years. 'Even when I’ve wanted us to lose' there are no circumstances where genuinely wanting Stoke to lose acceptable, none 'He clearly doesn’t give a shit' - how can you tell this? what statements has he made to make you think this? what actions has he made to make you think this? he's form has gone down & down & down, we have all seen that but as far as I can see Butland is a good pro who clearly does give a shit - that's why he cried when he went down . Personally I think it's a really sad tale
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 6, 2020 16:39:49 GMT
Like what? Even when I’ve wanted us to lose it’s so Jones would get sacked so we could actually win more games in the long run. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Why is it bizarre? He clearly doesn’t give a shit. One of the biggest issues at the club for years. 'Even when I’ve wanted us to lose' there are no circumstances where genuinely wanting Stoke to lose acceptable, none 'He clearly doesn’t give a shit' - how can you tell this? what statements has he made to make you think this? what actions has he made to make you think this? he's form has gone down & down & down, we have all seen that but as far as I can see Butland is a good pro who clearly does give a shit - that's why he cried when he went down . Personally I think it's a really sad tale I think he cares a little bit too much in reality. His form is horrendous and his confidence is clearly in tatters but I don't for one minute believe he isn't bothered. The opposite is more likely in my opinion.
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Butland
Aug 6, 2020 16:48:13 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 6, 2020 16:48:13 GMT
Like what? Even when I’ve wanted us to lose it’s so Jones would get sacked so we could actually win more games in the long run. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Why is it bizarre? He clearly doesn’t give a shit. One of the biggest issues at the club for years. 'Even when I’ve wanted us to lose' there are no circumstances where genuinely wanting Stoke to lose acceptable, none 'He clearly doesn’t give a shit' - how can you tell this? what statements has he made to make you think this? what actions has he made to make you think this? he's form has gone down & down & down, we have all seen that but as far as I can see Butland is a good pro who clearly does give a shit - that's why he cried when he went down . Personally I think it's a really sad tale Of course there are. Getting rid of Jones was far better for this club than winning. And we needed to lose for it to happen. Losing to Soton when Hughes was manager was better for this club. Anyone who actually cares would take that short term pain over the long term issues the win extends. So what else is there? Most games when he’s acting like a complete bellend on the pitch. Those tears were fake as fuck.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 6, 2020 17:22:52 GMT
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Post by cheadlestokie on Aug 6, 2020 17:28:13 GMT
The amount of people who think our players have "I have to play when I'm fit" clauses in their contracts is bizzare. I guarantee you none of them have that inserted in their contracts. You explain the mysterious neck injury to Butland then?!? That was clearly bollocks and was just to save face Well if it was bollocks they went to the expense of an MRI scan at the Nuffield because he went in for the scan just before me.
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Butland
Aug 6, 2020 17:41:38 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 6, 2020 17:41:38 GMT
He'll go to Burnley when Pope leaves for Chelsea.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 6, 2020 17:48:31 GMT
He'll go to Burnley when Pope leaves for Chelsea. Yeah, possibly. If you're British and have played for Stoke, you're automatically on Dyche's shortlist I think he'll be very lucky to get a Prem starting role though.
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Butland
Aug 6, 2020 18:15:07 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2020 18:15:07 GMT
'Even when I’ve wanted us to lose' there are no circumstances where genuinely wanting Stoke to lose acceptable, none 'He clearly doesn’t give a shit' - how can you tell this? what statements has he made to make you think this? what actions has he made to make you think this? he's form has gone down & down & down, we have all seen that but as far as I can see Butland is a good pro who clearly does give a shit - that's why he cried when he went down . Personally I think it's a really sad tale Of course there are. Getting rid of Jones was far better for this club than winning. And we needed to lose for it to happen. Losing to Soton when Hughes was manager was better for this club. Anyone who actually cares would take that short term pain over the long term issues the win extends. So what else is there? Most games when he’s acting like a complete bellend on the pitch. Those tears were fake as fuck. Yeah I think he cried live on national TV for no reason at all. I think the other players who weren't crying were actually crying cus they cared. Butland....what a wanker 🙄
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Post by robbie on Aug 6, 2020 18:20:16 GMT
If you see Butland joining the celebrations after the late winner against Sheffield Wednesday you'll know he cares
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2020 18:23:33 GMT
Either Burnley or West Ham would be a brilliant move for Butland, and one he needs. Both clubs he would go and be number 2, give him instantly something higher to fight for and focus on and at either club would be playing under a good manager - both with good track records with goalkeepers.
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Butland
Aug 6, 2020 18:24:59 GMT
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Post by neddy on Aug 6, 2020 18:24:59 GMT
Either Burnley or West Ham would be a brilliant move for Butland, and one he needs. Both clubs he would go and be number 2, give him instantly something higher to fight for and focus on and at either club would be playing under a good manager - both with good track records with goalkeepers. Can’t see with 1 year left anything more than circa £1m?
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Butland
Aug 6, 2020 18:28:19 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2020 18:28:19 GMT
Either Burnley or West Ham would be a brilliant move for Butland, and one he needs. Both clubs he would go and be number 2, give him instantly something higher to fight for and focus on and at either club would be playing under a good manager - both with good track records with goalkeepers. Can’t see with 1 year left anything more than circa £1m? I wouldn't know where to start valuing him now. His bad form and only a year left? God knows.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 6, 2020 19:29:26 GMT
Don't suppose Sheff U would be interested?
