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Butland
Aug 5, 2020 23:56:01 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 5, 2020 23:56:01 GMT
You think he gives a shit? His attitude is appalling and it shocks how people can’t see it. The crocodile tears when we were relegated were one of the most pathetic sights witnessed in a long time from a Stoke player. He just gives me the impression that he hates it here and tbh I don’t blame him. He tried to get a move with beswicks a couple of years ago .It didn't happen .He blamed beswicks and got a more high profile agent ( either wayne Rooney's agent or the agent who got Wayne Rooney his move to man utd , I forget which , but one or the other . He couldn't find any takers ( last summer ) either !! Anyway , what ever it was , getting in a new high profile agent, only to find out...still nobody wants you .. hardly counts as loyalty And he treats the fans with contempt most games and has done for years. But it never seems to get picked up on. He’s lucky with the treatment he’s had tbh like the rest of them they deserved more stick than they have got. He couldn’t take it. I’ve never got the feeling he wanted to be here, which again doesn’t bother me but what does is the fakery around that and the stick he seems immune to unlike others. One season wonder. And as today has shown, winning player of the year means absolutely fuck all.
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Butland
Aug 6, 2020 0:18:56 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2020 0:18:56 GMT
I am amazed at how many life lines he has had ...it's as if he has been on who wants to be a millionaire...and has some heavy HEAVY dirt on Jeremy Clarkson that Clarkson really doesn't want to come out .
My recollection of events , he tried to relegate us , but got injured and Lee grant came in and saved the day . Then he did relegate us ( what was going on at Leicester and every penalty kick versus everyone ?)
Then he tried to get relegate us again but NJ saw the light and dropped him , and federici came in to steady things a little . Then he tried to relegate us again , causing MoN to say after the Leeds game that things were not right in the Stoke dressing room , and Davies to come in and save the day .
He actually managed to finish the season with worst stats than feds ...more goals per game conceded and less per cent of the shots on target saved than federici , despite feds playing every game under NJ
If he is still here come September he has massive dirt on JC and TS , never mind Clarkson
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Butland
Aug 6, 2020 7:15:23 GMT
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Post by PotteringThrough on Aug 6, 2020 7:15:23 GMT
Can't you be both or do you actively seek Jack to fail? I like Jack. I think he gives a shit about the club. I think he should move on to get his career back on track and I genuinely think he can do it to get back to the top level. He is good enough we just don't seem to be a good match at the moment. If he does leave I genuinely hope he sorts himself out and gets back to being a top class keeper. You think he gives a shit? His attitude is appalling and it shocks how people can’t see it. The crocodile tears when we were relegated were one of the most pathetic sights witnessed in a long time from a Stoke player. He just gives me the impression that he hates it here and tbh I don’t blame him. Yeah I do think he gives a shit. I think he's a professional. I think the issue was got is his confidence has gone and everything he does seems to go the wrong way. I've not seen any negative comments about the way he trains or anyone disliking him in the club. You disagree, that's fine.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 6, 2020 7:17:07 GMT
You think he gives a shit? His attitude is appalling and it shocks how people can’t see it. The crocodile tears when we were relegated were one of the most pathetic sights witnessed in a long time from a Stoke player. He just gives me the impression that he hates it here and tbh I don’t blame him. Yeah I do think he gives a shit. I think he's a professional. I think the issue was got is his confidence has gone and everything he does seems to go the wrong way. I've not seen any negative comments about the way he trains or anyone disliking him in the club. You disagree, that's fine. So you need to see comments about that sort of thing? His attitude and body language on the pitch has been abysmal for years now.
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Butland
Aug 6, 2020 7:17:46 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2020 7:17:46 GMT
He’s posted a ‘new season, let’s go 👊🏼‘ on his Instagram as training starts today. He must be over his injury
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Butland
Aug 6, 2020 7:18:23 GMT
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Post by lordb on Aug 6, 2020 7:18:23 GMT
He’s posted a ‘new season, let’s go 👊🏼‘ on his Instagram as training starts today. He must be over his injury He was on the bench the last match wasn't he?
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Post by PotteringThrough on Aug 6, 2020 7:20:01 GMT
Yeah I do think he gives a shit. I think he's a professional. I think the issue was got is his confidence has gone and everything he does seems to go the wrong way. I've not seen any negative comments about the way he trains or anyone disliking him in the club. You disagree, that's fine. So you need to see comments about that sort of thing? His attitude and body language on the pitch has been abysmal for years now. We see it about plenty of others on here. Sorry, must have missed it so congratulations on it but when did you become a psychology/body language expert?
