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Post by conzdad on Jul 19, 2020 9:39:28 GMT
I work with a few Leeds fans and they tell me that they have heard rumours that Jack is going there. True or not I dont know,but he needs a new challenge. So good luck Jack wherever you end up.
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Jul 19, 2020 10:08:30 GMT
Hopefully Jack's stock in the game is still quite high. We could get some money with lots of add ons etc Whatever he needs a move I think for the money we'd get now it'd be a relatively risk free signing for a Premier League club. A good number 2 option with the potential to be a good number 1 should he rediscover his old form. Our play is certainly in the add-ons we can get into the contract. Not sure Leeds would fancy him though? Speaking to my Leeds supporting 'acquaintance' the other day and he informed me of Jack's record at Elland Road (including his loan spell). Played 10 games, conceded 28 goals. Granted he played behind a shit Leeds defence and they an even shitter Stoke Defence but it's not a good record is it!
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Post by OldStokie on Jul 19, 2020 10:35:34 GMT
There are three things Jack needs if he is to become as good a player as he was... he needs to lose some weight; a brilliant sports psychologist, and a new club. I wish him well and hope those three things happen.
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Jul 19, 2020 10:47:40 GMT
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Post by Fred Merger on Jul 19, 2020 10:47:40 GMT
A fresh start is best all round and everybody will be the better for it.
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Post by iglugluk on Jul 19, 2020 10:50:59 GMT
If anyone will take over his contract I'd give him away. Going from one of the best keepers we've ever had to now be one of the worst is quite a spectacular decline. I don’t think he ever looked better than Bego or Sorro. Or would you argue that puts him in that bracket? 'Ever' includes Banks and Shilton too 🤔
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Jul 19, 2020 11:37:23 GMT
The neck injury was surely a lie and confirms what was long suggested that Butland has a must play if fit clause in his contract as does Joe Allen.
I suspect MON agreed this with Butland because he wanted to check Davies out.
Davies looks good, but now the next challenge is to offload Butland to someone. Otherwise he will be back between the sticks next season and Davies sidelined.
Lets hope someone stumps up 3M to take him off our hands.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2020 11:38:28 GMT
The neck injury was surely a lie and confirms what was long suggested that Butland has a must play if fit clause in his contract as does Joe Allen. I suspect MON agreed this with Butland because he wanted to check Davies out. Davies looks good, but now the next challenge is to offload Butland to someone. Otherwise he will be back between the sticks next season and Davies sidelined. Lets hope someone stumps up 3M to take him off our hands. So why was he on the bench yesterday then, breaking his clause?
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Jul 19, 2020 15:42:55 GMT
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Post by boweryboy on Jul 19, 2020 15:42:55 GMT
Why on earth did it take till now,for O'Neill to realize that Butland has been costing us goals and points all this time,and even the defence looks to have a renewed confidence with Davies behind them !!
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Butland
Jul 19, 2020 15:46:05 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 19, 2020 15:46:05 GMT
Why on earth did it take till now,for O'Neill to realize that Butland has been costing us goals and points all this time,and even the defence looks to have a renewed confidence with Davies behind them !! It is odd. But then until about a month ago most fans were the same. What’s their excuse? They don’t have to speak to the bloke. Indeed most people wanted him back in the side after the league cup game where he was the reason it went to penalties but he scored one. I don’t get football fans at all.
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Post by xchpotter on Jul 19, 2020 15:47:05 GMT
Why on earth did it take till now,for O'Neill to realize that Butland has been costing us goals and points all this time,and even the defence looks to have a renewed confidence with Davies behind them !! I think MON is a very loyal manager to the point of fuzzy eye sight in some cases. Look at the Ince situation as well. I’m hoping the exclusion of Butland (I don’t buy the injury story) and Ince gives him confidence to go with players on form and not the name going forward.
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Jul 19, 2020 18:52:27 GMT
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Post by swampmongrel on Jul 19, 2020 18:52:27 GMT
I don’t think he ever looked better than Bego or Sorro. Or would you argue that puts him in that bracket? 'Ever' includes Banks and Shilton too 🤔 And Marshall.
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Post by tachyon on Jul 20, 2020 8:31:40 GMT
Here's how JB's dealt with each of the 128 shots on target he's faced in the league. The model characterises each shot. Where it's taken from, shot or header, open play, set piece, powerfully struck, deflected, swerving, x, y co-ordinates of where on target it is aimed and compares it to how these attempts are typically dealt with by a Championship keeper. Bottom line, Jack's allowed six more goals than a typical average keeper would have done. Here's the rolling 10 shot average. Below the line and he's under performing above the line and his shot stopping is superior to an average keeper. MON took charge after JB had faced 28 attempts on target. Fair to say NJ got the rough end of Butland's variance. MON was more up and down.
