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Post by Bojan Mackey on Mar 7, 2021 22:16:58 GMT
Butland’s decline is truly upsetting. He was one of the best in the business at his peak for us and now he’s reserve fodder for a shit bottom half Premiership side at the age of 27, which should mean he’s in his prime. Completely shot. I know his time here was up, but how the fuck is he supposed to rebuild his career as Crystal Palace's number 3 keeper? He would have been better off signing for another Championship club or even league one side. It was evident he still believed he was a Premiership goalkeeper. He either doesn’t realise or doesn’t wish to acknowledge just how far his stock has fallen.
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Post by callas12 on Mar 7, 2021 22:40:49 GMT
2nd choice he appears to be at Palace as a regular on the bench but that still isn't a great place to be when aim sure his main intention was to command the number 1 jersey as first choice keeper & put himself in the window again for a possible England recall. That certainly doesn't look like happening any time soon as there appears to be a new crop of good quality England keepers coming through the ranks. As others have a said being a No.1 at a Champo would have probably been his best bet but unless Hodgson sees fit to dislodge Guaita or he picks up an injury then its unlikely Butland will have gained any starts on his Premier League return. Fact Hodgson may leave Palace in the summer could also affect his future chances of being 1st choice keeper there if a new manager doesn't rate him..
Is a sad demise of someone who once appeared to on the brink of becoming one of England's greats.
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 7, 2021 22:48:17 GMT
He'll be 28 on Wednesday
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 7, 2021 22:54:41 GMT
I know his time here was up, but how the fuck is he supposed to rebuild his career as Crystal Palace's number 3 keeper? He would have been better off signing for another Championship club or even league one side. It was evident he still believed he was a Premiership goalkeeper. He either doesn’t realise or doesn’t wish to acknowledge just how far his stock has fallen. Premiership his first interview at Palace he was wittering on about England like he hadn't just spent 12 months finding new and ingenious ways to let the ball into the net. The other keepers are out of contract so he will likely start as number 2 next year but he really needs to concentrate on getting into the palace team and forget about England, I hope he manages too turn his career around as he does seem a genuinely decent guy.
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Post by pottersrule on Mar 7, 2021 23:44:36 GMT
It was evident he still believed he was a Premiership goalkeeper. He either doesn’t realise or doesn’t wish to acknowledge just how far his stock has fallen. Premiership his first interview at Palace he was wittering on about England like he hadn't just spent 12 months finding new and ingenious ways to let the ball into the net. The other keepers are out of contract so he will likely start as number 2 next year but he really needs to concentrate on getting into the palace team and forget about England, I hope he manages too turn his career around as he does seem a genuinely decent guy. I don't think his long time girlfriend/fiancé who he cheated on would agree with you there.
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 8, 2021 0:55:09 GMT
All things considered it was the injury wot done it for him. He’s never got remotely close to that one good season he had for us
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Post by iancransonsknees on Mar 8, 2021 4:40:13 GMT
All things considered it was the injury wot done it for him. He’s never got remotely close to that one good season he had for us People forget the quality of the defence protecting him at the time too. Never managed to improve on his distribution either. Useless at kicking but I struggle to recall him being able to throw the ball out either.
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Post by pottersrule on Mar 8, 2021 6:27:29 GMT
All things considered it was the injury wot done it for him. He’s never got remotely close to that one good season he had for us People forget the quality of the defence protecting him at the time too. Never managed to improve on his distribution either. Useless at kicking but I struggle to recall him being able to throw the ball out either. If he had stuck to Rugby his kicking would have been faultless.
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Post by BraveSirRobin on Mar 8, 2021 7:25:58 GMT
Premiership his first interview at Palace he was wittering on about England like he hadn't just spent 12 months finding new and ingenious ways to let the ball into the net. The other keepers are out of contract so he will likely start as number 2 next year but he really needs to concentrate on getting into the palace team and forget about England, I hope he manages too turn his career around as he does seem a genuinely decent guy. I don't think his long time girlfriend/fiancé who he cheated on would agree with you there. Is he still with her?
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Post by nonameface on Mar 8, 2021 7:39:42 GMT
Premiership his first interview at Palace he was wittering on about England like he hadn't just spent 12 months finding new and ingenious ways to let the ball into the net. The other keepers are out of contract so he will likely start as number 2 next year but he really needs to concentrate on getting into the palace team and forget about England, I hope he manages too turn his career around as he does seem a genuinely decent guy. I don't think his long time girlfriend/fiancé who he cheated on would agree with you there. his form has taken a nosedive since then. Maybe he's focusing on the wrong/right things now?