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Butland
Aug 6, 2020 7:25:44 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 6, 2020 7:25:44 GMT
So you need to see comments about that sort of thing? His attitude and body language on the pitch has been abysmal for years now. We see it about plenty of others on here. Sorry, must have missed it so congratulations on it but when did you become a psychology/body language expert? Do we? Who? There might be one or two but it’s not a common thing. You don’t need to be when he’s telling the crowd to fuck off (or words to that effect) every other game because they dare to give this shower shit a bit of stick.
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Butland
Aug 6, 2020 7:27:53 GMT
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Post by PotteringThrough on Aug 6, 2020 7:27:53 GMT
We see it about plenty of others on here. Sorry, must have missed it so congratulations on it but when did you become a psychology/body language expert? Do we? Who? There might be one or two but it’s not a common thing. You don’t need to be when he’s telling the crowd to fuck off (or words to that effect) every other game because they dare to give this shower shit a bit of stick. That's true - you don't need to be an expert in anything to know it all. Fair play. Anyway, you could be right about Jack - I think te majority of us agree that the best thing is for us to part ways.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 6, 2020 8:09:47 GMT
We see it about plenty of others on here. Sorry, must have missed it so congratulations on it but when did you become a psychology/body language expert? Do we? Who? There might be one or two but it’s not a common thing. You don’t need to be when he’s telling the crowd to fuck off (or words to that effect) every other game because they dare to give this shower shit a bit of stick. Haven't you pretty much done the same with your comments regarding stoke fans and james mcleans player of season award? Maybe he just takes your lead and holds stoke fans with the same contempt you do?
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Post by tachyon on Aug 6, 2020 8:22:22 GMT
JB's shot stopping performance since he was on loan at Derby in 2014/15. Peaks above the zero are better than average, peaks below aren't. Overall more peaks than dips. Substantial dips post his injury that required three surgeries. (Who'd have thought!) Also this season's well documented decline.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 6, 2020 8:22:27 GMT
Do we? Who? There might be one or two but it’s not a common thing. You don’t need to be when he’s telling the crowd to fuck off (or words to that effect) every other game because they dare to give this shower shit a bit of stick. Haven't you pretty much done the same with your comments regarding stoke fans and james mcleans player of season award? Maybe he just takes your lead and holds stoke fans with the same contempt you do? That's why I've said I get it Dave (see post further up) What I don't get is that people don't see it despite it being bloody obvious.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Aug 6, 2020 8:54:01 GMT
We are stuck with him Im afraid.
I just hope that MON has told him hes not a guaranteed starter next season.
Unfortunately I still believe he has a clause in his contract that states "must play if fit"
I hope Im wrong
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 6, 2020 8:58:21 GMT
We are stuck with him Im afraid. I just hope that MON has told him hes not a guaranteed starter next season. Unfortunately I still believe he has a clause in his contract that states "must play if fit" I hope Im wrong The fact he was dropped twice last season suggests that your belief is based on total bollocks.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 6, 2020 9:04:12 GMT
We are stuck with him Im afraid. I just hope that MON has told him hes not a guaranteed starter next season. Unfortunately I still believe he has a clause in his contract that states "must play if fit" I hope Im wrong The fact he was dropped twice last season suggests that your belief is based on total bollocks. Why the fuck was he bought back in? It was madness and you had loads of people on here and Twitter wanking him over after he scored a penalty saying he deserved a chance because of it. It really was laughable. A penalty shoot out created by one of his mistakes.
