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Post by wagsastokie on Feb 17, 2021 15:37:52 GMT
Maybe they do but I’m sure a large section of the local community and the majority of the country call it Londonderry
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2021 15:39:32 GMT
McGuinness could shake the Queen's hand but McClean couldn't even face the flag while the anthem was being played. McGuinness may of been responsible for the murder of hundreds of innocent people during the troubles but he was prepared to move on. McClean has every right to turn away from the flag. That his right and does not justify the level of abuse he receives. He is also from Derry, so I dont blame him one iota for the stance he takes on certain issues. I am from Stoke. So you won't blame me for my stance then when I see him posting images of himself giving his kids a history lesson wearing a balaclava, or when he completely disrespects our war heroes year after year, or when he calls fans the club he plays for "cunts" amongst a load of other self inflicted shit he brings to the table. Do any other Irish footballers in the English leagues get the abuse McClean gets? He needs to have a look in the mirror because every bit of over the top, beyond the pale abuse he or his family get, has been brought on by himself. I'm not saying that makes it ok, because it doesn't, but he has invited a load of "internet abuse" from the dickheads who stalk social media onto himself with his purposely provocative actions. So forgive me if my sympathy is saved for people who really need it, and not some bloke who goes out of his way to disrespect the country he decided to earn a handsome living in.
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Post by wagsastokie on Feb 17, 2021 15:44:53 GMT
Can you come up with examples of where people have been racist to McClean Racism has sod all to do with people’s objections to McClean Some people rightly find his stance on the murdering of innocent men women and children by cowardly bastards A little hard to take What stance on the murdering of innocent men women and children is that ? By his failure to condemn the provincial ira Which maybe acceptable in your eyes but it is not in the eyes of others I respect his right not to wear a poppy as that is anyone’s right and what my relatives fought for in the world wars And I have no time for the poppy police But in my eyes if you fail to fully condemn terrorism than you are partly complicit
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Feb 17, 2021 15:51:01 GMT
Yes it was, a lot of what McClean puts on social media is a reaction to the abuse he receives. He doesn't support terrorism and nor does he hate Britain. But if someone is being spat at in public, receving death threats (not only to themselves but also their family) and is doing so on a daily basis, then quite frankly I can forgive the odd misguided instagram post. To try and argue that it is somehow his own fault that he is receiving this abuse is ridiculous in my opinion. View Attachment Here he is with a bloke who clearly wasn't a terrorist. Here's another photo of people enjoying a laugh with Martin McGuiness. I don't think most people would argue that it shows that Bertie Ahern, Ian Paisley and Gordon Brown were sympathetic to terrorism. McGuiness was widely believed in his younger days to have been a provo commander, which if true is highly likely to mean that he was involved in acts of violence. But he subsequently contributed hugely to the peace process and became the 2nd minister in Northern Ireland to Ian Paisley, whose relationship with him became close enough for them to be known as the chuckle brothers, and then with Peter Robinson. If staunch loyalists like Paisley and Robinson could not only closely work with, but have respect for, McGuiness, it is hardly fair to criticise James McClean for having his picture taken with him, or to infer that this indicates that James supporters violent terrorism.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 17, 2021 16:02:34 GMT
Where is Martin McGuinness from? Turning his back on the flag was unnecessary, he knew he was going to get abuse for it and he gets to play the brave republican hero again. Personally I couldn't give a shit, the anthem was only played because West Brom were playing in some mid West shit hole where they go for all that, I don't think it should be played. I am not justifying any abuse I'm saying there's some nutters out there and McClean keeps giving them ammunition. The abuse he gets is not the same as black footballers being abused just for the colour of their skin. Actually he didn't turn his back on the flag or anything else. He remained in the line facing the main stand, whilst the other players turned 90 degrees to face to the stars and stripes and I assume but am not sure the Union flag, whilst anthems were played. This was a friendly club game in the USA in which WBA were not representing GB. I agree with you that neither the anthem nor the Union flag if it was there were appropriate on that occasion. If he felt strongly enough about it to stand quietly without turning to face a flag, I think he has that right without receiving abuse for doing so. Teammate Gareth McAuley reckons differently:
“Then there was the time on a West Brom tour to the United States when James made sure he had his back turned to the Union Jack and subsequently the Stars and Stripes."
