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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 9, 2020 21:47:01 GMT
So yesterday I was talking to a guy in work, who is due to be god parent to Angus Gunn's child. Now he says that Angus is confident that a move to Stoke is due to be completed this window, with Butland going the other way. Apparently they both have the same agents, so he can't see any issues with the deal being completed. His wife/partner is wanting to move back to Alderley Edge where her family is (apparently she is from there), to be close to her family with their child. Now this is the bit I struggle with, Butland is happy to be 2nd choice apparently, but Angus only see's himself as 1st choice if dropping down a league. Would we drop Davis back down to 2nd choice, for the chance to move Jack on and bring Angus in? Watch this space is how the conversation ended.. I bet you've had that from someone else and embellished it a bit or the person that told you has done so Jack isn't keen on a move to Southampton. It's that simple. What the fuck is he hoping for?
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Post by lordb on Sept 9, 2020 21:48:44 GMT
I bet you've had that from someone else and embellished it a bit or the person that told you has done so Jack isn't keen on a move to Southampton. It's that simple. What the fuck is he hoping for? Burnley?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 9, 2020 21:49:39 GMT
What the fuck is he hoping for? Burnley? You prove my point!
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Sept 9, 2020 21:51:22 GMT
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Post by lordb on Sept 9, 2020 21:51:22 GMT
You prove my point! If it's second choice keeper role then guess it's the off field stuff that becomes more important. In which case dunno. He might just get to be first choice at Burnley though.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 9, 2020 21:52:39 GMT
I bet you've had that from someone else and embellished it a bit or the person that told you has done so Jack isn't keen on a move to Southampton. It's that simple. What the fuck is he hoping for? No different from what he's ever wanted I expect. He won't just leave for sake of leaving but will go for what he perceives to be the right opportunity.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 9, 2020 21:54:38 GMT
What the fuck is he hoping for? No different from what he's ever wanted I expect. He won't just leave for sake of leaving but will go for what he perceives to be the right opportunity. He's lucky to get any opportunity at that level. What a twat.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 9, 2020 21:57:03 GMT
No different from what he's ever wanted I expect. He won't just leave for sake of leaving but will go for what he perceives to be the right opportunity. He's lucky to get any opportunity at that level. What a twat. Hardly a twat is he for wanting to make a move that suits himself and his young family. He's happy at stoke and has always said that were he to leave, it would be a real wrench to do so.
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Post by maninasuitcase on Sept 9, 2020 22:01:14 GMT
Quick Google search shows both managed by Triple S Management.. Triple S? Sigue sigue sputnik?
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Sept 9, 2020 22:01:32 GMT
He's lucky to get any opportunity at that level. What a twat. Hardly a twat is he for wanting to make a move that suits himself and his young family. He's happy at stoke and has always said that were he to leave, it would be a real wrench to do so. I'm sure then that if this season marks a turnaround for him, as I suspect it will, he'll be happy enough to sign a new contract rather than leave on a free?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 9, 2020 22:03:28 GMT
Hardly a twat is he for wanting to make a move that suits himself and his young family. He's happy at stoke and has always said that were he to leave, it would be a real wrench to do so. I'm sure then that if this season marks a turnaround for him, as I suspect it will, he'll be happy enough to sign a new contract rather than leave on a free? Were that to happen and were we to be promoted, I'd be very confident that he'd sign a new contract. I expect he'll be gone by end of window though.
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Post by somersetstokie on Sept 9, 2020 23:17:24 GMT
So yesterday I was talking to a guy in work, who is due to be god parent to Angus Gunn's child. Now he says that Angus is confident that a move to Stoke is due to be completed this window, with Butland going the other way. Apparently they both have the same agents, so he can't see any issues with the deal being completed. His wife/partner is wanting to move back to Alderley Edge where her family is (apparently she is from there), to be close to her family with their child. Now this is the bit I struggle with, Butland is happy to be 2nd choice apparently, but Angus only see's himself as 1st choice if dropping down a league.Would we drop Davis back down to 2nd choice, for the chance to move Jack on and bring Angus in? Watch this space is how the conversation ended.. I bet you've had that from someone else and embellished it a bit or the person that told you has done so Jack isn't keen on a move to Southampton. It's that simple. Whichever club a goalkeeper is at, competition comes with the territory. A club will always have a mini squad of probably 3 or 4 available keepers on the books. Also each time a goalkeeper takes to the field, he knows that on the bench is another specialist in his position who is just waiting for a reason to take his place. So if Angus were to swap clubs with Jack, both would have to regard the move as a challenge and a new situation in which they would have to prove themselves.
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Post by jezzascfc on Sept 9, 2020 23:39:33 GMT
I live in Southampton................... Southampton, Bermuda that is! You live in Bermuda? You never mention it. I know, I should give a weekly update on life on "de rock" - I tell you what, seeing as you are so keen, I will send it just to you personally every Monday morning. Then you can send me, by reply, "One hundred reasons why McClean and Allen should never play for Stoke again", surely your magnum opus waiting to be written!
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Post by alanhudson1972 on Sept 10, 2020 9:12:29 GMT
What the fuck is he hoping for? Burnley? [br The Vile ?