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Butland
Aug 6, 2020 9:28:17 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 6, 2020 9:28:17 GMT
The fact he was dropped twice last season suggests that your belief is based on total bollocks. Why the fuck was he bought back in? It was madness and you had loads of people on here and Twitter wanking him over after he scored a penalty saying he deserved a chance because of it. It really was laughable. A penalty shoot out created by one of his mistakes. He was bought back because our results and goals conceded tally was worse with Federici than it was with butland. Just because you and others couldn't see that doesn't mean it didn't happen. When a keeper came in and did well, butland stayed out of the team.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 6, 2020 9:38:18 GMT
Why the fuck was he bought back in? It was madness and you had loads of people on here and Twitter wanking him over after he scored a penalty saying he deserved a chance because of it. It really was laughable. A penalty shoot out created by one of his mistakes. He was bought back because our results and goals conceded tally was worse with Federici than it was with butland. Just because you and others couldn't see that doesn't mean it didn't happen. When a keeper came in and did well, butland stayed out of the team. Federici was playing better than Butland and really? We won a game with Federici in, one of two under Jones this season? He was saving stuff that Butland wouldn't have done.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 6, 2020 9:58:42 GMT
Why the fuck was he bought back in? It was madness and you had loads of people on here and Twitter wanking him over after he scored a penalty saying he deserved a chance because of it. It really was laughable. A penalty shoot out created by one of his mistakes. He was bought back because our results and goals conceded tally was worse with Federici than it was with butland. Just because you and others couldn't see that doesn't mean it didn't happen. When a keeper came in and did well, butland stayed out of the team. Just checked and both of our wins under Jones this season in the league came with Federici in goal!
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Post by xchpotter on Aug 6, 2020 10:20:31 GMT
I genuinely hope someone gets inside his head to help him as I think this will see results. With a little competition between him and Davies, a good goalkeeping coach, some support for his head and attitude, he could get back on track. If he is still the same despite this, then I’m afraid any return to a top level will be really difficult to achieve.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Aug 6, 2020 10:26:57 GMT
The amount of people who think our players have "I have to play when I'm fit" clauses in their contracts is bizzare. I guarantee you none of them have that inserted in their contracts.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 6, 2020 10:27:55 GMT
Sell him for whatever price anyone offers.
He may well come good at a new club, but he's a liability for us.
Out of 19 penalties faced with us, he's saved not one.
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Butland
Aug 6, 2020 10:42:20 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2020 10:42:20 GMT
So let's quickly analyse this. There was a post saying he was voted Supporters group player of the season 18/19 so he cant have been as bad as you (and others) were saying. You refute this saying he made many, many mistakes that season. I ask you to pick 5 games where he did, easy given how often his mistakes were purported to be. You pick some games and go as far as giving us a synopsis on one of the games goals which turns out to be utter horseshit. Bar Leeds there are no mistakes. Not one. In fact there are some very good saves. Having realised you have made a total cock of yourself you maintain that Butland is wank, ask us to watch a game from this season which has fuck all to do with the original post and then call me an orc despite the fact that it's you that is being an absolute fucking bellend. I don't no why you would dislike a player to the point where you have to create untruths about them? Maybe you just don't like keepers full stop? Hang on......were you the victim of Foxys glove! So you are a butland supporter and not a Stoke supporter. The performances by him in those clips are terrible, he is a low league standard and was very lucky to play in the premiership and will never play in the premiership again. No wonder there is problems behind the scenes when Begovic and Grant where dropped for butland I don't dislike him, don't know him, he is just not good enough for Stoke City. You are making yourself look silly again with all the swearing and a lame attempt at some sort of humour. Keep throwing stones at the moon. No mate. I support both. You live in your fantasy world where a keeper who at the time was quite rightly England's number one was lucky to play in the Premiership. You live in your fantasy world where video clips clearly show your speaking nonsense. You live in your fantasy world where you say a player scores from outside the box and runs back to halfway laughing even though this clearly didn't happen. Ill throw as many stones at the moon I want, at least I'm on the right planet to do so.
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Butland
Aug 6, 2020 10:47:26 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2020 10:47:26 GMT
He was bought back because our results and goals conceded tally was worse with Federici than it was with butland. Just because you and others couldn't see that doesn't mean it didn't happen. When a keeper came in and did well, butland stayed out of the team. Federici was playing better than Butland and really? We won a game with Federici in, one of two under Jones this season? He was saving stuff that Butland wouldn't have done. Federici was awful Leeds at home but you ignored that at the time as it didn't suit your Butland agenda
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Butland
Aug 6, 2020 10:49:25 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2020 10:49:25 GMT
I am amazed at how many life lines he has had ...it's as if he has been on who wants to be a millionaire...and has some heavy HEAVY dirt on Jeremy Clarkson that Clarkson really doesn't want to come out . My recollection of events , he tried to relegate us , but got injured and Lee grant came in and saved the day . Then he did relegate us ( what was going on at Leicester and every penalty kick versus everyone ?) Then he tried to get relegate us again but NJ saw the light and dropped him , and federici came in to steady things a little . Then he tried to relegate us again , causing MoN to say after the Leeds game that things were not right in the Stoke dressing room , and Davies to come in and save the day . He actually managed to finish the season with worst stats than feds ...more goals per game conceded and less per cent of the shots on target saved than federici , despite feds playing every game under NJ If he is still here come September he has massive dirt on JC and TS , never mind Clarkson He first ever proper mistake for us was Leicester. 3/4 of the way through the season. I just don't get why you would post made up stuff just to make a point. It makes you look like a dick.