I will take his word for it thanks.
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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 17, 2021 16:03:49 GMT
I am ashamed of the abuse on here at the moment. I would agree he is a limited footballer who wasn't needed at the club. However his commitment has never been in question. He hasn't been a Jese, N'diaye or any other who came for the money but not to commit to the club. I guess most people on here have missed the issue totally. McClean is not questioning the abuse he gets as a footballer, he accepts that. He is questioning the abuse he and his family including 3 very young children get for being Irish which is racist abuse. There is no excuse for the treatment he and even more his wife gets. He even says he has no hatred for the English, loves the country and people, wouldn't be here if he didn't. I can see why people get upset about the poppy but he's not the only player not to wear one but has gone to the trouble to explain why which if you bother to read it, for me is a genuine reason. I have said before that from being a simple show of support the poppy has become a big show of look at me, aren't I great? If you buy a poppy to genuinely remember those who sacrificed their lives I would like to ask how many of you bought one last November when we were in lockdown. I admit I didn't and I'm ashamed that I didn't. How many of you bought an enamel pin which you dig out every year? If McClean wore a poppy it would be hypocritical as he would only be doing it to go along with the masses rather than what he feels. At least he has the integrity to stand by his beliefs. Nobody should suffer abuse or threats because of what they feel or believe. We all have a right to our opinion. The name calling on here of fans who have shown some support for McClean is disgusting in the same way. We have a right to have different views and although those views can be open to debate they should never lead to abuse. You should be able to give reasons to support your opinions and McClean has done this throughout his career, sometimes too vociferously but he has never been online and threatened or abused anybody. Do you want him out of the club for his footballing ability or his stance on the poppy? Can you come up with examples of where people have been racist to McClean Racism has sod all to do with people’s objections to McClean Some people rightly find his stance on the murdering of innocent men women and children by cowardly bastards A little hard to take I am confused by your response. He objects to the Derry massacre when British soldiers fired indiscriminately into an unarmed crowd killing 14 innocent men. How can you object to that stance? He has never claimed to support the IRA but cannot support the British soldiers responsible for this act of murder in his home city. If you would like to read a bit more this article sums up my feelings www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/poppy-james-mcclean-matic-guardiola-klopp-remembrance-sunday-armistice-day-a9194266.html
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 17, 2021 16:04:41 GMT
Maybe they do but I’m sure a large section of the local community and the majority of the country call it Londonderry Or the Bog.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 17, 2021 16:12:05 GMT
Call me Dave and Jimmy Saville no thanks, in my view he was glorifying terrorism not self parody, would you post that with your kids sitting in front of you on social media ? he is welcome to his beliefs no problem at all with that, however if you are stupid enough to post that you should expect a negative response especially with the mindless goons that frequent social media platforms such an instagram, twatter and faceless fcuk, he knows what he is doing posting stuff like that he knows he will get responses, if you play with fire you are going to get burnt (not literally) The "Jimmy" Saville comment is just a bit silly. This was a judicial enquiry by a High Court judge, Lord Saville, into what happened as a result of which the Prime Minister on behalf of the country rightly issued an apology for what the British Army did on that day. The abuse he has received long pre-dated the self-parody instagram post. The abuse caused the post, not the other way round. As I said above, it was an ill-judged post which he recognised and for which he apologised and was fined by the Club. It was ill-judged both because it was an uncomfortable and inappropriate image and because it gave people who don't like his views on the irish question the opportunity to falsely claim that he supports or glorifies terrorism. You have referred to the way he and his wife bring up their children. You are not is a position to comment on that. Given the financial and other support he has given to good causes in both North Staffordshire and his home City during Covid and before, I think in many respects he will be a good role model for his children. Would you post that with your kids in front of you on social media ?, does wearing an IRA pin badge send out the right message that he doesn't support the IRA ? looking at that picture it is my opinion that is not an appropriate way to bring up your kids, those are my opinions I am allowed to have my opinions is that ok ?