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Post by raythesailor on Jul 20, 2020 8:38:54 GMT
If he is allegedly going to Leeds let’s hope they do t read the Oatcake.
The comments on here have knocked a few million pounds of the fee. 🤔
A move is what he needs to resurrect his career.⚓️
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Post by Trouserdog on Jul 20, 2020 8:44:06 GMT
I don’t think he ever looked better than Bego or Sorro. Or would you argue that puts him in that bracket? 'Ever' includes Banks and Shilton too 🤔 Butland was brilliant for a year or two in the Premier League. I'd say on peak form, only peak-Begovic in the modern era is better than Butland was at his best. Obviously he's not as good as Banks, which is why I said 'one of the best' not 'the best'. It's hard to remember how good he actually was now, because he's been absolutely shite for 2, maybe 3, seasons ever since returning from that injury.
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Post by scfc75 on Jul 20, 2020 8:48:00 GMT
If he is allegedly going to Leeds let’s hope they do t read the Oatcake. The comments on here have knocked a few million pounds of the fee. 🤔 A move is what he needs to resurrect his career.⚓️ I’d be amazed if he went to a top flight club, even a newly promoted one. If you sort the gk stats on this site by save%, look who comes out bottom of all 23 listed... fbref.com/en/comps/10/keepers/Championship-StatsWe’ll be lucky to get £3m for him.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 20, 2020 8:51:40 GMT
I can't see who'd take him.
It didn't help when we were asking crazy figures for him. We should have taken £6-7m for him last summer - and that isn't hindsight as lots were saying it at the time.
I can't see what's in it for any buyer now. He's got a year left on 25-30k (didn't he have a 40/50% cut when we went down?) and has been poor for a number of years.
I think you can probably exclude any Prem interest - even the likes of Leeds and Brentford who'll be looking for keepers who are very good with their feet.
Is there anyone who'd take him in the Championship?
And for what kind of fee? And wed obviously have to pay a chunk of wages for the next year too.
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Butland
Jul 20, 2020 8:54:28 GMT
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Post by neddy on Jul 20, 2020 8:54:28 GMT
I agree I think we are stuck with him......he will run his contract down as with no fee at the end he would probably be able to negotiate better wages?
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Post by Trouserdog on Jul 20, 2020 8:55:24 GMT
I can't see who'd take him. It didn't help when we were asking crazy figures for him. We should have taken £6-7m for him last summer - and that isn't hindsight as lots were saying it at the time. I can't see what's in it for any buyer now. He's got a year left on 25-30k (didn't he have a 40/50% cut when we went down?) and has been poor for a number of years. I think you can probably exclude any Prem interest - even the likes of Leeds and Brentford who'll be looking for keepers who are very good with their feet. Is there anyone who'd take him in the Championship? And for what kind of fee? And wed obviously have to pay a chunk of wages for the next year too. Maybe third choice somewhere really big might be possible. Chelsea have only got that clown Caballero as back up haven't they? Whoever buys him it'll have to be someone who's not watched him for 2 years.
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Post by samuel32 on Jul 20, 2020 9:01:48 GMT
Here's how JB's dealt with each of the 128 shots on target he's faced in the league. The model characterises each shot. Where it's taken from, shot or header, open play, set piece, powerfully struck, deflected, swerving, x, y co-ordinates of where on target it is aimed and compares it to how these attempts are typically dealt with by a Championship keeper. Bottom line, Jack's allowed six more goals than a typical average keeper would have done. Here's the rolling 10 shot average. Below the line and he's under performing above the line and his shot stopping is superior to an average keeper. MON took charge after JB had faced 28 attempts on target. Fair to say NJ got the rough end of Butland's variance. MON was more up and down. View AttachmentButland really didn't help Jones out. Every few games he seemed to make a mistake, starting with QPR first game of the season. No idea why Jones didn't drop him earlier, especially as HIS OWN signing, Davies was sat on the bench
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Post by raythesailor on Jul 20, 2020 9:06:11 GMT
I wonder if he is “One of The Problems” in the dressing room that MON refers to?
