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Post by mrcoke on Aug 6, 2020 21:57:06 GMT
No way is Butland on £60k a week he openly admits it was only right to take a pay cut as he part of the team that got relegated. I agree, I don't know what he is on, but didn't him and Allen get new/revised contracts when we were relegated, to keep them sweet for an immediate bounce back to the Prem.?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 6, 2020 21:57:25 GMT
Don't suppose Sheff U would be interested? You'd think they could get him for an absolute fraction of what'd take to get Ramsdale. I'll go on record now and say Ramsdale is crap and a massive part of why Bournemouth have been relegated. He has zero presence and is very much another Jordan pickford...who at long last has seemingly been spotted as the absolute chance he is.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2020 22:49:24 GMT
Im going to let you have a Google search for the highlights. Once you've watched them you can come back on here and say: "My angst towards Butland has clearly faltered my memory. There was no way he could have come for the first cross as the player flicks it on 10 yards away from where Butland is correctly positioned with the ball about 1 foot off the floor. The 2nd one is very difficult for him to come floor as there are players between him and the ball. He makes a superb save from the header though and then there isn't a Stoke player in sight on the rebound." Yes, this was said at the time too. The first goal...how anyone could expect the goalkeeper to do anything about that is ridiculous. The second one, less obvious but not one to blame the keeper on. Butland has made a ton of howlers so it was bizarre to pick out those two goals. I think people just want to suggest every goal is his fault to castigate him for reasons only known to those persons. Im terms of genuine howlers from memory I can recall: Leicester PL 2018 Leeds EFL 2018 (this to me was a mistake, not sure about it being a howler) QPR EFL 2019 (this to me was a mistake, not sure about it being a howler) Preston EFL 2019 Preston EFL 2019 Forest EFL 2019 (this to me was a mistake, not sure about it being a howler) Wigan EFL 2020 It's clear 2019/20 has been a nightmare for him but to suggest he has been awful for 4/5 seasons is wide of the mark
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Post by owdestokie2 on Aug 6, 2020 23:26:23 GMT
Yes, this was said at the time too. The first goal...how anyone could expect the goalkeeper to do anything about that is ridiculous. The second one, less obvious but not one to blame the keeper on. Butland has made a ton of howlers so it was bizarre to pick out those two goals. I think people just want to suggest every goal is his fault to castigate him for reasons only known to those persons. Im terms of genuine howlers from memory I can recall: Leicester PL 2018 Leeds EFL 2018 (this to me was a mistake, not sure about it being a howler) QPR EFL 2019 (this to me was a mistake, not sure about it being a howler) Preston EFL 2019 Preston EFL 2019 Forest EFL 2019 (this to me was a mistake, not sure about it being a howler) Wigan EFL 2020 It's clear 2019/20 has been a nightmare for him but to suggest he has been awful for 4/5 seasons is wide of the mark Jack Butland was an excellent signing for SCFC @ circa £3M in December 2013 Due to injury problems, time, place, quality of team performance/defensive quality adversely affecting his confidence and career he doesn’t deserve the continued criticism highlighting “certain incidents in certain games” by some learned goalkeeping experts. I hope he turns it around for the benefit of himself and SCFC., it’s a win, win situation. If we part company I hope it’s for the best for both parties, I’ll wish him well for the future. If at SCFC.......great
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Post by upthefud on Aug 7, 2020 1:03:39 GMT
Yes, this was said at the time too. The first goal...how anyone could expect the goalkeeper to do anything about that is ridiculous. The second one, less obvious but not one to blame the keeper on. Butland has made a ton of howlers so it was bizarre to pick out those two goals. I think people just want to suggest every goal is his fault to castigate him for reasons only known to those persons. Im terms of genuine howlers from memory I can recall: Leicester PL 2018 Leeds EFL 2018 (this to me was a mistake, not sure about it being a howler) QPR EFL 2019 (this to me was a mistake, not sure about it being a howler) Preston EFL 2019 Preston EFL 2019 Forest EFL 2019 (this to me was a mistake, not sure about it being a howler) Wigan EFL 2020 It's clear 2019/20 has been a nightmare for him but to suggest he has been awful for 4/5 seasons is wide of the mark Wigan EFL x2 away (so an extra one, either the drop against the bar or the first) Wigan EFL home (causing chaos then booting it into their striker and the ball trickling in) Charlton EFL away (shot from 25 yards going in when straight at him and not overly venomous) Huddersfield EFL away (woeful punch into their attacker) There’s no denying this has been his worst season. Last season wasn’t great either
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Post by Squeekster on Aug 7, 2020 6:34:10 GMT
No way is Butland on £60k a week he openly admits it was only right to take a pay cut as he part of the team that got relegated. I agree, I don't know what he is on, but didn't him and Allen get new/revised contracts when we were relegated, to keep them sweet for an immediate bounce back to the Prem.? I think he was offered one but refused it on the grounds he didn't think it was right after relegation but then my memory isn't what it was.