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Post by wagsastokie on Feb 17, 2021 16:17:30 GMT
Can you come up with examples of where people have been racist to McClean Racism has sod all to do with people’s objections to McClean Some people rightly find his stance on the murdering of innocent men women and children by cowardly bastards A little hard to take I am confused by your response. He objects to the Derry massacre when British soldiers fired indiscriminately into an unarmed crowd killing 14 innocent men. How can you object to that stance? He has never claimed to support the IRA but cannot support the British soldiers responsible for this act of murder in his home city. If you would like to read a bit more this article sums up my feelings www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/poppy-james-mcclean-matic-guardiola-klopp-remembrance-sunday-armistice-day-a9194266.htmlAs I have posted earlier I’ve no problem with his wearing of a poppy My family fought for the right of someone not to wear a poppy As you have far more knowledge of McCleans stance on the troubles than me Can you post some links to where he has condemned all the ira murders of innocent people It may lead me to change my stance on the man
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2021 16:29:28 GMT
Can you come up with examples of where people have been racist to McClean Racism has sod all to do with people’s objections to McClean Some people rightly find his stance on the murdering of innocent men women and children by cowardly bastards A little hard to take I am confused by your response. He objects to the Derry massacre when British soldiers fired indiscriminately into an unarmed crowd killing 14 innocent men. How can you object to that stance? He has never claimed to support the IRA but cannot support the British soldiers responsible for this act of murder in his home city. If you would like to read a bit more this article sums up my feelings www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/poppy-james-mcclean-matic-guardiola-klopp-remembrance-sunday-armistice-day-a9194266.htmli think you're banging your head against the wall with some. the irony is some calling him out for supporting terrorists who were responsible for so called cowardly acts when all he is doing is objecting to an act so cowardly in his home city of Derry that you wouldn't have expected to see on the streets of El salvador in the 70s never mind in the UK. The fact he has no respect for armed soldiers who did this on his own doorstep makes him dis-respectful and the fact it's been covered up ever since. Bizarre point of view really .' Some people rightly find his stance on the murdering of innocent men women and children by cowardly bastards
A little hard to take' ...Surely those berating him are doing just that. Ironic isn't it?
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Post by daisydog on Feb 17, 2021 16:38:48 GMT
I am ashamed of the abuse on here at the moment. I would agree he is a limited footballer who wasn't needed at the club. However his commitment has never been in question. He hasn't been a Jese, N'diaye or any other who came for the money but not to commit to the club. I guess most people on here have missed the issue totally. McClean is not questioning the abuse he gets as a footballer, he accepts that. He is questioning the abuse he and his family including 3 very young children get for being Irish which is racist abuse. There is no excuse for the treatment he and even more his wife gets. He even says he has no hatred for the English, loves the country and people, wouldn't be here if he didn't. I can see why people get upset about the poppy but he's not the only player not to wear one but has gone to the trouble to explain why which if you bother to read it, for me is a genuine reason. I have said before that from being a simple show of support the poppy has become a big show of look at me, aren't I great? If you buy a poppy to genuinely remember those who sacrificed their lives I would like to ask how many of you bought one last November when we were in lockdown. I admit I didn't and I'm ashamed that I didn't. How many of you bought an enamel pin which you dig out every year? If McClean wore a poppy it would be hypocritical as he would only be doing it to go along with the masses rather than what he feels. At least he has the integrity to stand by his beliefs. Nobody should suffer abuse or threats because of what they feel or believe. We all have a right to our opinion. The name calling on here of fans who have shown some support for McClean is disgusting in the same way. We have a right to have different views and although those views can be open to debate they should never lead to abuse. You should be able to give reasons to support your opinions and McClean has done this throughout his career, sometimes too vociferously but he has never been online and threatened or abused anybody. Do you want him out of the club for his footballing ability or his stance on the poppy? Can you come up with examples of where people have been racist to McClean Racism has sod all to do with people’s objections to McClean Some people rightly find his stance on the murdering of innocent men women and children by cowardly bastards A little hard to take I assume you're talking about Bloody Sunday and there are some on here who do find it hard to take.I think it's a little harsh to call all the Para's cowardly bastards, some I'm sure did not condone the slaughter and of the 13 unarmed people murdered ( most shot in the back ) there were no women and the youngest was 17 (but I think that can count as a child). I applaud your bravery as I'm sure some on here will attack you for this.
