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Butland
Aug 9, 2020 10:20:29 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 9, 2020 10:20:29 GMT
The clean sheets under Jones were a boring team effort team that led to some of the most drab football in some time. A manager that shat himself and knew he’d taken on a job he couldn’t handle. Indeed and but for jack those clean sheets wouldn't have been clean sheets and we'd have been staring down the barrel. Derby away and leeds at home being 2 that immediately spring to mind. People have said the same re Batth at this time too and he too didn’t impress at this time.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 9, 2020 10:33:59 GMT
Indeed and but for jack those clean sheets wouldn't have been clean sheets and we'd have been staring down the barrel. Derby away and leeds at home being 2 that immediately spring to mind. People have said the same re Batth at this time too and he too didn’t impress at this time. I don't like batth either but you have to give credit where it is due. He finished the season playing as well as he ever has for us.
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Butland
Aug 9, 2020 10:35:35 GMT
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Post by sheds1862 on Aug 9, 2020 10:35:35 GMT
Don't suppose Sheff U would be interested? You'd think they could get him for an absolute fraction of what'd take to get Ramsdale. I'll go on record now and say Ramsdale is crap and a massive part of why Bournemouth have been relegated. He has zero presence and is very much another Jordan pickford...who at long last has seemingly been spotted as the absolute chance he is. I think that's a bit harsh. He's just had two years at Chesterfield and Wimbledon and suddenly gone from 4th choice to number one because Howe lost the plot over his goalkeepers. Bournemouth even when midtable have had an awful defensive record for a while now. Transfer fees are bonkers , they are arguably looking at 55 million for Ake and Ramsdale yet got relegated. Ramsdale is nowhere near a Premier League keeper yet and was thrown in by a desperate Howe . He is not crap though .
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Butland
Aug 9, 2020 10:36:28 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 9, 2020 10:36:28 GMT
People have said the same re Batth at this time too and he too didn’t impress at this time. I don't like batth either but you have to give credit where it is due. He finished the season playing as well as he ever has for us. I really don’t think he did. Against Brizzle we were all over the shop and we should have been two down against Forest. He was Cort like. That’s as big an insult as I can hand out defensively.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 9, 2020 10:40:15 GMT
I'll go on record now and say Ramsdale is crap and a massive part of why Bournemouth have been relegated. He has zero presence and is very much another Jordan pickford...who at long last has seemingly been spotted as the absolute chance he is. I think that's a bit harsh. He's just had two years at Chesterfield and Wimbledon and suddenly gone from 4th choice to number one because Howe lost the plot over his goalkeepers. Bournemouth even when midtable have had an awful defensive record for a while now. Transfer fees are bonkers , they are arguably looking at 55 million for Ake and Ramsdale yet got relegated. Ramsdale is nowhere near a Premier League keeper yet and was thrown in by a desperate Howe . He is not crap though . No professional footballer is crap in truth. He's crap relative to the level he's playing at and the fee he seems likely to command.
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Butland
Aug 9, 2020 10:42:17 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 9, 2020 10:42:17 GMT
I don't like batth either but you have to give credit where it is due. He finished the season playing as well as he ever has for us. I really don’t think he did. Against Brizzle we were all over the shop and we should have been two down against Forest. He was Cort like. That’s as big an insult as I can hand out defensively. We were 1st half. I thought he was the best of the 3 though and not nearly as all over the place as his mates. He's not good enough to do his own job and that of others for sure but he finished the season as well as we could possibly hope.
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Butland
Aug 9, 2020 10:42:35 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 9, 2020 10:42:35 GMT
I think that's a bit harsh. He's just had two years at Chesterfield and Wimbledon and suddenly gone from 4th choice to number one because Howe lost the plot over his goalkeepers. Bournemouth even when midtable have had an awful defensive record for a while now. Transfer fees are bonkers , they are arguably looking at 55 million for Ake and Ramsdale yet got relegated. Ramsdale is nowhere near a Premier League keeper yet and was thrown in by a desperate Howe . He is not crap though . No professional footballer is crap in truth. He's crap relative to the level he's playing at and the fee he seems likely to command. Johnny Tex (RIP) disagrees.
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Butland
Aug 9, 2020 10:43:33 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 9, 2020 10:43:33 GMT
No professional footballer is crap in truth. He's crap relative to the level he's playing at and the fee he seems likely to command. Johnny Tex (RIP) disagrees. Did he eve play for anyone? He was a great lad though
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Butland
Aug 9, 2020 10:43:37 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 9, 2020 10:43:37 GMT
I really don’t think he did. Against Brizzle we were all over the shop and we should have been two down against Forest. He was Cort like. That’s as big an insult as I can hand out defensively. We were 1st half. I thought he was the best of the 3 though and not nearly as all over the place as his mates. He's not good enough to do his own job and that of others for sure but he finished the season as well as we could possibly hope. He made up for errors for some big goals I will say that. But I don’t think that’s acceptable in any way shape or form.
