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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 17, 2021 11:42:41 GMT
I am ashamed of the abuse on here at the moment. I would agree he is a limited footballer who wasn't needed at the club. However his commitment has never been in question. He hasn't been a Jese, N'diaye or any other who came for the money but not to commit to the club.
I guess most people on here have missed the issue totally. McClean is not questioning the abuse he gets as a footballer, he accepts that. He is questioning the abuse he and his family including 3 very young children get for being Irish which is racist abuse. There is no excuse for the treatment he and even more his wife gets. He even says he has no hatred for the English, loves the country and people, wouldn't be here if he didn't. I can see why people get upset about the poppy but he's not the only player not to wear one but has gone to the trouble to explain why which if you bother to read it, for me is a genuine reason.
I have said before that from being a simple show of support the poppy has become a big show of look at me, aren't I great? If you buy a poppy to genuinely remember those who sacrificed their lives I would like to ask how many of you bought one last November when we were in lockdown. I admit I didn't and I'm ashamed that I didn't. How many of you bought an enamel pin which you dig out every year? If McClean wore a poppy it would be hypocritical as he would only be doing it to go along with the masses rather than what he feels. At least he has the integrity to stand by his beliefs. Nobody should suffer abuse or threats because of what they feel or believe. We all have a right to our opinion.
The name calling on here of fans who have shown some support for McClean is disgusting in the same way. We have a right to have different views and although those views can be open to debate they should never lead to abuse. You should be able to give reasons to support your opinions and McClean has done this throughout his career, sometimes too vociferously but he has never been online and threatened or abused anybody. Do you want him out of the club for his footballing ability or his stance on the poppy?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2021 11:48:40 GMT
I am ashamed of the abuse on here at the moment. I would agree he is a limited footballer who wasn't needed at the club. However his commitment has never been in question. He hasn't been a Jese, N'diaye or any other who came for the money but not to commit to the club. I guess most people on here have missed the issue totally. McLean is not questioning the abuse he gets as a footballer, he accepts that. He is questioning the abuse he and his family including 3 very young children get for being Irish which is racist abuse. There is no excuse for the treatment he and even more his wife gets. He even says he has no hatred for the English, loves the country and people, wouldn't be here if he didn't. I can see why people get upset about the poppy but he's not the only player not to wear one but has gone to the trouble to explain why which if you bother to read it, for me is a genuine reason. I have said before that from being a simple show of support the poppy has become a big show of look at me, aren't I great? If you buy a poppy to genuinely remember those who sacrificed their lives I would like to ask how many of you bought one last November when we were in lockdown. I admit I didn't and I'm ashamed that I didn't. How many of you bought an enamel pin which you dig out every year? If McLean wore a poppy it would be hypocritical as he would only be doing it to go along with the masses rather than what he feels. At least he has the integrity to stand by his beliefs. Nobody should suffer abuse or threats because of what they feel or believe. We all have a right to our opinion. The name calling on here of fans who have shown some support for McLean is disgusting in the same way. We have a right to have different views and although those views can be open to debate they should never lead to abuse. You should be able to give reasons to support your opinions and McLean has done this throughout his career, sometimes too vociferously but he has never been online and threatened or abused anybody. Do you want him out of the club for his footballing ability or his stance on the poppy? His name is McClean
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Post by wuzza on Feb 17, 2021 11:50:30 GMT
I am ashamed of the abuse on here at the moment. I would agree he is a limited footballer who wasn't needed at the club. However his commitment has never been in question. He hasn't been a Jese, N'diaye or any other who came for the money but not to commit to the club. I guess most people on here have missed the issue totally. McLean is not questioning the abuse he gets as a footballer, he accepts that. He is questioning the abuse he and his family including 3 very young children get for being Irish which is racist abuse. There is no excuse for the treatment he and even more his wife gets. He even says he has no hatred for the English, loves the country and people, wouldn't be here if he didn't. I can see why people get upset about the poppy but he's not the only player not to wear one but has gone to the trouble to explain why which if you bother to read it, for me is a genuine reason. I have said before that from being a simple show of support the poppy has become a big show of look at me, aren't I great? If you buy a poppy to genuinely remember those who sacrificed their lives I would like to ask how many of you bought one last November when we were in lockdown. I admit I didn't and I'm ashamed that I didn't. How many of you bought an enamel pin which you dig out every year? If McLean wore a poppy it would be hypocritical as he would only be doing it to go along with the masses rather than what he feels. At least he has the integrity to stand by his beliefs. Nobody should suffer abuse or threats because of what they feel or believe. We all have a right to our opinion. The name calling on here of fans who have shown some support for McLean is disgusting in the same way. We have a right to have different views and although those views can be open to debate they should never lead to abuse. You should be able to give reasons to support your opinions and McLean has done this throughout his career, sometimes too vociferously but he has never been online and threatened or abused anybody. Do you want him out of the club for his footballing ability or his stance on the poppy? Your post will sadly register not one jot with those that indulge in this stance and activity - it’s a source of pride for them.