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Post by wagsastokie on Feb 17, 2021 16:43:27 GMT
Can you come up with examples of where people have been racist to McClean Racism has sod all to do with people’s objections to McClean Some people rightly find his stance on the murdering of innocent men women and children by cowardly bastards A little hard to take I assume you're talking about Bloody Sunday and there are some on here who do find it hard to take.I think it's a little harsh to call all the Para's cowardly bastards, some I'm sure did not condone the slaughter and of the 13 unarmed people murdered ( most shot in the back ) there were no women and the youngest was 17 (but I think that can count as a child). I applaud your bravery as I'm sure some on here will attack you for this. No I’m not talking about Londonderry I’m talking about the innocent men women and children that a organisation he has shown support for murdered And there crime was to go about their daily lives
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Feb 17, 2021 16:47:30 GMT
The "Jimmy" Saville comment is just a bit silly. This was a judicial enquiry by a High Court judge, Lord Saville, into what happened as a result of which the Prime Minister on behalf of the country rightly issued an apology for what the British Army did on that day. The abuse he has received long pre-dated the self-parody instagram post. The abuse caused the post, not the other way round. As I said above, it was an ill-judged post which he recognised and for which he apologised and was fined by the Club. It was ill-judged both because it was an uncomfortable and inappropriate image and because it gave people who don't like his views on the irish question the opportunity to falsely claim that he supports or glorifies terrorism. You have referred to the way he and his wife bring up their children. You are not is a position to comment on that. Given the financial and other support he has given to good causes in both North Staffordshire and his home City during Covid and before, I think in many respects he will be a good role model for his children. Would you post that with your kids in front of you on social media ?, does wearing an IRA pin badge send out the right message that he doesn't support the IRA ? looking at that picture it is my opinion that is not an appropriate way to bring up your kids, those are my opinions I am allowed to have my opinions is that ok ? You are of course allowed to have an opinion, but when you put it in the public domain, I am allowed to question the basis on which you feel qualified to comment on the way in which the McCleans bring up their children. Neither you nor I have any idea at all what he said to his children when that picture was taken, or what he says more generally about the abuse the family receives, or any aspect of teaching them standards or behaviour. As I said above, and he has accepted, it was an uncomfortable and inappropriate image but like all things, the background and context has to be considered, part of which is years of abuse directed at him. Part of the problem with all these discussions is that they often present a simplified picture of what is a very complex and very longstanding issue - the history and future of Ireland, and the role of the British in that. For example your reference to "the IRA". There are and have been various branches of the IRA - the official IRA, the provisional IRA, the real IRA and others which have taken very different views about the use of violence, and indeed changed those views at different points in history - the outcome of the peace process and the good Friday agreement which has given us more than two decades of near peace, and the positive role of the likes of Martin McGuiness in that being a relatively recent prime example. Very understandably, when people on the mainland talk about the IRA it is generally a reference to the former violence of the provisional IRA, which was of course appalling, and we hope and pray will never return, but any informed discussion about the IRA is far more complex than that.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 17, 2021 16:50:43 GMT
Would you post that with your kids in front of you on social media ?, does wearing an IRA pin badge send out the right message that he doesn't support the IRA ? looking at that picture it is my opinion that is not an appropriate way to bring up your kids, those are my opinions I am allowed to have my opinions is that ok ? You are of course allowed to have an opinion, but when you put it in the public domain, I am allowed to question the basis on which you feel qualified to comment on the way in which the McCleans bring up their children. Neither you nor I have any idea at all what he said to his children when that picture was taken, or what he says more generally about the abuse the family receives, or any aspect of teaching them standards or behaviour. As I said above, and he has accepted, it was an uncomfortable and inappropriate image but like all things, the background and context has to be considered, part of which is years of abuse directed at him. Part of the problem with all these discussions is that they often present a simplified picture of what is a very complex and very longstanding issue - the history and future of Ireland, and the role of the British in that. For example your reference to "the IRA". There are and have been various branches of the IRA - the official IRA, the provisional IRA, the real IRA and others which have taken very different views about the use of violence, and indeed changed those views at different points in history - the outcome of the peace process and the good Friday agreement which has given us more than two decades of near peace, and the positive role of the likes of Martin McGuiness in that being a relatively recent prime example. Very understandably, when people on the mainland talk about the IRA it is generally a reference to the former violence of the provisional IRA, which was of course appalling, and we hope and pray will never return, but any informed discussion about the IRA is far more complex than that. Would you post that with your kids in front of you on social media ?