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Aug 7, 2020 20:12:44 GMT
So you are a butland supporter and not a Stoke supporter. The performances by him in those clips are terrible, he is a low league standard and was very lucky to play in the premiership and will never play in the premiership again. No wonder there is problems behind the scenes when Begovic and Grant where dropped for butland I don't dislike him, don't know him, he is just not good enough for Stoke City. You are making yourself look silly again with all the swearing and a lame attempt at some sort of humour. Keep throwing stones at the moon. No mate. I support both. You live in your fantasy world where a keeper who at the time was quite rightly England's number one was lucky to play in the Premiership. You live in your fantasy world where video clips clearly show your speaking nonsense. You live in your fantasy world where you say a player scores from outside the box and runs back to halfway laughing even though this clearly didn't happen. Ill throw as many stones at the moon I want, at least I'm on the right planet to do so. He was never England number one, played mostly dead rubber games and friendlies, can't be bothered to check. Put the Preston game up and see the players laughing. He is a terrible keeper, hopefully never plays for us again. Put butland mistakes in the search bar, plenty of comments, Anyway good effort you replied without swearing.
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Aug 7, 2020 20:18:38 GMT
You explain the mysterious neck injury to Butland then?!? That was clearly bollocks and was just to save face Well if it was bollocks they went to the expense of an MRI scan at the Nuffield because he went in for the scan just before me. 🙄🙄
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2020 20:19:36 GMT
No mate. I support both. You live in your fantasy world where a keeper who at the time was quite rightly England's number one was lucky to play in the Premiership. You live in your fantasy world where video clips clearly show your speaking nonsense. You live in your fantasy world where you say a player scores from outside the box and runs back to halfway laughing even though this clearly didn't happen. Ill throw as many stones at the moon I want, at least I'm on the right planet to do so. He was never England number one, played mostly dead rubber games and friendlies, can't be bothered to check.Put the Preston game up and see the players laughing. He is a terrible keeper, hopefully never plays for us again. Put butland mistakes in the search bar, plenty of comments, Anyway good effort you replied without swearing. Wouldn't agree with that as Southgate indicated he would play in the 2 friendlies leading up to the WC, was it v Brazil & Germany ? Which suggested that he was the No 1 but he got injured. Anyway doesn't really matter now.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 7, 2020 21:05:03 GMT
Pickford was the #1.
Another shite goalie mind.
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Post by Veritas on Aug 7, 2020 21:53:07 GMT
The amount of people who think our players have "I have to play when I'm fit" clauses in their contracts is bizzare. I guarantee you none of them have that inserted in their contracts. You explain the mysterious neck injury to Butland then?!? That was clearly bollocks and was just to save face More conspiracy theory rubbish
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 7, 2020 23:27:26 GMT
Jack Butland needs a new start somewhere else, but he has the potential to be one of England's better goalkeepers! If you don't lose faith you will come back as one of the best, but unfortunately it won't be as a Stoke City player! Good luck Jack!
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Post by tachyon on Aug 9, 2020 8:01:15 GMT
What might Stoke or another PL/Champ team get from JB in 2020/21
Since 2014/15 in the Championship & PL 52 keepers played a decent number of games and had shotstopping seasons that were worse than the one experienced by JB in 2019/20.
