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Post by crapslinger on Jul 1, 2020 10:05:27 GMT
Interesting in his after match interview he alluded to issues in the dressing room that are beyond his control until the season ends and he can sort then out himself Are you saying he isn't in full control of the players ? who is interfering in the daily running of the team, they have come back from the enforced break they look unfit, demotivated and disinterested has no one been keeping a check on them FFS
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 1, 2020 10:08:27 GMT
Be has no leader on the pitch or dressing room that's why Ryan is being rushed back playing in pain. I seem to remember being told we bought a team of captains 18mo ago. Once they cross that white line no one has a clue. Young hungry athletic players who would run through a brick wall for the club first signing Sam Fecking Vokes closely followed by Stephen fucking Ward, are the "managers" signing these players or someone else ?
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Post by werrington on Jul 1, 2020 10:15:27 GMT
Interesting in his after match interview he alluded to issues in the dressing room that are beyond his control until the season ends and he can sort then out himself Are you saying he isn't in full control of the players ? who is interfering in the daily running of the team, they have come back from the enforced break they look unfit, demotivated and disinterested has no one been keeping a check on them FFS I’m saying nothing of the sort mate, I’m just relaying what he said
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2020 10:24:15 GMT
When he was Northern Ireland manager his record in his first 19 games was W1 D7 L11, he turned it round within 2 years and his final record was W26 D18 L28. Phenomenal turnaround in fairness.
Unfortunately club football doesn't allow you to rebuild without the risk of relegation, but if the worst happens we've got to keep him and allow that to happen. We can't keep sleepwalking from one manager to another we'll become untouchable to anyone worth their salt.
If he has lost the dressing room, then for me that's on the players and not him, I'm frankly staggered he got this shower out of the relegation zone in the first place.
He's made some very questionable decisions, and he's got probably the biggest challenge in his managerial career in these next 6 games, but I still back him to squeeze enough out of these frauds to get us over the line......
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Post by Pirate on Jul 1, 2020 10:26:19 GMT
Going to have a very short summer break to put all this right this time around ( 3 or 4 weeks? ), whatever division we find ourselves in.
Would it be safe to assume they will go virtually straight from season end to pre-season?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2020 10:29:59 GMT
When he was Northern Ireland manager his record in his first 19 games was W1 D7 L11, he turned it round within 2 years and his final record was W26 D18 L28. Phenomenal turnaround in fairness. Unfortunately club football doesn't allow you to rebuild without the risk of relegation, but if the worst happens we've got to keep him and allow that to happen. We can't keep sleepwalking from one manager to another we'll become untouchable to anyone worth their salt. If he has lost the dressing room, then for me that's on the players and not him, I'm frankly staggered he got this shower out of the relegation zone in the first place. He's made some very questionable decisions, and he's got probably the biggest challenge in his managerial career in these next 6 games, but I still back him to squeeze enough out of these frauds to get us over the line...... I've been quite negative over the last few games based on what I've seen and perceived from that. How on earth do you see him eeking enough out of this lot from here? I'd be over the moon if he could but I'm struggling.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2020 10:32:22 GMT
When he was Northern Ireland manager his record in his first 19 games was W1 D7 L11, he turned it round within 2 years and his final record was W26 D18 L28. Phenomenal turnaround in fairness. Unfortunately club football doesn't allow you to rebuild without the risk of relegation, but if the worst happens we've got to keep him and allow that to happen. We can't keep sleepwalking from one manager to another we'll become untouchable to anyone worth their salt. If he has lost the dressing room, then for me that's on the players and not him, I'm frankly staggered he got this shower out of the relegation zone in the first place. He's made some very questionable decisions, and he's got probably the biggest challenge in his managerial career in these next 6 games, but I still back him to squeeze enough out of these frauds to get us over the line...... I've been quite negative over the last few games based on what I've seen and perceived from that. How on earth do you see him eeking enough out of this lot from here? I'd be over the moon if he could but I'm struggling. I came away from Hull after 3 defeats on the bounce, and away from QPR after a couple of hammerings at Loftus Road and Pride Park and thought exactly the same thing. I'm hoping (and it is hope and nothing else) he can work his magic on this lot again.........
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Post by dutchstokie on Jul 1, 2020 10:33:51 GMT
I’ll let one of the ITK spill mate. But some of the ongoings is bizarre. Not so much oneil lost the dressing room it seems we’ve lost control of the club altogether Come on Clyde lad...dish the dirt ! We wont say anything...HONEST !!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2020 10:43:57 GMT
I've been quite negative over the last few games based on what I've seen and perceived from that. How on earth do you see him eeking enough out of this lot from here? I'd be over the moon if he could but I'm struggling. I came away from Hull after 3 defeats on the bounce, and away from QPR after a couple of hammerings at Loftus Road and Pride Park and thought exactly the same thing. I'm hoping (and it is hope and nothing else) he can work his magic on this lot again......... I hope you're right mate but this feels a bit different for me. 'I hope he proves me wrong'
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 1, 2020 10:45:32 GMT
Are you saying he isn't in full control of the players ? who is interfering in the daily running of the team, they have come back from the enforced break they look unfit, demotivated and disinterested has no one been keeping a check on them FFS I’m saying nothing of the sort mate, I’m just relaying what he said Apologies my mistake, I wonder what he could mean by that he's not the first of our recent managers to come out with such a strange comment. Are you feeling better by the way ?