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Feb 17, 2021 16:51:09 GMT
Actually he didn't turn his back on the flag or anything else. He remained in the line facing the main stand, whilst the other players turned 90 degrees to face to the stars and stripes and I assume but am not sure the Union flag, whilst anthems were played. This was a friendly club game in the USA in which WBA were not representing GB. I agree with you that neither the anthem nor the Union flag if it was there were appropriate on that occasion. If he felt strongly enough about it to stand quietly without turning to face a flag, I think he has that right without receiving abuse for doing so. Teammate Gareth McAuley reckons differently:
“Then there was the time on a West Brom tour to the United States when James made sure he had his back turned to the Union Jack and subsequently the Stars and Stripes."
I will take his word for it thanks.
You can see it on the video.
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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 17, 2021 16:51:21 GMT
As I have posted earlier I’ve no problem with his wearing of a poppy My family fought for the right of someone not to wear a poppy As you have far more knowledge of McCleans stance on the troubles than me Can you post some links to where he has condemned all the ira murders of innocent people It may lead me to change my stance on the man I don't want to waste my time. If you want to give me examples of his support for the IRA fine by me. He wasn't even alive during the troubles but this act of murder took place in his home town, it is a bit of his history, he quite possibly knows family of the murdered men. I'm not surprised that he doesn't want to wear the poppy shirt the selling of which will go to support families of men who shot at innocent people and an organisation which ever since covered it up and did not condemn it. I don't have a great knowledge of the troubles apart from having lived through them as a teenager/young adult in Stoke and having read about it since. I even have sympathy for soldiers who no doubt had lost colleagues but that does not mean that it should not be seen now as an uncalled act of violence. Most of all we need to understand that the people of Derry experienced it from the other side and accept their views. Would you want to support an organisation which had indiscriminately killed 14 people from Stoke on Trent? If you lived in Germany for work would you want to donate to the families of ex nazis?
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Post by daisydog on Feb 17, 2021 16:51:21 GMT
I assume you're talking about Bloody Sunday and there are some on here who do find it hard to take.I think it's a little harsh to call all the Para's cowardly bastards, some I'm sure did not condone the slaughter and of the 13 unarmed people murdered ( most shot in the back ) there were no women and the youngest was 17 (but I think that can count as a child). I applaud your bravery as I'm sure some on here will attack you for this. No I’m not talking about Londonderry I’m talking about the innocent men women and children that a organisation he has shown support for murdered And there crime was to go about their daily lives Confusing though isn't it, innocent civilians being killed on the street, shot in the back,killers getting off scot free ? But I am sure you are against the murder of anyone in that case and condemn anyone who participates as a "cowardly bastard" ? I do.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Feb 17, 2021 16:58:14 GMT
You are of course allowed to have an opinion, but when you put it in the public domain, I am allowed to question the basis on which you feel qualified to comment on the way in which the McCleans bring up their children. Neither you nor I have any idea at all what he said to his children when that picture was taken, or what he says more generally about the abuse the family receives, or any aspect of teaching them standards or behaviour. As I said above, and he has accepted, it was an uncomfortable and inappropriate image but like all things, the background and context has to be considered, part of which is years of abuse directed at him. Part of the problem with all these discussions is that they often present a simplified picture of what is a very complex and very longstanding issue - the history and future of Ireland, and the role of the British in that. For example your reference to "the IRA". There are and have been various branches of the IRA - the official IRA, the provisional IRA, the real IRA and others which have taken very different views about the use of violence, and indeed changed those views at different points in history - the outcome of the peace process and the good Friday agreement which has given us more than two decades of near peace, and the positive role of the likes of Martin McGuiness in that being a relatively recent prime example. Very understandably, when people on the mainland talk about the IRA it is generally a reference to the former violence of the provisional IRA, which was of course appalling, and we hope and pray will never return, but any informed discussion about the IRA is far more complex than that. Would you post that with your kids in front of you on social media ? Did you read what I posted ? I said that it was an uncomfortable and inappropriate image - much more importantly so has he - but your question completely misses the point. I am not from a City which has experienced the effects of conflict as he is, and I have not experienced the kind of social media and direct on-street abuse which he and his family has, and I'm not sure how I would react if I did.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2021 17:04:20 GMT