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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 17, 2021 11:56:54 GMT
I am ashamed of the abuse on here at the moment. I would agree he is a limited footballer who wasn't needed at the club. However his commitment has never been in question. He hasn't been a Jese, N'diaye or any other who came for the money but not to commit to the club. I guess most people on here have missed the issue totally. McLean is not questioning the abuse he gets as a footballer, he accepts that. He is questioning the abuse he and his family including 3 very young children get for being Irish which is racist abuse. There is no excuse for the treatment he and even more his wife gets. He even says he has no hatred for the English, loves the country and people, wouldn't be here if he didn't. I can see why people get upset about the poppy but he's not the only player not to wear one but has gone to the trouble to explain why which if you bother to read it, for me is a genuine reason. I have said before that from being a simple show of support the poppy has become a big show of look at me, aren't I great? If you buy a poppy to genuinely remember those who sacrificed their lives I would like to ask how many of you bought one last November when we were in lockdown. I admit I didn't and I'm ashamed that I didn't. How many of you bought an enamel pin which you dig out every year? If McLean wore a poppy it would be hypocritical as he would only be doing it to go along with the masses rather than what he feels. At least he has the integrity to stand by his beliefs. Nobody should suffer abuse or threats because of what they feel or believe. We all have a right to our opinion. The name calling on here of fans who have shown some support for McLean is disgusting in the same way. We have a right to have different views and although those views can be open to debate they should never lead to abuse. You should be able to give reasons to support your opinions and McLean has done this throughout his career, sometimes too vociferously but he has never been online and threatened or abused anybody. Do you want him out of the club for his footballing ability or his stance on the poppy? His name is McClean Sorry I will edit it. It's quite sad if you pick up that as the most important thing though.
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Post by salfordstokie on Feb 17, 2021 12:03:34 GMT
Yes it was, a lot of what McClean puts on social media is a reaction to the abuse he receives. He doesn't support terrorism and nor does he hate Britain. But if someone is being spat at in public, receving death threats (not only to themselves but also their family) and is doing so on a daily basis, then quite frankly I can forgive the odd misguided instagram post. To try and argue that it is somehow his own fault that he is receiving this abuse is ridiculous in my opinion. View Attachment Here he is with a bloke who clearly wasn't a terrorist. The queen shook his hand. Is she a terrorist??
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 17, 2021 12:05:27 GMT
I am ashamed of the abuse on here at the moment. I would agree he is a limited footballer who wasn't needed at the club. However his commitment has never been in question. He hasn't been a Jese, N'diaye or any other who came for the money but not to commit to the club. I guess most people on here have missed the issue totally. McClean is not questioning the abuse he gets as a footballer, he accepts that. He is questioning the abuse he and his family including 3 very young children get for being Irish which is racist abuse. There is no excuse for the treatment he and even more his wife gets. He even says he has no hatred for the English, loves the country and people, wouldn't be here if he didn't. I can see why people get upset about the poppy but he's not the only player not to wear one but has gone to the trouble to explain why which if you bother to read it, for me is a genuine reason. I have said before that from being a simple show of support the poppy has become a big show of look at me, aren't I great? If you buy a poppy to genuinely remember those who sacrificed their lives I would like to ask how many of you bought one last November when we were in lockdown. I admit I didn't and I'm ashamed that I didn't. How many of you bought an enamel pin which you dig out every year? If McClean wore a poppy it would be hypocritical as he would only be doing it to go along with the masses rather than what he feels. At least he has the integrity to stand by his beliefs. Nobody should suffer abuse or threats because of what they feel or believe. We all have a right to our opinion. The name calling on here of fans who have shown some support for McClean is disgusting in the same way. We have a right to have different views and although those views can be open to debate they should never lead to abuse. You should be able to give reasons to support your opinions and McClean has done this throughout his career, sometimes too vociferously but he has never been online and threatened or abused anybody. Do you want him out of the club for his footballing ability or his stance on the poppy? Who is abusing him for being Irish on here ? name calling of fans on here where ? never wanted him here don't want him here he's a terrible footballer plus he has brought the name of the club into disrepute on more than one occasion, controversy follows him everywhere but obviously none of that is down to him.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2021 12:05:58 GMT
Sorry I will edit it. It's quite sad if you pick up that as the most important thing though. Thank you
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 17, 2021 12:06:46 GMT
The queen shook his hand. Is she a terrorist?? Of course she is, did she turn her back on the Union Jack as well ?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2021 12:09:25 GMT
The queen shook his hand. Is she a terrorist?? McGuinness could shake the Queen's hand but McClean couldn't even face the flag while the anthem was being played. McGuinness may of been responsible for the murder of hundreds of innocent people during the troubles but he was prepared to move on.