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Post by werrington on Jul 1, 2020 11:04:40 GMT
I’m saying nothing of the sort mate, I’m just relaying what he said Apologies my mistake, I wonder what he could mean by that he's not the first of our recent managers to come out with such a strange comment. Are you feeling better by the way ? 👍
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Post by iglugluk on Jul 1, 2020 11:22:33 GMT
Worrying times. Having seen MoN interview it's clear he doesn't think that many in the group of players we have even care about the results they're 'achieving'. MoN still has my belief and comes across like a proper manager so I can only assume his odd team choices of late have been out of a lack of options given the dross he has at his disposal. January's transfer window was another odd one though it has to be said and as usual it's clear as mud as to what went on and why decisions were made that appear shortsighted and poor once again.. Strikingly poor decisions that may lead a well funded club owned by billionaire local owners to fall another division.. it's hard to fathom. Something is obviously deeply wrong within the club added to the apparent fact that the group of players we have are feckless wasters almost to a man it seems. I absolutely do not see this as a problem generated by MoN but boy has he got a difficult task laid out before him. We can only hope he's got a few hats and rabbits lying around, it seems.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2020 11:24:56 GMT
I’ll let one of the ITK spill mate. But some of the ongoings is bizarre. Not so much oneil lost the dressing room it seems we’ve lost control of the club altogether Come on Clyde lad...dish the dirt ! We wont say anything...HONEST !!!! It’s slowly coming out today mate. Diouf signed his last week. The fee he is getting is absurd!! 4 week contract. How it’s going on is beyond me. The club is rotten
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Post by citynickscfc on Jul 1, 2020 12:40:29 GMT
Come on Clyde lad...dish the dirt ! We wont say anything...HONEST !!!! It’s slowly coming out today mate. Diouf signed his last week. The fee he is getting is absurd!! 4 week contract. How it’s going on is beyond me. The club is rotten It's an extension not a renegotiation. So the money he gets is the same as he was getting. Yes, too much but he's a relative success from the prem era on another long contract and again not replaced by the amazing "process". Why is scholes still at our club?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2020 12:45:50 GMT
Come on Clyde lad...dish the dirt ! We wont say anything...HONEST !!!! It’s slowly coming out today mate. Diouf signed his last week. The fee he is getting is absurd!! 4 week contract. How it’s going on is beyond me. The club is rotten We might just need him. The last time he was given a proper chance under O'Neill he scored the winning goal, but since then it's just been cameos. One thing, however, you could never accuse Diouf of is lack of effort. Unlike some that play in his positions.
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Post by dutchstokie on Jul 1, 2020 12:49:42 GMT
Come on Clyde lad...dish the dirt ! We wont say anything...HONEST !!!! It’s slowly coming out today mate. Diouf signed his last week. The fee he is getting is absurd!! 4 week contract. How it’s going on is beyond me. The club is rotten
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Post by jimigoodwinsbeard on Jul 1, 2020 16:32:59 GMT
We are going on about his team selections but bear in mind he is trying to pick 11 players who actually want to play for this club, when in fact there is only about 3 of them at the most in the whole squad who have any remote interest in being on that pitch. His hands are tied. Are his hands tied into playing collins at RB? Or ince? Or playing 1 up front? Or playing anyone other than tymon at lback? He is not totally blameless.
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Post by jimigoodwinsbeard on Jul 1, 2020 16:36:39 GMT
You can't leave it there mate! No way! It will be coming out today I should imagine regarding the contracts. The money given to Diouf is staggering! Let’s just say premiership players don’t receive what Diouf has been given four 4 weeks work Thats not dioufs fault though. Maybe if we'd have used diouf more in the sub role that Gregory seems to always play we may not be in as much shit. I'd rather diouf coming off bench than Gregory every day of the week. Thats how bad its got.
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Post by jimigoodwinsbeard on Jul 1, 2020 16:37:52 GMT
Come on Clyde lad...dish the dirt ! We wont say anything...HONEST !!!! It’s slowly coming out today mate. Diouf signed his last week. The fee he is getting is absurd!! 4 week contract. How it’s going on is beyond me. The club is rotten Is ward the other?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2020 17:17:52 GMT
It’s slowly coming out today mate. Diouf signed his last week. The fee he is getting is absurd!! 4 week contract. How it’s going on is beyond me. The club is rotten Is ward the other? Wards is 4 weeks but his is about half of what Diouf is getting
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Post by neddy on Jul 1, 2020 17:33:59 GMT
Wards is 4 weeks but his is about half of what Diouf is getting Does it really matter so long as we stay up if possible who knows we could have major injuries in 6 games. So I don’t blame them for holding on to those two however crap Ward is? If we did get more injuries people on here would be baying for blood if we hadnt secured them?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jul 1, 2020 17:50:58 GMT
You can't leave it there mate! No way! It will be coming out today I should imagine regarding the contracts. The money given to Diouf is staggering! Let’s just say premiership players don’t receive what Diouf has been given four 4 weeks work Why would they pay him more than his original contract to stay on for 1 month when he's only going to be a bit part player anyway? His contract has (more than likely) been extended on existing terms until the season finishes. There is no problem with that at all. Same for ward in reality. Federici didn't want the commute as no3 keeper. He had pretty much agreed to leave and not play again pre lockdown. These silly rumours help no one.