As I have posted earlier I’ve no problem with his wearing of a poppy My family fought for the right of someone not to wear a poppy As you have far more knowledge of McCleans stance on the troubles than me Can you post some links to where he has condemned all the ira murders of innocent people It may lead me to change my stance on the man I don't want to waste my time. If you want to give me examples of his support for the IRA fine by me. He wasn't even alive during the troubles but this act of murder took place in his home town, it is a bit of his history, he quite possibly knows family of the murdered men. I'm not surprised that he doesn't want to wear the poppy shirt the selling of which will go to support families of men who shot at innocent people and an organisation which ever since covered it up and did not condemn it. I don't have a great knowledge of the troubles apart from having lived through them as a teenager/young adult in Stoke and having read about it since. I even have sympathy for soldiers who no doubt had lost colleagues but that does not mean that it should not be seen now as an uncalled act of violence. Most of all we need to understand that the people of Derry experienced it from the other side and accept their views. Would you want to support an organisation which had indiscriminately killed 14 people from Stoke on Trent? If you lived in Germany for work would you want to donate to the families of ex nazis? McClean must pay a lot of tax which goes towards the armed forces and he is currently employed by an ex para.
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Post by wagsastokie on Feb 17, 2021 17:05:29 GMT
As I have posted earlier I’ve no problem with his wearing of a poppy My family fought for the right of someone not to wear a poppy As you have far more knowledge of McCleans stance on the troubles than me Can you post some links to where he has condemned all the ira murders of innocent people It may lead me to change my stance on the man I don't want to waste my time. If you want to give me examples of his support for the IRA. He wasn't even alive during the troubles but this act of murder took place in his home town, it is a bit of his history, he quite possibly knows family of the murdered men. I'm not surprised that he doesn't want to wear the poppy shirt the selling of which will go to support families of men who shot at innocent people and an organisation which ever since covered it up and not condemned it. I don't have a great knowledge of the troubles apart from having lived through them as a teenager/young adult in Stoke and having read about it since. I even have sympathy for soldiers who no doubt had lost colleagues but that does not mean that it should not be seen now as an uncalled act of violence. Most of all we need to understand that the people of Derry experienced it from the other side and accept their views. Would you want to support an organisation which had indiscriminately killed 14 people from Stoke on Trent? If you lived in Germany for work would you want to donate to the families of ex nazis? And I have no wish to waste anymore time on the subject I’ve already past comments on the event in Londonderry earlier in the thread And if I had experienced or had family that had than I would probably have the same opinion My problem lies with his failure to fully condemn a bunch of murdering cowards who committed heinous indiscriminate crimes in this country He could simply solve the issue in many people’s eyes by simply posting on his social media That he will not support a organisation that he sees as committing unlawful murder But he also fully condemn murders committed by republicans also
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Post by banksisgod on Feb 17, 2021 17:05:44 GMT
Derry? Londonderry? There, in a nutshell, is the entire problem, encapsulated. As a proud Irishman and life-long SCFC supporter, it saddens me to read some of the nonsense on here that passes for "considered opinion". This applies as much to the crap posted recently about Martin O'Neill (without whom, in my humble opinion, we probably would have been playing Rochdale last night, instead of Sheffield Wednesday), as it does to the ill-informed, one-eyed bilge posted about James McClean and Northern Ireland politics.
There are interesting parallels to be drawn between the singular, one-sided views on display here from some, to the unfolding, unholy shit-show that is Brexit. In conversation, negotiation and debate, it always helps to have an interest in, and a knowledge of, the other point of view.