You'd think they could get him for an absolute fraction of what'd take to get Ramsdale.
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Butland
Aug 6, 2020 19:35:24 GMT
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Aug 6, 2020 19:35:24 GMT
'My only agenda as ever is one that sees Stoke win as many games as possible' that's really difficult to accept given a lot of the stuff you post Think we can all agree Butland has been appalling, the only argument is for how long & whether he can recover his pre-appalling form (I think general consensus is maybe but that he needs to move to another club to do so) However your assertion re his 'crocodile tears' at relegation and that his attitude is poor which you can divine from his body language is seriously bizarre. hope to god you are never on a jury you would convict someone before the trial starts. Like what? Even when I’ve wanted us to lose it’s so Jones would get sacked so we could actually win more games in the long run. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Why is it bizarre? He clearly doesn’t give a shit. One of the biggest issues at the club for years. That’s bollocks Bayern, I wanted Lambert gone but I didn’t want us to lose to Everton or Palace!
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Post by mrcoke on Aug 6, 2020 20:06:23 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 6, 2020 20:06:54 GMT
Like what? Even when I’ve wanted us to lose it’s so Jones would get sacked so we could actually win more games in the long run. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Why is it bizarre? He clearly doesn’t give a shit. One of the biggest issues at the club for years. That’s bollocks Bayern, I wanted Lambert gone but I didn’t want us to lose to Everton or Palace! That's different. We had to win those games to stay up and that was far more important! I wouldn't piss on Lambert if he was on fire but I wanted him to win those games. Wanting us to lose with 75% of the season left knowing that we deserve better and it gives you the best chance of staying up is just sensible isn't it? Same with Hughes and that Soton game.
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Butland
Aug 6, 2020 20:42:19 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2020 20:42:19 GMT
If you see Butland joining the celebrations after the late winner against Sheffield Wednesday you'll know he cares I genuinely wish him well , good luck to him .But for two corner kicks in succession he stayed rooted to his line v Sheff weds , without even thinking about coming and collecting the ball , or even just punching it clear . Making the score Stoke 1 Sheff weds 2 . We all had a mental when Joe Allen and James McClean ran their hearts out to win us that match . I bet butland was mighty relieved when the winner went in .But it's not a great advertisement for his commitment to the club . Two successive corner kicks and he has ducked out of them . They were really good corner kicks , but he can't keep saying ...oh nice corner kick ...I think I will leave that one ... when he is our goalie
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2020 21:20:25 GMT
If you see Butland joining the celebrations after the late winner against Sheffield Wednesday you'll know he cares I genuinely wish him well , good luck to him .But for two corner kicks in succession he stayed rooted to his line v Sheff weds , without even thinking about coming and collecting the ball , or even just punching it clear . Making the score Stoke 1 Sheff weds 2 . We all had a mental when Joe Allen and James McClean ran their hearts out to win us that match . I bet butland was mighty relieved when the winner went in .But it's not a great advertisement for his commitment to the club . Two successive corner kicks and he has ducked out of them . They were really good corner kicks , but he can't keep saying ...oh nice corner kick ...I think I will leave that one ... when he is our goalie Im going to let you have a Google search for the highlights. Once you've watched them you can come back on here and say: "My angst towards Butland has clearly faltered my memory. There was no way he could have come for the first cross as the player flicks it on 10 yards away from where Butland is correctly positioned with the ball about 1 foot off the floor. The 2nd one is very difficult for him to come floor as there are players between him and the ball. He makes a superb save from the header though and then there isn't a Stoke player in sight on the rebound."
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Post by Squeekster on Aug 6, 2020 21:21:11 GMT
No way is Butland on £60k a week he openly admits it was only right to take a pay cut as he part of the team that got relegated.
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Butland
Aug 6, 2020 21:30:27 GMT
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Post by lordb on Aug 6, 2020 21:30:27 GMT
I genuinely wish him well , good luck to him .But for two corner kicks in succession he stayed rooted to his line v Sheff weds , without even thinking about coming and collecting the ball , or even just punching it clear . Making the score Stoke 1 Sheff weds 2 . We all had a mental when Joe Allen and James McClean ran their hearts out to win us that match . I bet butland was mighty relieved when the winner went in .But it's not a great advertisement for his commitment to the club . Two successive corner kicks and he has ducked out of them . They were really good corner kicks , but he can't keep saying ...oh nice corner kick ...I think I will leave that one ... when he is our goalie Im going to let you have a Google search for the highlights. Once you've watched them you can come back on here and say: "My angst towards Butland has clearly faltered my memory. There was no way he could have come for the first cross as the player flicks it on 10 yards away from where Butland is correctly positioned with the ball about 1 foot off the floor. The 2nd one is very difficult for him to come floor as there are players between him and the ball. He makes a superb save from the header though and then there isn't a Stoke player in sight on the rebound." Yes, this was said at the time too. The first goal...how anyone could expect the goalkeeper to do anything about that is ridiculous. The second one, less obvious but not one to blame the keeper on. Butland has made a ton of howlers so it was bizarre to pick out those two goals.
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