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Post by alanhudson1972 on Sept 10, 2020 9:13:36 GMT
I bet you've had that from someone else and embellished it a bit or the person that told you has done so Jack isn't keen on a move to Southampton. It's that simple. What the fuck is he hoping for? The Vale ?.
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Post by pez75 on Sept 10, 2020 9:31:28 GMT
A lot of people throwing hate at one of our long-serving players based on rumour and conjecture - Stoke 'fans' eh?
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Sept 10, 2020 9:39:13 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2020 9:39:13 GMT
He's lucky to get any opportunity at that level. What a twat. Hardly a twat is he for wanting to make a move that suits himself and his young family. He's happy at stoke and has always said that were he to leave, it would be a real wrench to do so. If that's really true Dave, then why did he move agents from Beswicks? I would imagine that they would only be too happy for him to remain at Stoke and remove that wrench for him. Instead he changed to a high profile agent that would only increase the chances of him moving and increase the chances of him having to face up to that wrench of leaving. My own gut feeling on this is that he is and has been desperate to leave since relegation, and has paid nothing but lip service to staying in the local press.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 10, 2020 12:57:24 GMT
Hardly a twat is he for wanting to make a move that suits himself and his young family. He's happy at stoke and has always said that were he to leave, it would be a real wrench to do so. If that's really true Dave, then why did he move agents from Beswicks? I would imagine that they would only be too happy for him to remain at Stoke and remove that wrench for him. Instead he changed to a high profile agent that would only increase the chances of him moving and increase the chances of him having to face up to that wrench of leaving. My own gut feeling on this is that he is and has been desperate to leave since relegation, and has paid nothing but lip service to staying in the local press. Jack himself said he wouldn't leave for sake of it yet made it clear that his england place was his ultimate focus hence he would leave if the right offer came in. He also didn't force the clubs hand, as he could have done, when we were turning down bids of 18m and 20m for him. A change of agent changes nothing. We all know he would have left, beswicks or other agents, had the right bid and right club come in for him. Those 2 things haven't come together hence he's still here. I'm almost certain he will go and I'm almost certain I know where he will end up. He will go but he will leave with a heavy heart I'm sure. He's in bad form. He's not a bad bloke or a mercenary.
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Post by s8to on Sept 10, 2020 13:27:50 GMT
If that's really true Dave, then why did he move agents from Beswicks? I would imagine that they would only be too happy for him to remain at Stoke and remove that wrench for him. Instead he changed to a high profile agent that would only increase the chances of him moving and increase the chances of him having to face up to that wrench of leaving. My own gut feeling on this is that he is and has been desperate to leave since relegation, and has paid nothing but lip service to staying in the local press. Jack himself said he wouldn't leave for sake of it yet made it clear that his england place was his ultimate focus hence he would leave if the right offer came in. He also didn't force the clubs hand, as he could have done, when we were turning down bids of 18m and 20m for him. A change of agent changes nothing. We all know he would have left, beswicks or other agents, had the right bid and right club come in for him. Those 2 things haven't come together hence he's still here. I'm almost certain he will go and I'm almost certain I know where he will end up. He will go but he will leave with a heavy heart I'm sure. He's in bad form. He's not a bad bloke or a mercenary. I totally agree, seems a very decent bloke at the end of the day!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2020 13:38:03 GMT
If that's really true Dave, then why did he move agents from Beswicks? I would imagine that they would only be too happy for him to remain at Stoke and remove that wrench for him. Instead he changed to a high profile agent that would only increase the chances of him moving and increase the chances of him having to face up to that wrench of leaving. My own gut feeling on this is that he is and has been desperate to leave since relegation, and has paid nothing but lip service to staying in the local press. Jack himself said he wouldn't leave for sake of it yet made it clear that his england place was his ultimate focus hence he would leave if the right offer came in. He also didn't force the clubs hand, as he could have done, when we were turning down bids of 18m and 20m for him. A change of agent changes nothing. We all know he would have left, beswicks or other agents, had the right bid and right club come in for him. Those 2 things haven't come together hence he's still here. I'm almost certain he will go and I'm almost certain I know where he will end up. He will go but he will leave with a heavy heart I'm sure. He's in bad form. He's not a bad bloke or a mercenary. I've never said he is a bad bloke or a mercenary. We've seen plenty of them over the last few years to know Jack isn't one of them. I'm just not buying this 'heavy heart' and a 'wrench to leave' story. He's a footballer at the end of the day and if a move is in the offing he will be off like a flash like any other player would. That's the business they're in. Anyone with a streetwise brain knows exactly why Jack changed his agency, and you can bet your bottom dollar the club knew exactly what fight he was coming for when he swapped from the local agency to a well known and renowned agent that has dealt with one of the biggest footballers in the world. I think his poor form is down to the fact he's stuck in the Championship, wants out, hasn't been able to get out and everything has continued to spiral.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 10, 2020 14:01:04 GMT
Jack himself said he wouldn't leave for sake of it yet made it clear that his england place was his ultimate focus hence he would leave if the right offer came in. He also didn't force the clubs hand, as he could have done, when we were turning down bids of 18m and 20m for him. A change of agent changes nothing. We all know he would have left, beswicks or other agents, had the right bid and right club come in for him. Those 2 things haven't come together hence he's still here. I'm almost certain he will go and I'm almost certain I know where he will end up. He will go but he will leave with a heavy heart I'm sure. He's in bad form. He's not a bad bloke or a mercenary. I've never said he is a bad bloke or a mercenary. We've seen plenty of them over the last few years to know Jack isn't one of them. I'm just not buying this 'heavy heart' and a 'wrench to leave' story. He's a footballer at the end of the day and if a move is in the offing he will be off like a flash like any other player would. That's the business they're in. Anyone with a streetwise brain knows exactly why Jack changed his agency, and you can bet your bottom dollar the club knew exactly what fight he was coming for when he swapped from the local agency to a well known and renowned agent that has dealt with one of the biggest footballers in the world. I think his poor form is down to the fact he's stuck in the Championship, wants out, hasn't been able to get out and everything has continued to spiral. Yet he's turned down 3 moves himself and the club turned down at least 2 offers for him on relegation. You don't think he'd have kicked up a stink had he wanted out at all costs?