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Post by gingerninja on Jul 1, 2020 17:55:52 GMT
I agree Dave, squabbling over titbits is doing nobody any favours, but certainly something appears to have upset the applecart, during or after lockdown..What on earth is thing in the dressing room which all recent managers have alluded to?. All the premier prima Donna's are no longer at the club?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2020 18:22:45 GMT
One of the most over used cliches in football. We had fantastic home form before lockdown ...two games later and this
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Post by napperwainwright on Jul 1, 2020 18:28:13 GMT
I keep hearing this bandied about on here, I genuinely don't know, but I see nothing wrong in his post match comments. What else could he say, gloss it up and he's accused of being delusional, say it like we all saw it and he is slaughtered for that. He's an honest man and I think long term he will be very good for us.. Losing this dressing room isn't such a bad idea. Preferably lose the gutless wasters down some sinkhole.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 1, 2020 18:32:11 GMT
I think he has lost the dressing room unfortunately or there’s some kind of wife swapping shite going on. One things for sure if O’Neill stays and I hope he does no matter what division we are in, the dressing room should look very different come next season.
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Post by abcd1234 on Jul 1, 2020 19:06:56 GMT
When are these players going to start to take responsibility! Most of our current players have all played under Rowett, Jones, and MON. All of these managers had good track records before they came here, even Rowett and Jones continue to do well after Stoke.
No improvement in the team after three managers tells me one thing, it's the players which are the problem.
No matter how many managers we get in, or which team we pick, we will continue to do bad because a big group of players simply do not care.
I've heard things in the media about some of the Stoke players having big egos and thinking they're above the manager. It's not rocket science to point out which players these are.
It's a complete disgrace. I'm not going to fall into this trap of thinking it's the managers fault for the third time. I'm not going to sympathise with these players anymore. I've had enough.
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Post by greenstokie on Jul 1, 2020 19:11:40 GMT
One of the most over used cliches in football. We had fantastic home form before lockdown ...two games later and this Clearly the fans getting at our own players was also having some effect, forcing some of them to make a modicum of effort at home, whereas away; much less so. And now with no home fans much the same. It's hard to see where a result of any sort is coming now. They've been giving the right kind of bollicking, both on and off pitch after the Wigan game. Given a very changed financial perspective, (post lockdown and beyond) it's likely footballer's wages will be reduced and new, fat contracts will be harder come by. Maybe some will realise that they are playing for their careers and put up a better fight. However, the lack of fitness maintained by some of the players during the break is palpably obvious and does not bear well for the remaining games. Management have some job getting a tune out of this shower of turds.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 1, 2020 19:13:29 GMT
When are these players going to start to take responsibility! Most of our current players have all played under Rowett, Jones, and MON. All of these managers had good track records before they came here, even Rowett and Jones continue to do well after Stoke. No improvement in the team after three managers tells me one thing, it's the players which are the problem. No matter how many managers we get in, or which team we pick, we will continue to do bad because a big group of players simply do not care. I've heard things in the media about some of the Stoke players having big egos and thinking they're above the manager. It's not rocket science to point out which players these are. It's a complete disgrace. I'm not going to fall into this trap of thinking it's the managers fault for the third time. I'm not going to sympathise with these players anymore. I've had enough. I think on the whole the fans are right behind the manager. I understand he’s made some odd team selections but there is definitely a lot more going on behind the scenes which I think has hamstrung his selections maybe🤷🏻♂️
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2020 19:19:22 GMT
One of the most over used cliches in football. We had fantastic home form before lockdown ...two games later and this Clearly the fans getting at our own players was also having some effect, forcing some of them to make a modicum of effort at home, whereas away; much less so. And now with no home fans much the same. It's hard to see where a result of any sort is coming now. They've been giving the right kind of bollicking, both on and off pitch after the Wigan game. Given a very changed financial perspective, (post lockdown and beyond) it's likely footballer's wages will be reduced and new, fat contracts will be harder come by. Maybe some will realise that they are playing for their careers and put up a better fight. However, the lack of fitness maintained by some of the players during the break is palpably obvious and does not bear well for the remaining games. Management have some job getting a tune out of this shower of turds. This for me is the problem. Birmingham players have turned up looking like MuuMuu Homer and was clear to see in Germany that some were clearly fitter than others. Troy Deeney trying to run on Saturday was a bit embarrassing.
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