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Post by iglugluk on Mar 8, 2021 11:06:01 GMT
Premiership his first interview at Palace he was wittering on about England like he hadn't just spent 12 months finding new and ingenious ways to let the ball into the net. The other keepers are out of contract so he will likely start as number 2 next year but he really needs to concentrate on getting into the palace team and forget about England, I hope he manages too turn his career around as he does seem a genuinely decent guy. I don't think his long time girlfriend/fiancé who he cheated on would agree with you there. Thus she's probably not the best person to judge whether he's decent or not.
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Post by nott1 on Mar 8, 2021 11:32:50 GMT
He's not improved then since we let him go!
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Post by flea79 on Mar 8, 2021 11:37:34 GMT
I don't think his long time girlfriend/fiancé who he cheated on would agree with you there. his form has taken a nosedive since then. Maybe he's focusing on the wrong/right things now? quite a few years back though wasnt it this?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 8, 2021 12:23:00 GMT
Butland’s decline is truly upsetting. He was one of the best in the business at his peak for us and now he’s reserve fodder for a shit bottom half Premiership side at the age of 27, which should mean he’s in his prime. Completely shot. I know his time here was up, but how the fuck is he supposed to rebuild his career as Crystal Palace's number 3 keeper? He would have been better off signing for another Championship club or even league one side. I think, or at least hope, that you are both wrong and the league 1 comment is just silly. Jack is clearly no2 at Palace and Guita has had a really good spell. His form has dipped of late though and if it continues, I suspect and hope that Jack will be given his chance to claim that no1 shirt. I actually think the prolonged spell out of the limelight will do him good. He'll have had ample time to settle at his new club, looks like he's settled in a new home, he's a 2nd child on the way and his personal life seems happy and secure. When he gets his chance, I'd back him to take it. His one game to date he was excellent and rightly got the MOM award and I'm sure he will do the same as and when he gets another chance. At 27/28, he's far to young in goalkeeper terms to be written off.
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Post by boydcrowder on Mar 8, 2021 12:27:37 GMT
I know his time here was up, but how the fuck is he supposed to rebuild his career as Crystal Palace's number 3 keeper? He would have been better off signing for another Championship club or even league one side. I think, or at least hope, that you are both wrong and the league 1 comment is just silly. Jack is clearly no2 at Palace and Guita has had a really good spell. His form has dipped of late though and if it continues, I suspect and hope that Jack will be given his chance to claim that no1 shirt. I actually think the prolonged spell out of the limelight will do him good. He'll have had ample time to settle at his new club, looks like he's settled in a new home, he's a 2nd child on the way and his personal life seems happy and secure. When he gets his chance, I'd back him to take it. His one game to date he was excellent and rightly got the MOM award and I'm sure he will do the same as and when he gets another chance. At 27/28, he's far to young in goalkeeper terms to be written off. There does seem to be a trend of young England goalkeepers who start off looking the bollocks but get more shit as they get older when they should be getting towards their prime. Joe Hart Jack Butland Jordan Pickford Either that or something to do with having a first name beginning with J
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 8, 2021 12:31:19 GMT
I think, or at least hope, that you are both wrong and the league 1 comment is just silly. Jack is clearly no2 at Palace and Guita has had a really good spell. His form has dipped of late though and if it continues, I suspect and hope that Jack will be given his chance to claim that no1 shirt. I actually think the prolonged spell out of the limelight will do him good. He'll have had ample time to settle at his new club, looks like he's settled in a new home, he's a 2nd child on the way and his personal life seems happy and secure. When he gets his chance, I'd back him to take it. His one game to date he was excellent and rightly got the MOM award and I'm sure he will do the same as and when he gets another chance. At 27/28, he's far to young in goalkeeper terms to be written off. There does seem to be a trend of young England goalkeepers who start off looking the bollocks but get more shit as they get older when they should be getting towards their prime. Joe Hart Jack Butland Jordan Pickford Either that or something to do with having a first name beginning with J Pep destroyed Joe Hart though I was never convinced he was all that good anyway. Pickford has never been any good in my opinion and his distribution is hugely hyped Jack was a terrific goalkeeper and the injury he had was both serious and very untimely. Time will tell if it was the injury that finished him or whether playing at a club losing every week simply damaged his confidence. I like and liked Jack and I would love to see him resurrect his career and do well.
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Post by wilcopotter on Mar 8, 2021 16:14:40 GMT
Completely forgot about him, we’ve had 3 keepers since who have played just as good since his last form for us before he left. Good luck to him but who cares, he wanted away, he’s got it, fair play jog on Jack.
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Post by songthrush01 on Mar 8, 2021 16:47:11 GMT
Premiership his first interview at Palace he was wittering on about England like he hadn't just spent 12 months finding new and ingenious ways to let the ball into the net. The other keepers are out of contract so he will likely start as number 2 next year but he really needs to concentrate on getting into the palace team and forget about England, I hope he manages too turn his career around as he does seem a genuinely decent guy. I don't think his long time girlfriend/fiancé who he cheated on would agree with you there. said at the time.this could be his demise. and so it has,to up himself.