Just over half, 28, played either no part or saw very limited action in the subsequent season.
Most of this 28 either became unused back ups at their club, played, but faced fewer than 10 shots. While 3 dropped down a division or moved to lesser European leagues.
The remaining 24 each faced an average of 100 on target attempts and most remained first choice keepers.
Combined, their shot stopping performances were around league average following their horror season.
A few were outstanding. Smithies, Marshall, Westwood & Green.
A few were almost as bad as they'd been in the prevous season. Guzan, Forster & Lee Camp....year after year.
But most turned in close to par performances for their league.
Best case JB scenario in 2020/21. Back up (at a PL club) or average starter in the Championship (either with Stoke or not), with a small possiblity to surprise in either a good or bad way.
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Post by Beloved Monkfish on Aug 9, 2020 9:04:26 GMT
I think people just want to suggest every goal is his fault to castigate him for reasons only known to those persons. Im terms of genuine howlers from memory I can recall: Leicester PL 2018 Leeds EFL 2018 (this to me was a mistake, not sure about it being a howler) QPR EFL 2019 (this to me was a mistake, not sure about it being a howler) Preston EFL 2019 Preston EFL 2019 Forest EFL 2019 (this to me was a mistake, not sure about it being a howler) Wigan EFL 2020 It's clear 2019/20 has been a nightmare for him but to suggest he has been awful for 4/5 seasons is wide of the mark Wigan EFL x2 away (so an extra one, either the drop against the bar or the first) Wigan EFL home (causing chaos then booting it into their striker and the ball trickling in) Charlton EFL away (shot from 25 yards going in when straight at him and not overly venomous) Huddersfield EFL away (woeful punch into their attacker) There’s no denying this has been his worst season. Last season wasn’t great either Leeds in the cup where he blasted the ball straight to one of their players. Goalkeepers shouldn't be making this many glaring errors in such a short space of time. He's rubbish, quite frankly, and should be nowhere bear the starting XI.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2020 9:06:26 GMT
Pickford was the #1. Another shite goalie mind. That's why he was second choice for the two warm up games games before the WC according to the manager One day you'll pull something out of the bag
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2020 9:07:41 GMT
Jack Butland needs a new start somewhere else, but he has the potential to be one of England's better goalkeepers! If you don't lose faith you will come back as one of the best, but unfortunately it won't be as a Stoke City player! Good luck Jack! A report this morning that West Ham are after him again Could just be more paper nonsense but they do nee a keeper or two
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 9, 2020 9:09:27 GMT
Pickford was the #1. Another shite goalie mind. That's why he was second choice for the two warm up games games before the WC according to the manager One day you'll pull something out of the bag He said Pickford was the first choice. The press were saying it was Pickford. It was never going to be Butland and that was obvious.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 9, 2020 9:10:05 GMT
What might Stoke or another PL/Champ team get from JB in 2020/21 Since 2014/15 in the Championship & PL 52 keepers played a decent number of games and had shotstopping seasons that were worse than the one experienced by JB in 2019/20. Just over half, 28, played either no part or saw very limited action in the subsequent season. Most of this 28 either became unused back ups at their club, played, but faced fewer than 10 shots. While 3 dropped down a division or moved to lesser European leagues. The remaining 24 each faced an average of 100 on target attempts and most remained first choice keepers. Combined, their shot stopping performances were around league average following their horror season. A few were outstanding. Smithies, Marshall, Westwood & Green. A few were almost as bad as they'd been in the prevous season. Guzan, Forster & Lee Camp....year after year. But most turned in close to par performances for their league. Best case JB scenario in 2020/21. Back