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 20, 2020 9:09:57 GMT
I can't see who'd take him. It didn't help when we were asking crazy figures for him. We should have taken £6-7m for him last summer - and that isn't hindsight as lots were saying it at the time. I can't see what's in it for any buyer now. He's got a year left on 25-30k (didn't he have a 40/50% cut when we went down?) and has been poor for a number of years. I think you can probably exclude any Prem interest - even the likes of Leeds and Brentford who'll be looking for keepers who are very good with their feet. Is there anyone who'd take him in the Championship? And for what kind of fee? And wed obviously have to pay a chunk of wages for the next year too. Maybe third choice somewhere really big might be possible. Chelsea have only got that clown Caballero as back up haven't they? Whoever buys him it'll have to be someone who's not watched him for 2 years. Maybe - but he's a bit young to board that back-up keeper gravy train, isn't he? But is he prepared to just become a Championship keeper on average Championship money - because as it stands that's what he is on a good day Dunno if he's be prepared to try something abroad if his name could get him a chance there. Maybe MLS or something? But it'd be an acceptance his elite days are over - but that's unfortunately pretty obvious anyway.
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Butland
Jul 20, 2020 9:10:41 GMT
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Post by chiswickpotter on Jul 20, 2020 9:10:41 GMT
Here's how JB's dealt with each of the 128 shots on target he's faced in the league. The model characterises each shot. Where it's taken from, shot or header, open play, set piece, powerfully struck, deflected, swerving, x, y co-ordinates of where on target it is aimed and compares it to how these attempts are typically dealt with by a Championship keeper. Bottom line, Jack's allowed six more goals than a typical average keeper would have done. Here's the rolling 10 shot average. Below the line and he's under performing above the line and his shot stopping is superior to an average keeper. MON took charge after JB had faced 28 attempts on target. Fair to say NJ got the rough end of Butland's variance. MON was more up and down. View AttachmentInteresting thanks. Looking at the chart, he has largely been in credit with MON is above average which for an average team makes him one of the better performers.
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Post by tachyon on Jul 20, 2020 9:32:21 GMT
Here's how JB's dealt with each of the 128 shots on target he's faced in the league. The model characterises each shot. Where it's taken from, shot or header, open play, set piece, powerfully struck, deflected, swerving, x, y co-ordinates of where on target it is aimed and compares it to how these attempts are typically dealt with by a Championship keeper. Bottom line, Jack's allowed six more goals than a typical average keeper would have done. Here's the rolling 10 shot average. Below the line and he's under performing above the line and his shot stopping is superior to an average keeper. MON took charge after JB had faced 28 attempts on target. Fair to say NJ got the rough end of Butland's variance. MON was more up and down. View AttachmentInteresting thanks. Looking at the chart, he has largely been in credit with MON is above average which for an average team makes him one of the better performers. Yes, it took him another 20 or so shots to start to creep into profit under MON & had two pretty decent spells, separated by dips. Save percentage, even adjusted for shot difficulty is fairly streaky. It's more an illustration of how a keeper has performed than how he is going to continue to perform. But overall NJ took the full force of JB's slump and MON got himself a broadly average, if inconsistent, Championship shot stopper.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 20, 2020 9:36:19 GMT
He needs to leave for his own good not just for ours. Like I mentioned with De Gea, you can't live off past form and performances indefinitely.
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Jul 20, 2020 9:37:55 GMT
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Post by neddy on Jul 20, 2020 9:37:55 GMT
If I read MON correctly I think Davies may keep the shirt until he messes up? Butland may have to be second choice unless he can get a move?
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Post by kidcrewbob on Jul 20, 2020 9:41:54 GMT
Career ruined by that England injury - will be sad to see him go but barring a significant psychological turnaround another club is what he needs - and I am certain he will do well. Too much baggage & trauma here unfortunately. Leeds would be a good fit
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Jul 20, 2020 10:30:31 GMT
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Post by theoptimist on Jul 20, 2020 10:30:31 GMT
Not easy to move players on in current climate. He would find it difficult to get same personal terms. Could well be the next Wimmer 😱
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Jul 20, 2020 10:31:43 GMT
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Post by scfc75 on Jul 20, 2020 10:31:43 GMT
Not easy to move players on in current climate. He would find it difficult to get same personal terms. Could well be the next Wimmer 😱 Comparing him to fat Kev is a bit extreme... overall we’ve had great value out of Jack over the years.
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Jul 20, 2020 10:33:54 GMT
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Post by theoptimist on Jul 20, 2020 10:33:54 GMT
Not easy to move players on in current climate. He would find it difficult to get same personal terms. Could well be the next Wimmer 😱 Comparing him to fat Kev is a bit extreme... overall we’ve had great value out of Jack over the years. No doubt. However it's about what happens next.
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Post by wagsastokie on Jul 20, 2020 10:36:53 GMT
Not easy to move players on in current climate. He would find it difficult to get same personal terms. Could well be the next Wimmer 😱 Comparing him to fat Kev is a bit extreme... overall we’ve had great value out of Jack over the years. Trouble is he's been keeping like fat nev of late
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