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Butland
Aug 9, 2020 10:44:05 GMT
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Post by sheds1862 on Aug 9, 2020 10:44:05 GMT
I think that's a bit harsh. He's just had two years at Chesterfield and Wimbledon and suddenly gone from 4th choice to number one because Howe lost the plot over his goalkeepers. Bournemouth even when midtable have had an awful defensive record for a while now. Transfer fees are bonkers , they are arguably looking at 55 million for Ake and Ramsdale yet got relegated. Ramsdale is nowhere near a Premier League keeper yet and was thrown in by a desperate Howe . He is not crap though . No professional footballer is crap in truth. He's crap relative to the level he's playing at and the fee he seems likely to command. Agreed but as I said he'd played in a Chesterfield team relegated to non league and a lower table Wimbledon. Howe definitely had no idea who was his number one and randomly gave him the shirt. The fee is probably down to the fact he's English . And as we know most clubs other than ourselves seem to get good money for their players but that's another issue altogether.
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Post by clarkeda on Aug 9, 2020 10:44:13 GMT
Sell him for whatever price anyone offers. He may well come good at a new club, but he's a liability for us. Out of 19 penalties faced with us, he's saved not one. He’s definitely saved 1
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Butland
Aug 9, 2020 10:45:04 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 9, 2020 10:45:04 GMT
No professional footballer is crap in truth. He's crap relative to the level he's playing at and the fee he seems likely to command. Agreed but as I said he'd played in a Chesterfield team relegated to non league and a lower table Wimbledon. Howe definitely had no idea who was his number one and randomly gave him the shirt. The fee is probably down to the fact he's English . And as we know most clubs other than ourselves seem to get good money for their players but that's another issue altogether. You are seemingly agreeing with me. You are just more polite towards the lad.
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Butland
Aug 9, 2020 10:48:40 GMT
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Post by sheds1862 on Aug 9, 2020 10:48:40 GMT
Agreed but as I said he'd played in a Chesterfield team relegated to non league and a lower table Wimbledon. Howe definitely had no idea who was his number one and randomly gave him the shirt. The fee is probably down to the fact he's English . And as we know most clubs other than ourselves seem to get good money for their players but that's another issue altogether. You are seemingly agreeing with me. You are just more polite towards the lad. In a round about way I am. Just thought it was a bit harsh given the defence at Bournemouth was like a cullinder. He's been thrown to the wolves by Howe but despite Bournemouth not being high profile I don't recall that many glaring errors as generally they had 3 or 4 up them
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Butland
Aug 9, 2020 11:32:57 GMT
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Post by lordb on Aug 9, 2020 11:32:57 GMT
Sell him for whatever price anyone offers. He may well come good at a new club, but he's a liability for us. Out of 19 penalties faced with us, he's saved not one. He’s definitely saved 1 In a shootout v Hazard Fantastic save Saved zero otherwise
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 9, 2020 11:42:49 GMT
Could be way out and it's all guesswork, but.......
If he's up for a Prem no.2 role, and there is actually interest from there, I could optimistically see us getting maybe £3-4m and, at a push, him getting the kind of wage he's on now?
But, if not, what realistically could a Championship club offer us - and him in salary in this environment?
Would there be something out there in the MLS or somewhere like that?
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Butland
Aug 9, 2020 12:09:14 GMT
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Aug 9, 2020 12:09:14 GMT
I think he'll go to a lower end prem team for a small fee,at the end of the day he's had a few high profile errors and is lacking confidence, lots of prem coaches will fancy they can get him back in form,if they do his value goes up massively after just a couple of good performances
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Post by dioufsboots on Aug 9, 2020 12:12:33 GMT
Could be way out and it's all guesswork, but....... If he's up for a Prem no.2 role, and there is actually interest from there, I could optimistically see us getting maybe £3-4m and, at a push, him getting the kind of wage he's on now? But, if not, what realistically could a Championship club offer us - and him in salary in this environment? Would there be something out there in the MLS or somewhere like that? Think have said it before on here somewhere like MLS would suit him
am just hoping he dont start the season in goal for us tbh
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Post by clarkeda on Aug 10, 2020 12:51:47 GMT
In a shootout v Hazard Fantastic save Saved zero otherwise Do he has saved one 😂 I’m just being facetious, his record is awful I agree.
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Post by spiderpuss on Aug 10, 2020 12:54:03 GMT
Could be way out and it's all guesswork, but....... If he's up for a Prem no.2 role, and there is actually interest from there, I could optimistically see us getting maybe £3-4m and, at a push, him getting the kind of wage he's on now? But, if not, what realistically could a Championship club offer us - and him in salary in this environment? Would there be something out there in the MLS or somewhere like that? That or the Chinese leagues might be the option. Given the current environment and the current set-up, you can see him just bumming around this year being the "cup" goalee for us.