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Post by chiswickpotter on Sept 10, 2020 14:30:12 GMT
No different from what he's ever wanted I expect. He won't just leave for sake of leaving but will go for what he perceives to be the right opportunity. He's lucky to get any opportunity at that level. What a twat. That is the worst comment you have ever made and there is a lot to choose from. On what basis can you possibly describe Butland in that way? He may have underperformed but not deliberately. There is no hint he has ever given anything less than 100% or shirked training. Off the pitch, he supports the club in the community and has been incredibly polite and personable when I have seen him with supporters. If he prefers Stoke to Southampton that’s his choice, one we all have about where we work. Personal abuse like that is totally wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2020 15:01:13 GMT
I've never said he is a bad bloke or a mercenary. We've seen plenty of them over the last few years to know Jack isn't one of them. I'm just not buying this 'heavy heart' and a 'wrench to leave' story. He's a footballer at the end of the day and if a move is in the offing he will be off like a flash like any other player would. That's the business they're in. Anyone with a streetwise brain knows exactly why Jack changed his agency, and you can bet your bottom dollar the club knew exactly what fight he was coming for when he swapped from the local agency to a well known and renowned agent that has dealt with one of the biggest footballers in the world. I think his poor form is down to the fact he's stuck in the Championship, wants out, hasn't been able to get out and everything has continued to spiral. Yet he's turned down 3 moves himself and the club turned down at least 2 offers for him on relegation. You don't think he'd have kicked up a stink had he wanted out at all costs? Who were the 3 he turned down?
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Sept 10, 2020 19:08:56 GMT
Teams in fantasy football
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 10, 2020 19:55:53 GMT
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Post by foxysgloves on Sept 10, 2020 20:04:02 GMT
No different from what he's ever wanted I expect. He won't just leave for sake of leaving but will go for what he perceives to be the right opportunity. He's lucky to get any opportunity at that level. What a twat. That’s fuckwittery of the highest order. Butland has done his level best in every game he’s played for Stoke. He’s had an inconsistent few years and he’s definitely not developed into the keeper he promised to become. Yet. But he’s definitely not deserving of shit talk like that.
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Post by stokeykez on Sept 10, 2020 20:32:53 GMT
Doors really do seem to be closing on him getting a move, can see him going abroad at this rate
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Post by onefatcopper on Sept 10, 2020 20:57:34 GMT
No different from what he's ever wanted I expect. He won't just leave for sake of leaving but will go for what he perceives to be the right opportunity. He's lucky to get any opportunity at that level. What a twat. Jack has lost his form,confidence and his mistakes have cost the team valuable points, but to call him a twat makes you look the gormless prick that we have come to expect. He has been a proud ambassador for the club, and for a footballer he can actually string more than two words together and create a sentence. My lasting impression of Jack will not be as a footballer but as a MAN who spoke from the heart and I think spoke for all the fans when we lost Sir Gordon Banks, he was a credit to himself and he actually made me feel proud to be a Stoke fan
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Post by houstonsteve on Sept 10, 2020 21:01:27 GMT
Jack needs a change of scenery. I am sure its scary for him but it will do him the world of good. He has had some bad games (and yes I have criticized him in games) but he doesn't deserve the vitriol. Hopefully gets a move to challenge for a 1st team spot and maybe become the keeper he could have been.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 10, 2020 21:09:29 GMT
Looks like Angus Gunn could be off.
Wonder if that link had anything to it and whether it'd be revisited if Butland went.
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Post by pushon on Sept 10, 2020 21:14:28 GMT
Jack needs a change of scenery. I am sure its scary for him but it will do him the world of good. He has had some bad games (and yes I have criticized him in games) but he doesn't deserve the vitriol. Hopefully gets a move to challenge for a 1st team spot and maybe become the keeper he could have been. He has been a liability for too long now and the sooner he leaves the better. The club owe him nothing and his quite abysmal form has been tolerated for too long.
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