up (at a PL club) or average starter in the Championship (either with Stoke or not), with a small possiblity to surprise in either a good or bad way. Can't imagine he'll start here as No.1. If he does, Davies has cause to be very aggrieved. It's suit everyone for him to move. But, as you say, huge decision for him. Presuming he's got one more year left on 20-25k here.... Does he get on the No.2 keeper carousel at a Prem club. Would have thought he's too young for that and mentally not prepared to see a drop further down the food chain to bench-sitter? Or does he accept where he now is and takes another wage cut to become the No.1 at somewhere like Birmingham or Bristol City? And what kind of fee would we ask with a year left and with the desire to shift his wages? It'd be a big blow to his ego given where he was a while ago, but may be his best bet. He'll never have to work again either way. Suppose there's always the chance he sits tight, hopes to get the nod here this season and gets a more lucrative Bosman move next summer. But that's a hell of a risk if he has a season of inactivity or more inconsistency.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 9, 2020 9:17:35 GMT
What might Stoke or another PL/Champ team get from JB in 2020/21 Since 2014/15 in the Championship & PL 52 keepers played a decent number of games and had shotstopping seasons that were worse than the one experienced by JB in 2019/20. Just over half, 28, played either no part or saw very limited action in the subsequent season. Most of this 28 either became unused back ups at their club, played, but faced fewer than 10 shots. While 3 dropped down a division or moved to lesser European leagues. The remaining 24 each faced an average of 100 on target attempts and most remained first choice keepers. Combined, their shot stopping performances were around league average following their horror season. A few were outstanding. Smithies, Marshall, Westwood & Green. A few were almost as bad as they'd been in the prevous season. Guzan, Forster & Lee Camp....year after year. But most turned in close to par performances for their league. Best case JB scenario in 2020/21. Back up (at a PL club) or average starter in the Championship (either with Stoke or not), with a small possiblity to surprise in either a good or bad way. Can't imagine he'll start here as No.1. If he does, Davies has cause to be very aggrieved. It's suit everyone for him to move. But, as you say, huge decision for him. Presuming he's got one more year left on 20-25k here.... Does he get on the No.2 keeper carousel at a Prem club. Would have thought he's too young for that and mentally not prepared to see a drop further down the food chain to bench-sitter? Or does he accept where he now is and takes another wage cut to become the No.1 at somewhere like Birmingham or Bristol City? And what kind of fee would we ask with a year left and with the desire to shift his wages? It'd be a big blow to his ego given where he was a while ago, but may be his best bet. He'll never have to work again either way. Suppose there's always the chance he sits tight, hopes to get the nod here this season and gets a more lucrative Bosman move next summer. But that's a hell of a risk if he has a season of inactivity or more inconsistency. He’d jump at the chance to go to Brum wouldn’t he? He clearly loves that club.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 9, 2020 9:19:56 GMT
Wigan EFL x2 away (so an extra one, either the drop against the bar or the first) Wigan EFL home (causing chaos then booting it into their striker and the ball trickling in) Charlton EFL away (shot from 25 yards going in when straight at him and not overly venomous) Huddersfield EFL away (woeful punch into their attacker) There’s no denying this has been his worst season. Last season wasn’t great either Leeds in the cup where he blasted the ball straight to one of their players. Goalkeepers shouldn't be making this many glaring errors in such a short space of time. He's rubbish, quite frankly, and should be nowhere bear the starting XI. Jack butland is not rubbish, at least not yet. He's badly out of form and severely lacking in confidence. A move away would be best for all concerned. If he can't recover form and confidence elsewhere then maybe you can write him off as a poor keeper who didn't fulfill his potential.