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Post by liathroid on Aug 10, 2020 15:54:21 GMT
look Bayern
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 12, 2020 8:12:02 GMT
IF he doesn't leave, going to be interesting to see who starts the season.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 12, 2020 9:56:07 GMT
We desperately need him gone and off the wage bill.
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Post by superjonscape on Aug 12, 2020 10:15:55 GMT
If butland is number 1 next season I dont want a ST because O'Neill is being told he has to play in my opinion, along with Ince. How poor and how many howlers do they have to be/make before they are axed. Either they are not good enough or their heart isn't in it, or both, either way, time to go gentlemen. Below sub standard isn't good enough, far from it and it sets a bad example to the others if serial under performers are consistently selected
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Post by lordb on Aug 12, 2020 11:17:53 GMT
If butland is number 1 next season I dont want a ST because O'Neill is being told he has to play in my opinion, along with Ince. How poor and how many howlers do they have to be/make before they are axed. Either they are not good enough or their heart isn't in it, or both, either way, time to go gentlemen. Below sub standard isn't good enough, far from it and it sets a bad example to the others if serial under performers are consistently selected If he was being told Butland had to play why was Butland on the bench ? Same with Ince. The idea that O'Neil would that the job with that stipulation is bonkers None of our managers (& there has been a few) have alluded to anything on those lines either.
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Post by superjonscape on Aug 12, 2020 11:25:55 GMT
If butland is number 1 next season I dont want a ST because O'Neill is being told he has to play in my opinion, along with Ince. How poor and how many howlers do they have to be/make before they are axed. Either they are not good enough or their heart isn't in it, or both, either way, time to go gentlemen. Below sub standard isn't good enough, far from it and it sets a bad example to the others if serial under performers are consistently selected If he was being told Butland had to play why was Butland on the bench ? Same with Ince. The idea that O'Neil would that the job with that stipulation is bonkers None of our managers (& there has been a few) have alluded to anything on those lines either. their performances were that bad though that no manager worth his salt would continue to select them. At the death they were benched, probably told he was free to do so as the boards & ceo's behinds started to twitch? What about bauer and the infamous GR /Scholes aalledged' incident, told he had to play, just got a new contract? True or false?
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Aug 12, 2020 11:59:38 GMT
If butland is number 1 next season I dont want a ST because O'Neill is being told he has to play in my opinion, along with Ince. How poor and how many howlers do they have to be/make before they are axed. Either they are not good enough or their heart isn't in it, or both, either way, time to go gentlemen. Below sub standard isn't good enough, far from it and it sets a bad example to the others if serial under performers are consistently selected Where do you get it from that Butland has to play? Both Jones and O' Neill dropped him last season.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2020 21:43:34 GMT
If butland is number 1 next season I dont want a ST because O'Neill is being told he has to play in my opinion, along with Ince. How poor and how many howlers do they have to be/make before they are axed. Either they are not good enough or their heart isn't in it, or both, either way, time to go gentlemen. Below sub standard isn't good enough, far from it and it sets a bad example to the others if serial under performers are consistently selected Where do you get it from that Butland has to play? Both Jones and O' Neill dropped him last season. Not my argument but the problem is ...why was butland playing in the first place He plays worse than Lee grant but despite Lee grant playing well enough to earn a move to man utd ...he is dropped to get butland back in the team ...why ? Surely you just play the vastly better keeper ( grant ) ...how the hell do you get dropped for being miles better than the other guy After umpteen attempts at throwing NJ under the bus ...NJ finally drops him ...and feds is an improvement without being a world beater Then MoN arrives on the scene , and he is back in the team again for being worse than even feds ..what's all that about ? Then he tries to throw MoN under the bus , so MoN drops him and Adam Davies comes in to save the day And yet still there are people on here who want him back in the team for being even worse than Adam Davies ...why ? I am convinced butland's mum has about 15 usernames on here . If he is not as good as Lee grant ( he isn't ) and he is not as good as federici ( he isn't ) and he is not as good as Adam Davies ( he isn't ) you don't need to be a footballing expert to realise he is not good enough . Why he keeps getting reinstated into the team to fail again and again and again , I honestly don't know . But it's hardly surprising it causes speculation someone is forcing the issue here NJ is not a retard and nor is MoN , so they both know saving 58 per cent of shots on target this season is not good enough . Something is going on . I have no idea what . But something is going on .
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Post by hotpot on Aug 13, 2020 1:53:27 GMT
Get rid of Butland.
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Post by crowey on Aug 13, 2020 9:08:59 GMT
..... Butterfingers needs to move on in his & (most importantly) our best interests. I will wish him all the very best in his future career
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Butland
Aug 13, 2020 14:10:50 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 13, 2020 14:10:50 GMT
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