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Post by RAF on Feb 17, 2021 12:13:13 GMT
The queen shook his hand. Is she a terrorist?? My god man, and you have the temerity to question my intelligence? H
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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 17, 2021 12:18:18 GMT
I am ashamed of the abuse on here at the moment. I would agree he is a limited footballer who wasn't needed at the club. However his commitment has never been in question. He hasn't been a Jese, N'diaye or any other who came for the money but not to commit to the club. I guess most people on here have missed the issue totally. McLean is not questioning the abuse he gets as a footballer, he accepts that. He is questioning the abuse he and his family including 3 very young children get for being Irish which is racist abuse. There is no excuse for the treatment he and even more his wife gets. He even says he has no hatred for the English, loves the country and people, wouldn't be here if he didn't. I can see why people get upset about the poppy but he's not the only player not to wear one but has gone to the trouble to explain why which if you bother to read it, for me is a genuine reason. I have said before that from being a simple show of support the poppy has become a big show of look at me, aren't I great? If you buy a poppy to genuinely remember those who sacrificed their lives I would like to ask how many of you bought one last November when we were in lockdown. I admit I didn't and I'm ashamed that I didn't. How many of you bought an enamel pin which you dig out every year? If McLean wore a poppy it would be hypocritical as he would only be doing it to go along with the masses rather than what he feels. At least he has the integrity to stand by his beliefs. Nobody should suffer abuse or threats because of what they feel or believe. We all have a right to our opinion. The name calling on here of fans who have shown some support for McLean is disgusting in the same way. We have a right to have different views and although those views can be open to debate they should never lead to abuse. You should be able to give reasons to support your opinions and McLean has done this throughout his career, sometimes too vociferously but he has never been online and threatened or abused anybody. Do you want him out of the club for his footballing ability or his stance on the poppy? Your post will sadly register not one jot with those that indulge in this stance and activity - it’s a source of pride for them. I live in hope!
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Post by RAF on Feb 17, 2021 12:19:18 GMT
I am ashamed of the abuse on here at the moment. I would agree he is a limited footballer who wasn't needed at the club. However his commitment has never been in question. He hasn't been a Jese, N'diaye or any other who came for the money but not to commit to the club. I guess most people on here have missed the issue totally. McClean is not questioning the abuse he gets as a footballer, he accepts that. He is questioning the abuse he and his family including 3 very young children get for being Irish which is racist abuse. There is no excuse for the treatment he and even more his wife gets. He even says he has no hatred for the English, loves the country and people, wouldn't be here if he didn't. I can see why people get upset about the poppy but he's not the only player not to wear one but has gone to the trouble to explain why which if you bother to read it, for me is a genuine reason. I have said before that from being a simple show of support the poppy has become a big show of look at me, aren't I great? If you buy a poppy to genuinely remember those who sacrificed their lives I would like to ask how many of you bought one last November when we were in lockdown. I admit I didn't and I'm ashamed that I didn't. How many of you bought an enamel pin which you dig out every year? If McClean wore a poppy it would be hypocritical as he would only be doing it to go along with the masses rather than what he feels. At least he has the integrity to stand by his beliefs. Nobody should suffer abuse or threats because of what they feel or believe. We all have a right to our opinion. The name calling on here of fans who have shown some support for McClean is disgusting in the same way. We have a right to have different views and although those views can be open to debate they should never lead to abuse. You should be able to give reasons to support your opinions and McClean has done this throughout his career, sometimes too vociferously but he has never been online and threatened or abused anybody. Do you want him out of the club for his footballing ability or his stance on the poppy? I don't think one person on here has condoned any of the threats to him or his family have they? To call him a shit footballer and a bit thick is not vile abuse. It's always amazed me how 'Freedom of Speech' is so often banded around until it becomes something that someone doesn't agree with. And I'm not talking about death threats or racial abuse either. Although he did call some of our supporters cunts which is ok apparently? H
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Post by salfordstokie on Feb 17, 2021 12:22:46 GMT
The queen shook his hand. Is she a terrorist?? My god man, and you have the temerity to question my intelligence? H It was a rhetorical question.
