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Post by iglugluk on Jul 20, 2020 10:38:31 GMT
'Ever' includes Banks and Shilton too π€ Butland was brilliant for a year or two in the Premier League. I'd say on peak form, only peak-Begovic in the modern era is better than Butland was at his best. Obviously he's not as good as Banks, which is why I said 'one of the best' not 'the best'. It's hard to remember how good he actually was now, because he's been absolutely shite for 2, maybe 3, seasons ever since returning from that injury. Agreed.. I just fancied looking back over some past glories tbh π
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Post by pyrus on Jul 25, 2020 11:13:12 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2020 11:26:07 GMT
Sadly, you can't disagree. His valuation graph on transfermarkt looks like Mount Everest.
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Post by zerps on Jul 25, 2020 11:27:46 GMT
Weβd be lucky to get 2 million for him
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 25, 2020 11:38:07 GMT
I just don't see who would take him, even if we let him go on a free.
We're clearly not going to offer him a new contract in 12 months, so why would anybody else want to take over his current contract now?
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 25, 2020 11:53:11 GMT
Better loan him out next season if we have to than have him stick around as number 2 stinking the place out. Not ideal but he's only got himself to blame with his "form" over the past couple of seasons or so.
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Post by callas12 on Jul 25, 2020 12:05:53 GMT
A move back to Blues perhaps? Work in the % we owe them for his initial transfer into some kind of fee & jobs a good'n. Lee Camps 35 now so Butland could well slide straight in to the No.1 Jersey there & give him the fresh start he clearly needs/seeks..
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jul 25, 2020 12:13:06 GMT
A move back to Blues perhaps? Work in the % we owe them for his initial transfer into some kind of fee & jobs a good'n. Lee Camps 35 now so Butland could well slide straight in to the No.1 Jersey there & give him the fresh start he clearly needs/seeks.. Jack butland will not be going to a club below us in the pecking order, at least not yet. My guess is he will move to Burnley when pope goes or he will see out the final year of his contract before moving on a free to a premier league club where he will take his chances, possibly even starting as no2.
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Post by robstokie on Jul 25, 2020 12:16:19 GMT
Think realistically loaning him out, possibly abroad, is the only way we can get him out of the building. His confidence is shot, he clearly doesn't want to be here and he's one of the big earners which we need to at least partially offset. Jack has generally been, before this season, a reliable servant for the club (though he hasn't been anywhere near pre-injury form since his year out) but it makes sense, for all parties, to get rid.
Going into next season (and I never thought I would be saying this), Davies has to be first choice, he's come in and instilled a lot of confidence in those in front of him, commands his area brilliantly and looks a far better shot stopper too. Think young Bursik and Blondy both look bloody good prospects, but think they need more experience of senior football to toughen them up and develop their command of the box as it's a lot different to academy football which seems non-physical and a bit sanitised, so would be looking to bring in someone relatively cheap (think someone like Ruddy or Jed Steer) to act as cover/competition for Davies.
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Post by lordb on Jul 25, 2020 13:33:27 GMT
A move back to Blues perhaps? Work in the % we owe them for his initial transfer into some kind of fee & jobs a good'n. Lee Camps 35 now so Butland could well slide straight in to the No.1 Jersey there & give him the fresh start he clearly needs/seeks.. The transfer fee to Blues will have been all paid up a few years now
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Post by fraybentos on Jul 25, 2020 13:51:39 GMT
Leeds bound I think
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 25, 2020 13:58:45 GMT
After Romero from the shit now aren't they? Bielsa isn't daft.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jul 25, 2020 14:13:03 GMT
If Butland ends up at Leeds Iβll eat the shit outta Bielsaβs bucket π€£
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Post by scfc75 on Jul 25, 2020 14:17:34 GMT
Heβs one of the worst keepers in the Championship, why would a premier league club be after him?
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 25, 2020 14:21:44 GMT
Heβs one of the worst keepers in the Championship, why would a premier league club be after him? Lazy scouting. Itβs our best hope.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 25, 2020 14:51:44 GMT
Loan to a foreign club?
Year too late.
Scholes and Butlands agent have to work their arses trying to convince a PL club that heβs worth 2m as a back up.
We canβt keep loaning players out.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2020 16:13:07 GMT
What "they" say is "class is permanent, form is temporary". While not disregarding that temporary has lasted two years and a bit longer (I think the Leicester game in the spring of 2018 was where it started going wrong), I'm not convinced that our current manager sees Butland as a spent force. He was "restdropped" for sure in the team's best interests, yes, but he'll be looking at the 8 months he's worked with the keeper, not at the length of time that's gone before. And he will be thinking it's good to have two good keepers (and two good kids).
So when the pre season training starts, Davies and Butland will be training on equal terms and the goalie that does best in matches played will be the one who's in goal when the new season starts.
O'Neill will also be aware that Jack's contract is running out and that buyers were hard to find. If Jack's the one that impresses the most - and he will start with a clean slate with O'Neill, even if not with the above posters - who's to say that Jack won't be offered a new deal, by O'Neill?