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Butland
Aug 6, 2020 11:09:37 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 6, 2020 11:09:37 GMT
Federici was playing better than Butland and really? We won a game with Federici in, one of two under Jones this season? He was saving stuff that Butland wouldn't have done. Federici was awful Leeds at home but you ignored that at the time as it didn't suit your Butland agenda Butland agenda my arse. My only agenda as ever is one that sees Stoke win as many games as possible. It’s been clear that didn’t involve Jack Butland for some years now.
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Butland
Aug 6, 2020 11:13:16 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2020 11:13:16 GMT
Federici was awful Leeds at home but you ignored that at the time as it didn't suit your Butland agenda Butland agenda my arse. My only agenda as ever is one that sees Stoke win as many games as possible. It’s been clear that didn’t involve Jack Butland for some years now. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 😂😂
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Post by lordb on Aug 6, 2020 11:22:21 GMT
Federici was awful Leeds at home but you ignored that at the time as it didn't suit your Butland agenda Butland agenda my arse. My only agenda as ever is one that sees Stoke win as many games as possible. It’s been clear that didn’t involve Jack Butland for some years now. 'My only agenda as ever is one that sees Stoke win as many games as possible' that's really difficult to accept given a lot of the stuff you post Think we can all agree Butland has been appalling, the only argument is for how long & whether he can recover his pre-appalling form (I think general consensus is maybe but that he needs to move to another club to do so) However your assertion re his 'crocodile tears' at relegation and that his attitude is poor which you can divine from his body language is seriously bizarre. hope to god you are never on a jury you would convict someone before the trial starts.
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Butland
Aug 6, 2020 11:41:09 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2020 11:41:09 GMT
Same with butland as wimmer , he doesn't want to be here and he is welcome to go
He dropped beswicks and got in a more high profile agent to secure him a move , because he doesn't want to be here .
If he wanted to stay, beswicks would have been fine , but he didn't want to stay , which is why he dropped them . Still nobody wanted him , even with a high profile agent.
His stats for the season were awful and worse than both Federici and Davies .He conceded more goals per game than feds despite feds playing all his games under NJ and had a much worse , percentage of shots saved on target .
No hard feelings , hope he turns it round , good luck to both of them but they both have to go ( sold or loaned)
We need reliable players , who play for the team , not primadonna's who think they are doing us a favour playing for us .
Nobody will ever know why Lee grant was dropped to get butland back in the team , likewise federici . Rediculous in the case of Lee grant who was outstanding and earned himself a move to man utd
Lord knows what the last two or three years about , but it has to stop .We need a decent goalie .
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Butland
Aug 6, 2020 11:44:32 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2020 11:44:32 GMT
Same with butland as wimmer , he doesn't want to be here and he is welcome to go He dropped beswicks and got in a more high profile agent to secure him a move , because he doesn't want to be here . If he wanted to stay, beswicks would have been fine , but he didn't want to stay , which is why he dropped them . Still nobody wanted him , even with a high profile agent. His stats for the season were awful and worse than both Federici and Davies .He conceded more goals per game than feds despite feds playing all his games under NJ and had a much worse , percentage of shots saved on target . No hard feelings , hope he turns it round , good luck to both of them but they both have to go ( sold or loaned) We need reliable players , who play for the team , not primadonna's who think they are doing us a favour playing for us . Nobody will ever know why Lee grant was dropped to get butland back in the team , likewise federici . Rediculous in the case of Lee grant who was outstanding and earned himself a move to man utd Lord knows what the last two or three years about , but it has to stop .We need a decent goalie . You keep harping on about this Beswicks thing but none of the solicitors from Beswicks I've spoken to suggest for one second what youre saying is accurate?
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Butland
Aug 6, 2020 11:45:59 GMT
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Aug 6, 2020 11:45:59 GMT
In 4 years he's gone from England Keeper worth around £30m+, to someone you wouldn't even want as a No 2 at a Championship club.
You can't see a Premiership club wanting him, or a Championship club looking to get promoted.
Maybe his only option is to go abroad if he wants top flight football again.
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