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Post by wuzza on Feb 17, 2021 12:23:47 GMT
Your post will sadly register not one jot with those that indulge in this stance and activity - it’s a source of pride for them. I live in hope! Good luck but it’s only getting worse - on this message board in particular and in the world in general 🙁
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Post by RAF on Feb 17, 2021 12:27:13 GMT
My god man, and you have the temerity to question my intelligence? H It was a rhetorical question. Of course it was. H
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Post by salfordstokie on Feb 17, 2021 12:27:34 GMT
The queen shook his hand. Is she a terrorist?? McGuinness could shake the Queen's hand but McClean couldn't even face the flag while the anthem was being played. McGuinness may of been responsible for the murder of hundreds of innocent people during the troubles but he was prepared to move on. McClean has every right to turn away from the flag. That his right and does not justify the level of abuse he receives. He is also from Derry, so I dont blame him one iota for the stance he takes on certain issues.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 17, 2021 12:34:39 GMT
I am ashamed of the abuse on here at the moment. I would agree he is a limited footballer who wasn't needed at the club. However his commitment has never been in question. He hasn't been a Jese, N'diaye or any other who came for the money but not to commit to the club. I guess most people on here have missed the issue totally. McClean is not questioning the abuse he gets as a footballer, he accepts that. He is questioning the abuse he and his family including 3 very young children get for being Irish which is racist abuse. There is no excuse for the treatment he and even more his wife gets. He even says he has no hatred for the English, loves the country and people, wouldn't be here if he didn't. I can see why people get upset about the poppy but he's not the only player not to wear one but has gone to the trouble to explain why which if you bother to read it, for me is a genuine reason. I have said before that from being a simple show of support the poppy has become a big show of look at me, aren't I great? If you buy a poppy to genuinely remember those who sacrificed their lives I would like to ask how many of you bought one last November when we were in lockdown. I admit I didn't and I'm ashamed that I didn't. How many of you bought an enamel pin which you dig out every year? If McClean wore a poppy it would be hypocritical as he would only be doing it to go along with the masses rather than what he feels. At least he has the integrity to stand by his beliefs. Nobody should suffer abuse or threats because of what they feel or believe. We all have a right to our opinion. The name calling on here of fans who have shown some support for McClean is disgusting in the same way. We have a right to have different views and although those views can be open to debate they should never lead to abuse. You should be able to give reasons to support your opinions and McClean has done this throughout his career, sometimes too vociferously but he has never been online and threatened or abused anybody. Do you want him out of the club for his footballing ability or his stance on the poppy? [br Some really good points well made. Let's also not forget he was player of the year last season, so I think some of the criticism he receives on a football level is unfair. Sadly, I think people want him gone largely because of the poppy issue. He had about 4/5 good games last season. Player of the season last season should have been scrapped as it was like a team of bald bloke fighting over a comb. He's an atrocious footballer.