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Post by Jack Jarvis Esquire on Jul 25, 2020 16:35:15 GMT
Butland is never getting a prem move in a million years. I envisage that heβll be here next year and leave on a free transfer.
Itβs staggering his decline! The fact that he was constantly being picked and playing appallingly makes me think itβs a mental match day thing. He must be training to a high level, he just goes to pieces in a game.
After the season Lee Grant had he should never have come back in as number 1. Heβs got a really overrated opinion of himself has Jack. Letβs be honest heβs been on slide for 3-4 years. You could see in the games after lockdown the defence had completely lost confidence in him.
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Post by ohbottom on Jul 25, 2020 16:43:28 GMT
When Jack got into the England squad it was absolutely on merit. Not so long ago most Stoke fans would've been gutted to see him leave at all, but would've expected a significant fee if he did. That goalkeeper is still in there, somewhere. Whatever has gone wrong with his head, there's still top-class ability there. It may need a complete change of surroundings for him to help bring it back, or just maybe if MoN can foster a confident and winning dressing-room, that might bring his confidence back.
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Post by callas12 on Jul 25, 2020 16:44:08 GMT
A move back to Blues perhaps? Work in the % we owe them for his initial transfer into some kind of fee & jobs a good'n. Lee Camps 35 now so Butland could well slide straight in to the No.1 Jersey there & give him the fresh start he clearly needs/seeks.. The transfer fee to Blues will have been all paid up a few years now Sorry was referring to his sell on clause fee to Blues
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Post by thisisouryear on Jul 25, 2020 16:45:59 GMT
He should be closer to a move to Macclesfield than a move to the prem given his form of late. He needs to wake up because his career is plummeting to a point where he will be retiring in a couple of years.
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Post by AlliG on Jul 25, 2020 16:48:40 GMT
The transfer fee to Blues will have been all paid up a few years now Sorry was referring to his sell on clause fee to Blues We "owe" Birmingham something like 20% of any amount we receive above the original Β£3.5m transfer fee, so I think you are probably being rather optimistic about the fee we might get for Jack.
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Jul 25, 2020 16:49:23 GMT
Here is where Jack's agent now has to earn his crust with a move to revitalise his career
That Guardian verdict is sad but so true
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2020 17:01:17 GMT
I think West Ham and Sheff Utd might be willing to pay Β£8-Β£10 million for him.
They've got an absolute bargain if he rediscovers his England no 1 form
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 25, 2020 17:12:21 GMT
I think West Ham and Sheff Utd might be willing to pay Β£8-Β£10 million for him. They've got an absolute bargain if he rediscovers his England no 1 form Better bait needed!
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Post by thisisouryear on Jul 25, 2020 17:19:52 GMT
I think West Ham and Sheff Utd might be willing to pay Β£8-Β£10 million for him. They've got an absolute bargain if he rediscovers his England no 1 form We need a goalkeeper who saves penalties now and again, Butland is no better than a cone. His inability to be able to read players should worry anyone willing to pay that sort of money. He's been in decline for a few years it will be a long road to recovery for him I think. We should take whatever we can and clear the negative energy he carries out of the club.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2020 17:21:05 GMT
I think West Ham and Sheff Utd might be willing to pay Β£8-Β£10 million for him. They've got an absolute bargain if he rediscovers his England no 1 form We need a goalkeeper who saves penalties now and again, Butland is no better than a cone. His inability to be able to read players should worry anyone willing to pay that sort of money. He's been in decline for a few years it will be a long road to recovery for him I think. We should take whatever we can and clear the negative energy he carries out of the club. πππ Best not sign De Gea then.
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Post by thisisouryear on Jul 25, 2020 17:45:04 GMT
We need a goalkeeper who saves penalties now and again, Butland is no better than a cone. His inability to be able to read players should worry anyone willing to pay that sort of money. He's been in decline for a few years it will be a long road to recovery for him I think. We should take whatever we can and clear the negative energy he carries out of the club. πππ Best not sign De Gea then. De Gea is going backwards too, he's probably a bit more intelligent and wiser than Butland so will be closer to signing for a team bottom end of the prem now to see out his career. They both have played like players who need an eye test at times the last couple of seasons.
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Post by silsdenstokie on Jul 25, 2020 17:47:49 GMT
Class is permanent, form is temporary
Needs to move on for both his and our sakes, but when/if he moves on, he will go with my best wishes. Wouldn't surprise me at all if he gets back to the form we know he is capable of at his new club.
Not sure where all the bad attitude stuff comes from as from what I've heard and seen he seems a decent bloke
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Post by wagsastokie on Jul 25, 2020 17:58:57 GMT
Class is permanent, form is temporary Needs to move on for both his and our sakes, but when/if he moves on, he will go with my best wishes. Wouldn't surprise me at all if he gets back to the form we know he is capable of at his new club. Not sure where all the bad attitude stuff comes from as from what I've heard and seen he seems a decent bloke He was never that good in the first place
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