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 9, 2020 9:21:19 GMT
Jack Butland needs a new start somewhere else, but he has the potential to be one of England's better goalkeepers! If you don't lose faith you will come back as one of the best, but unfortunately it won't be as a Stoke City player! Good luck Jack! A report this morning that West Ham are after him again Could just be more paper nonsense but they do nee a keeper or two Let's hope so! We might even get £5M+ for him if a PL club come in for him!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 9, 2020 9:22:41 GMT
Leeds in the cup where he blasted the ball straight to one of their players. Goalkeepers shouldn't be making this many glaring errors in such a short space of time. He's rubbish, quite frankly, and should be nowhere bear the starting XI. Jack butland is not rubbish, at least not yet. He's badly out of form and severely lacking in confidence. A move away would be best for all concerned. If he can't recover form and confidence elsewhere then maybe you can write him off as a poor keeper who didn't fulfill his potential. He’s been out of form for 3 years 😂
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 9, 2020 9:24:55 GMT
That's why he was second choice for the two warm up games games before the WC according to the manager One day you'll pull something out of the bag He said Pickford was the first choice. The press were saying it was Pickford. It was never going to be Butland and that was obvious. Jack was no1 right up to the point that he broke his finger prior to the italy friendly in February. Pickford happened to play a good pass that led to a goal and true to form, the overreaction and clamour for him to play was ridiculous but very typically english. Up to that point, it was butlands spot to lose and he did nowt wrong other than pick up an untimely injury. He was the media face of the kit launch, was heavily involved in all media events and was seen as southgate's blue eyed boy. Trace the root cause of Jack's problems to that period of time more than his ankle injury. Mentally, I don't think he ever recovered from that blow.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 9, 2020 9:27:33 GMT
Jack butland is not rubbish, at least not yet. He's badly out of form and severely lacking in confidence. A move away would be best for all concerned. If he can't recover form and confidence elsewhere then maybe you can write him off as a poor keeper who didn't fulfill his potential. He’s been out of form for 3 years 😂 He really hasn't and he was actually very good in the championship first season after he settled down. We'd have gone down without his form and the number of clean sheets he kept for Jones. Last season was an absolute shocker. No debate or argument there.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2020 9:27:52 GMT
He said Pickford was the first choice. The press were saying it was Pickford. It was never going to be Butland and that was obvious. Jack was no1 right up to the point that he broke his finger prior to the italy friendly in February. Pickford happened to play a good pass that led to a goal and true to form, the overreaction and clamour for him to play was ridiculous but very typically english. Up to that point, it was butlands spot to lose and he did nowt wrong other than pick up an untimely injury. He was the media face of the kit launch, was heavily involved in all media events and was seen as southgate's blue eyed boy. Trace the root cause of Jack's problems to that period of time more than his ankle injury. Mentally, I don't think he ever recovered from that blow. I think you're right .As I said. Southgate said he would start the two friendly games which was as big an indication as he could that he would be his No 1 but that changed with injury.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 9, 2020 9:29:32 GMT
He said Pickford was the first choice. The press were saying it was Pickford. It was never going to be Butland and that was obvious. Jack was no1 right up to the point that he broke his finger prior to the italy friendly in February. Pickford happened to play a good pass that led to a goal and true to form, the overreaction and clamour for him to play was ridiculous but very typically english. Up to that point, it was butlands spot to lose and he did nowt wrong other than pick up an untimely injury. He was the media face of the kit launch, was heavily involved in all media events and was seen as southgate's blue eyed boy. Trace the root cause of Jack's problems to that period of time more than his ankle injury. Mentally, I don't think he ever recovered from that blow. I don’t disagree that it was ott (I dislike Pickford as a goalie way more than Jack) but he was going to get the gig at the World Cup and that was clear to see.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 9, 2020 9:31:47 GMT
He’s been out of form for 3 years 😂 He really hasn't and he was actually very good in the championship first season after he settled down. We'd have gone down without his form and the number of clean sheets he kept for Jones. Last season was an absolute shocker. No debate or argument there. The clean sheets under Jones were a boring team effort team that led to some of the most drab football in some time. A manager that shat himself and knew he’d taken on a job he couldn’t handle.
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Post by dioufsboots on Aug 9, 2020 9:42:47 GMT
Seen something about west ham intrested but was same site that linked us with jamal lewis surley worth 5 million to somebody even if it just as back up for home grown status in euro cup
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2020 9:44:58 GMT
Seen something about west ham intrested but was same site that linked us with jamal lewis surley worth 5 million to somebody even if it just as back up for home grown status in euro cup For sure Be a great move for him and us.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 9, 2020 10:16:59 GMT
He really hasn't and he was actually very good in the championship first season after he settled down. We'd have gone down without his form and the number of clean sheets he kept for Jones. Last season was an absolute shocker. No debate or argument there. The clean sheets under Jones were a boring team effort team that led to some of the most drab football in some time. A manager that shat himself and knew he’d taken on a job he couldn’t handle. Indeed and but for jack those clean sheets wouldn't have been clean sheets and we'd have been staring down the barrel. Derby away and leeds at home being 2 that immediately spring to mind.
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