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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 17, 2021 12:45:07 GMT
Who is abusing him for being Irish on here ? name calling of fans on here where ? never wanted him here don't want him here he's a terrible footballer plus he has brought the name of the club into disrepute on more than one occasion, controversy follows him everywhere but obviously none of that is down to him. Well telling him to get out of the club in response to an interview he has done about the abuse he receives for being Irish tends to suggest that. He has said that he can accept abuse about his football. There are several examples on the last few pages of insults being hurled at other posters because they express a different opinion. In my opinion he has not brought the clubs name into disrepute. They have handled both his silly tweets which have caused outrage and the abuse he receives with integrity, punishing him when necessary but supporting him over the abuse and threats. They have come out of it well. Are you saying that he should keep quiet about his views and then he wouldn't be threatened? Keeping quiet and accepting abuse without comment is cowardly. As I said everybody should be allowed to express their opinion and beliefs and justify them without receiving abuse.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2021 12:51:01 GMT
McGuinness could shake the Queen's hand but McClean couldn't even face the flag while the anthem was being played. McGuinness may of been responsible for the murder of hundreds of innocent people during the troubles but he was prepared to move on. McClean has every right to turn away from the flag. That his right and does not justify the level of abuse he receives. He is also from Derry, so I dont blame him one iota for the stance he takes on certain issues. Where is Martin McGuinness from? Turning his back on the flag was unnecessary, he knew he was going to get abuse for it and he gets to play the brave republican hero again. Personally I couldn't give a shit, the anthem was only played because West Brom were playing in some mid West shit hole where they go for all that, I don't think it should be played. I am not justifying any abuse I'm saying there's some nutters out there and McClean keeps giving them ammunition. The abuse he gets is not the same as black footballers being abused just for the colour of their skin.
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Post by RAF on Feb 17, 2021 12:57:00 GMT
Who is abusing him for being Irish on here ? name calling of fans on here where ? never wanted him here don't want him here he's a terrible footballer plus he has brought the name of the club into disrepute on more than one occasion, controversy follows him everywhere but obviously none of that is down to him. Well telling him to get out of the club in response to an interview he has done about the abuse he receives for being Irish tends to suggest that. He has said that he can accept abuse about his football. There are several examples on the last few pages of insults being hurled at other posters because they express a different opinion. In my opinion he has not brought the clubs name into disrepute. They have handled both his silly tweets which have caused outrage and the abuse he receives with integrity, punishing him when necessary but supporting him over the abuse and threats. They have come out of it well. Are you saying that he should keep quiet about his views and then he wouldn't be threatened? Keeping quiet and accepting abuse without comment is cowardly. As I said everybody should be allowed to express their opinion and beliefs and justify them without receiving abuse. If he's not brought the clubs name into disrepute why has he been fined at least twice? They might be silly little tweets and a little break of covid rules to you, but to some it is obviously more. It's ok though because he does a bit for charity! H
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Post by carruthers1on1 on Feb 17, 2021 13:34:54 GMT
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 17, 2021 13:58:53 GMT
Who is abusing him for being Irish on here ? name calling of fans on here where ? never wanted him here don't want him here he's a terrible footballer plus he has brought the name of the club into disrepute on more than one occasion, controversy follows him everywhere but obviously none of that is down to him. Well telling him to get out of the club in response to an interview he has done about the abuse he receives for being Irish tends to suggest that. He has said that he can accept abuse about his football. There are several examples on the last few pages of insults being hurled at other posters because they express a different opinion. In my opinion he has not brought the clubs name into disrepute. They have handled both his silly tweets which have caused outrage and the abuse he receives with integrity, punishing him when necessary but supporting him over the abuse and threats. They have come out of it well. Are you saying that he should keep quiet about his views and then he wouldn't be threatened? Keeping quiet and accepting abuse without comment is cowardly. As I said everybody should be allowed to express their opinion and beliefs and justify them without receiving abuse. Where has anyone abused him for being Irish on here ?, he has been fined for bringing the club into disrespect at least twice, the club have had no option but to deal with the consequences of his stupidity plus breaking the covid rules, I have no problem with him expressing his views I don't agree with many of them, however if he expresses those views on the social media platforms he does he should expect negative responses from the trogs that frequent them. The sooner he is gone from our club the better.
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Post by daisydog on Feb 17, 2021 14:07:20 GMT
Long time since I've been on here but still amazed that anyone is still responding to crapslinger, however it's good to see how few are jumping on the hate wagon. A heartening thing to see on this board in these dark times.