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Post by moon on Mar 8, 2021 17:30:35 GMT
I think, or at least hope, that you are both wrong and the league 1 comment is just silly. Jack is clearly no2 at Palace and Guita has had a really good spell. His form has dipped of late though and if it continues, I suspect and hope that Jack will be given his chance to claim that no1 shirt. I actually think the prolonged spell out of the limelight will do him good. He'll have had ample time to settle at his new club, looks like he's settled in a new home, he's a 2nd child on the way and his personal life seems happy and secure. When he gets his chance, I'd back him to take it. His one game to date he was excellent and rightly got the MOM award and I'm sure he will do the same as and when he gets another chance. At 27/28, he's far to young in goalkeeper terms to be written off. There does seem to be a trend of young England goalkeepers who start off looking the bollocks but get more shit as they get older when they should be getting towards their prime. Joe Hart Jack Butland Jordan Pickford Either that or something to do with having a first name beginning with J It breaks your J rule but I'd add Paul Robinson to that list as well, he looked amazing when he was at Leeds.
Chris Kirkland, Scott Carson, Richard Wright... maybe they get far too much hype in the first place.
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Post by brizzlestokie on Mar 8, 2021 17:32:49 GMT
More than any other position confidence seems to be an absolutely enormous factor doesn't it. Probably the best goalkeeper of the last 10 years (Neuer) has balls of absolute steel doesn't he.
Hope Jack turns it around, but really struggle to see it happening now, at least to any significant degree.
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Post by moon on Mar 8, 2021 17:33:58 GMT
I hope Jack turns it around though, he did look great for a season or two and was really unlucky with the injury he sustained playing for England, his decline after that was staggering but multiple managers still kept faith in him, it's a real shame if he never recaptures that form but he wouldn't be the first GK to suffer that fate.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 8, 2021 18:49:36 GMT
I don't think his long time girlfriend/fiancé who he cheated on would agree with you there. said at the time.this could be his demise. and so it has,to up himself. What a complete and utter load of bollocks. He's not dating a celebrity. He left his long term, childhood sweetheart for a normal woman not some inflated boob tv star. He's got a little boy with a 2nd child on the way. (His 2nd child has now been born) He did what thousands of others do. Met a girl at a young age, stayed with her for a long time then split when he met someone he liked more. He wasnt married and had no kids to leave behind. Comments like this are an absolute joke...and that is being way to polite in truth
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Post by songthrush01 on Mar 11, 2021 20:33:32 GMT
behind every man, is a good woman?
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Post by henry on Mar 11, 2021 21:07:27 GMT
behind every man, is a good woman? In Jack's case it was the ball.
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Post by a on Mar 11, 2021 21:29:38 GMT
Massive fall from grace. Taken the easy way out to rot on the bench at Palace rather than first choice elsewhere. Awful distribution and worse penalty (lack of) saving. Looked a brilliant player but was a big part of our relegation and beyond. Not entirely down to him but you see the low-lights last few seasons and it’s almost a comedy reel. Good luck to him but thank god he’s gone.
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Mar 13, 2021 0:18:06 GMT
He is fourth choice their three other keepers are far superior than Butland, the other three are foreigners. He is only there to make up the home country numbers. He will probably never play a first team competitive game for them Well Butland's sub keeper for Palace again tonight & has been 1st reserve ever since he recovered from CV19. & the injured Wayne Hennessey is back training & match fit & he's hoping he gets to play for Wales in the upcoming Internationals. So suggestions he'll only be 4th choice behind Hennessey & Henderson were slightly off the mark! 🤔🤔
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Post by callas12 on Mar 16, 2021 9:23:12 GMT
Just watched this interview with Jack Butland in which he describes the mental rut he got in to in his latter years with us. Nothing ground breakingly new coming out that we hadn't already presumed but it definitely highlights that he knew what we all did & that he was it basically not for the want of trying that his form fell away.
As was discussed on here he needed a move to create a fresh start & it certainly seems as though the moves done him the world of good & what does come across was that in the main he loved his time at Stoke & certainly has no bad words to say about the club, staff or fans.
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Mar 16, 2021 10:31:00 GMT
Just watched this interview with Jack Butland in which he describes the mental rut he got in to in his latter years with us. Nothing ground breakingly new coming out that we hadn't already presumed but it definitely highlights that he knew what we all did & that he was it basically not for the want of trying that his form fell away. As was discussed on here he needed a move to create a fresh start & it certainly seems as though the moves done him the world of good & what does come across was that in the main he loved his time at Stoke & certainly has no bad words to say about the club, staff or fans. Fair play to him for his honesty and basically confirming what we already knew, that his head had gone and he wasn't able to get back what he had. Butland pre injury to Butland post injury is one of the most startling declines I've ever seen in football.
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