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Post by Davef on Feb 17, 2021 17:05:46 GMT
Would you post that with your kids in front of you on social media ? Did you read what I posted ? I said that it was an uncomfortable and inappropriate image - much more importantly so has he - but your question completely misses the point. I am not from a City which has experienced the effects of conflict as he is, and I have not experienced the kind of social media and direct on-street abuse which he and his family has, and I'm not sure how I would react if I did. Of course he didn't read what you posted. You're wasting your time Malcolm.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 17, 2021 17:11:06 GMT
Teammate Gareth McAuley reckons differently:
“Then there was the time on a West Brom tour to the United States when James made sure he had his back turned to the Union Jack and subsequently the Stars and Stripes."
I will take his word for it thanks.
You can see it on the video. Are you calling Gareth McAuley a liar ?
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Post by Clayton Wood on Feb 17, 2021 17:11:27 GMT
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Post by daisydog on Feb 17, 2021 17:14:57 GMT
I don't want to waste my time. If you want to give me examples of his support for the IRA. He wasn't even alive during the troubles but this act of murder took place in his home town, it is a bit of his history, he quite possibly knows family of the murdered men. I'm not surprised that he doesn't want to wear the poppy shirt the selling of which will go to support families of men who shot at innocent people and an organisation which ever since covered it up and not condemned it. I don't have a great knowledge of the troubles apart from having lived through them as a teenager/young adult in Stoke and having read about it since. I even have sympathy for soldiers who no doubt had lost colleagues but that does not mean that it should not be seen now as an uncalled act of violence. Most of all we need to understand that the people of Derry experienced it from the other side and accept their views. Would you want to support an organisation which had indiscriminately killed 14 people from Stoke on Trent? If you lived in Germany for work would you want to donate to the families of ex nazis? And I have no wish to waste anymore time on the subject I’ve already past comments on the event in Londonderry earlier in the thread And if I had experienced or had family that had than I would probably have the same opinion My problem lies with his failure to fully condemn a bunch of murdering cowards who committed heinous indiscriminate crimes in this country He could simply solve the issue in many people’s eyes by simply posting on his social media That he will not support a organisation that he sees as committing unlawful murder But he also fully condemn murders committed by republicans also The organisation you talk of committing unlawful murder I assume is the British Army, you really are asking for trouble on here. By the way I don't think he supports the British Army in the same as he has never supported the IRA.
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Post by wagsastokie on Feb 17, 2021 17:19:29 GMT
And I have no wish to waste anymore time on the subject I’ve already past comments on the event in Londonderry earlier in the thread And if I had experienced or had family that had than I would probably have the same opinion My problem lies with his failure to fully condemn a bunch of murdering cowards who committed heinous indiscriminate crimes in this country He could simply solve the issue in many people’s eyes by simply posting on his social media That he will not support a organisation that he sees as committing unlawful murder But he also fully condemn murders committed by republicans also The organisation you talk of committing unlawful murder I assume is the British Army, you really are asking for trouble on here. By the way I don't think he supports the British Army in the same as he has never supported the IRA. Openly supporting and failing to condemn can be seen in the eyes of many as the same thing All I want to know does he condemn the actions of the ira or not
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Post by daisydog on Feb 17, 2021 17:23:08 GMT
The organisation you talk of committing unlawful murder I assume is the British Army, you really are asking for trouble on here. By the way I don't think he supports the British Army in the same as he has never supported the IRA. Openly supporting and failing to condemn can be seen in the eyes of many as the same thing All I want to know does he condemn the actions of the ira or not So you condemn the actions of the Paras and in your words call them "cowardly bastards" ? Brave man.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Feb 17, 2021 17:23:11 GMT
You can see it on the video. Are you calling Gareth McAuley a liar ? OK, you've tempted me to find it myself. Here is the picture. He remained, head bowed, facing the stand whilst the other players turned 90 degrees towards the flag(s). He didn't turn his back on the flag(s) Attachment Deleted
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Post by flea79 on Feb 17, 2021 17:24:40 GMT
i wish he would spend as much time talking to other clubs about a move, he is trouble, i dont see any other irish players getting grief, just him, i wonder what the denominator of that could be
although the thought that he pays tax here which funds our armed forces is really tickling me now
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Post by wagsastokie on Feb 17, 2021 17:24:52 GMT
Nobody should have his wife a kid’s subjected to abuse Also people who resort to online abuse are nothing short of pathetic I still struggle to find what is racist in this and the bbc are not Helping the situation by using a quote by the political mouthpiece of the ira
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