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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 17, 2021 14:34:31 GMT
Where has anyone abused him for being Irish on here ?, he has been fined for bringing the club into disrespect at least twice, the club have had no option but to deal with the consequences of his stupidity plus breaking the covid rules, I have no problem with him expressing his views I don't agree with many of them, however if he expresses those views on the social media platforms he does he should expect negative responses from the trogs that frequent them. The sooner he is gone from our club the better.
My point is that reacting to the story about the abuse in the way fans have looks as if he is not wanted at the club for being Irish or for moaing about abuse. It doesn't have to be said for an implication to be made. The club dealt with his tweets, he was able to explain them, little joke, photo from earlier in the year, he apologised, end of story. He accepts that he leaves himself open to negative responses by posting and will accept them. My main point which you don't seem to get is that yes he is opening himself to some abuse but he should be able to express an opinion like anyone else without having to suffer very real threats. Apart from the two tweets mentioned I am not aware of any other similar stories apart from expressing his wish not to wear a poppy. For that he has received threats and abuse for 9 years with no consequence or punishment for those people who have made them. He has not threatened anyone ever, just expressed an opinion. Worse than the abuse he receives though is the effect it has on his wife and children. Imagine somebody told you they'd be watching you with a gun or had followed you home, knew where you lived and would be setting your property on fire with your wife and children inside or that they wanted your children dead. Slightly worse than what he has posted? and certainly makes his aberrations seem silly. To me the Fulham fan (if he was) brought the name of that club into disrepute just as much. I don't disagree with thinking we don't need him at the club for what he brings to the team but it would seem that MON does so until his contract is up I would hope we can continue as a club to support him and that includes us fans. There are far worse players still contracted to us.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Feb 17, 2021 15:02:39 GMT
I think the best people to answer your question are David Cameron and Lord Saville www.bbc.co.uk/news/10322295McLean's instagram post was in my view a bad error of judgement, but it was self-parody not glorifying terrorism Call me Dave and Jimmy Saville no thanks, in my view he was glorifying terrorism not self parody, would you post that with your kids sitting in front of you on social media ? he is welcome to his beliefs no problem at all with that, however if you are stupid enough to post that you should expect a negative response especially with the mindless goons that frequent social media platforms such an instagram, twatter and faceless fcuk, he knows what he is doing posting stuff like that he knows he will get responses, if you play with fire you are going to get burnt (not literally) The "Jimmy" Saville comment is just a bit silly. This was a judicial enquiry by a High Court judge, Lord Saville, into what happened as a result of which the Prime Minister on behalf of the country rightly issued an apology for what the British Army did on that day. The abuse he has received long pre-dated the self-parody instagram post. The abuse caused the post, not the other way round. As I said above, it was an ill-judged post which he recognised and for which he apologised and was fined by the Club. It was ill-judged both because it was an uncomfortable and inappropriate image and because it gave people who don't like his views on the irish question the opportunity to falsely claim that he supports or glorifies terrorism. You have referred to the way he and his wife bring up their children. You are not is a position to comment on that. Given the financial and other support he has given to good causes in both North Staffordshire and his home City during Covid and before, I think in many respects he will be a good role model for his children.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Feb 17, 2021 15:18:31 GMT
McClean has every right to turn away from the flag. That his right and does not justify the level of abuse he receives. He is also from Derry, so I dont blame him one iota for the stance he takes on certain issues. Where is Martin McGuinness from? Turning his back on the flag was unnecessary, he knew he was going to get abuse for it and he gets to play the brave republican hero again. Personally I couldn't give a shit, the anthem was only played because West Brom were playing in some mid West shit hole where they go for all that, I don't think it should be played. I am not justifying any abuse I'm saying there's some nutters out there and McClean keeps giving them ammunition. The abuse he gets is not the same as black footballers being abused just for the colour of their skin. Actually he didn't turn his back on the flag or anything else. He remained in the line facing the main stand, whilst the other players turned 90 degrees to face to the stars and stripes and I assume but am not sure the Union flag, whilst anthems were played. This was a friendly club game in the USA in which WBA were not representing GB. I agree with you that neither the anthem nor the Union flag if it was there were appropriate on that occasion. If he felt strongly enough about it to stand quietly without turning to face a flag, I think he has that right without receiving abuse for doing so.
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Post by wagsastokie on Feb 17, 2021 15:22:24 GMT
McGuinness could shake the Queen's hand but McClean couldn't even face the flag while the anthem was being played. McGuinness may of been responsible for the murder of hundreds of innocent people during the troubles but he was prepared to move on. McClean has every right to turn away from the flag. That his right and does not justify the level of abuse he receives. He is also from Derry, so I dont blame him one iota for the stance he takes on certain issues. Londonderry
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Post by wagsastokie on Feb 17, 2021 15:29:29 GMT
I am ashamed of the abuse on here at the moment. I would agree he is a limited footballer who wasn't needed at the club. However his commitment has never been in question. He hasn't been a Jese, N'diaye or any other who came for the money but not to commit to the club. I guess most people on here have missed the issue totally. McClean is not questioning the abuse he gets as a footballer, he accepts that. He is questioning the abuse he and his family including 3 very young children get for being Irish which is racist abuse. There is no excuse for the treatment he and even more his wife gets. He even says he has no hatred for the English, loves the country and people, wouldn't be here if he didn't. I can see why people get upset about the poppy but he's not the only player not to wear one but has gone to the trouble to explain why which if you bother to read it, for me is a genuine reason. I have said before that from being a simple show of support the poppy has become a big show of look at me, aren't I great? If you buy a poppy to genuinely remember those who sacrificed their lives I would like to ask how many of you bought one last November when we were in lockdown. I admit I didn't and I'm ashamed that I didn't. How many of you bought an enamel pin which you dig out every year? If McClean wore a poppy it would be hypocritical as he would only be doing it to go along with the masses rather than what he feels. At least he has the integrity to stand by his beliefs. Nobody should suffer abuse or threats because of what they feel or believe. We all have a right to our opinion. The name calling on here of fans who have shown some support for McClean is disgusting in the same way. We have a right to have different views and although those views can be open to debate they should never lead to abuse. You should be able to give reasons to support your opinions and McClean has done this throughout his career, sometimes too vociferously but he has never been online and threatened or abused anybody. Do you want him out of the club for his footballing ability or his stance on the poppy? Can you come up with examples of where people have been racist to McClean Racism has sod all to do with people’s objections to McClean Some people rightly find his stance on the murdering of innocent men women and children by cowardly bastards A little hard to take
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Feb 17, 2021 15:35:35 GMT
McClean has every right to turn away from the flag. That his right and does not justify the level of abuse he receives. He is also from Derry, so I dont blame him one iota for the stance he takes on certain issues. Londonderry Well the local Council calls it Derry www.derrystrabane.com/
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Feb 17, 2021 15:37:31 GMT
I am ashamed of the abuse on here at the moment. I would agree he is a limited footballer who wasn't needed at the club. However his commitment has never been in question. He hasn't been a Jese, N'diaye or any other who came for the money but not to commit to the club. I guess most people on here have missed the issue totally. McClean is not questioning the abuse he gets as a footballer, he accepts that. He is questioning the abuse he and his family including 3 very young children get for being Irish which is racist abuse. There is no excuse for the treatment he and even more his wife gets. He even says he has no hatred for the English, loves the country and people, wouldn't be here if he didn't. I can see why people get upset about the poppy but he's not the only player not to wear one but has gone to the trouble to explain why which if you bother to read it, for me is a genuine reason. I have said before that from being a simple show of support the poppy has become a big show of look at me, aren't I great? If you buy a poppy to genuinely remember those who sacrificed their lives I would like to ask how many of you bought one last November when we were in lockdown. I admit I didn't and I'm ashamed that I didn't. How many of you bought an enamel pin which you dig out every year? If McClean wore a poppy it would be hypocritical as he would only be doing it to go along with the masses rather than what he feels. At least he has the integrity to stand by his beliefs. Nobody should suffer abuse or threats because of what they feel or believe. We all have a right to our opinion. The name calling on here of fans who have shown some support for McClean is disgusting in the same way. We have a right to have different views and although those views can be open to debate they should never lead to abuse. You should be able to give reasons to support your opinions and McClean has done this throughout his career, sometimes too vociferously but he has never been online and threatened or abused anybody. Do you want him out of the club for his footballing ability or his stance on the poppy? Can you come up with examples of where people have been racist to McClean Racism has sod all to do with people’s objections to McClean Some people rightly find his stance on the murdering of innocent men women and children by cowardly bastards A little hard to take What stance on the murdering of innocent men women and children is that ?
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