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Post by gingerninja on Jun 30, 2020 22:43:29 GMT
I keep hearing this bandied about on here, I genuinely don't know, but I see nothing wrong in his post match comments. What else could he say, gloss it up and he's accused of being delusional, say it like we all saw it and he is slaughtered for that. He's an honest man and I think long term he will be very good for us..
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 30, 2020 22:44:30 GMT
I keep hearing this bandied about on here, I genuinely don't know, but I see nothing wrong in his post match comments. What else could he say, gloss it up and he's accused of being delusional, say it like we all saw it and he is slaughtered for that. He's an honest man and I think long term he will be very good for us.. The players reaction next Saturday will give us an idea after tonight’s post match comments
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Post by citynickscfc on Jun 30, 2020 22:44:58 GMT
I keep hearing this bandied about on here, I genuinely don't know, but I see nothing wrong in his post match comments. What else could he say, gloss it up and he's accused of being delusional, say it like we all saw it and he is slaughtered for that. He's an honest man and I think long term he will be very good for us.. I honestly don't think we can afford him in L1 and I have a feeling he will be another casualty. Average managerial wage 150k yearly. Average player wage 2.5k weekly - nick Powell 40k, TS 800k yearly
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Post by neddy on Jun 30, 2020 22:46:02 GMT
I think they have lost him rather than the other way around actually!
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Post by datguy on Jun 30, 2020 22:51:22 GMT
How on earth can you lose faith in MO'N?
Brilliant CV and bar the last two games he's done great with us. And by all accounts a solid coaching staff. They should all count themselves as walking miracles if it isn't them that have lost MO'N - not the other way around!
I'd like to think the dressing room is still behind him but the little rats in there will do their upmost to disturb that.
Priority numero uno whether survival or relegation - exterminate the rats.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 30, 2020 23:32:51 GMT
I keep hearing this bandied about on here, I genuinely don't know, but I see nothing wrong in his post match comments. What else could he say, gloss it up and he's accused of being delusional, say it like we all saw it and he is slaughtered for that. He's an honest man and I think long term he will be very good for us.. He could admit to getting it wrong, even Jones did that.
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Post by stantheman on Jun 30, 2020 23:52:50 GMT
During the 1st drinks break he gave them all an almighty bollocking, but seemed to single out and pointed at Clucas. Clucas then went to step forward and say something to MON, only for Shawcross to pull him back.
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Post by nottsover60 on Jul 1, 2020 0:08:56 GMT
There is a recurring theme here. When we appointed Rowett I was told by John McGrath (ex Burton now manager at Mickleover) that Rowett was the best manager he'd ever played for but he allegedly lost the Stoke dressing room. Luton players sang the praises of Nathan Jones and are obviously delighted to have him back. He lost the Stoke dressing room. I've not heard anything but praise for O'Neill from the N Irish players who didn't have to say anything. Now we are saying he's lost the dressing room. Who exactly do these players want managing them? I'm pretty sure Guardiola or Klopp or even Pulis would be laying into them as well had they managed that team tonight. There comes a time when the players need to be read the riot act and fans need to be shown that at least the manager respects us. In my opinion they have shown no respect to the club (apart from briefly under O'Neill) for the best part of 2 seasons so why should the manager show them respect. In failing to play to his tactics they were totally disrespectful of him tonight. He just said it as it was and I'm sure he'll be delighted to justify his words tomorrow when they review the match.
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Post by somersetstokie on Jul 1, 2020 0:52:39 GMT
I don't care if he has "lost the dressing room". I think this time we stick with "yer man". The players can take a running jump. Like it or lump it. The club is paying them very high salaries to do a job, and they can bloody well do it, or hope to find something somewhere else that will pay them as much. We need to hurl all the abuse at them that they deserve, how ever allegedly fragile their egos are.
And if any any of them want to argue, string Wince up from the goalposts as an example.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jul 1, 2020 1:50:52 GMT
I don't think so. We battered Hull before the lock down.
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Post by tuum on Jul 1, 2020 3:32:18 GMT
I don't care if he has "lost the dressing room". I think this time we stick with "yer man". The players can take a running jump. Like it or lump it. The club is paying them very high salaries to do a job, and they can bloody well do it, or hope to find something somewhere else that will pay them as much. We need to hurl all the abuse at them that they deserve, how ever allegedly fragile their egos are. And if any any of them want to argue, string Wince up from the goalposts as an example. The players will not lose out. Their salaries will continue to be paid by Stoke City if we were to be relegated. There may be 1-2 we could offload with no strings attached but I suspect the majority will move on with their new salaries being topped up by Stoke based on the term of the contract that they signed with Stoke...or maybe they will agree a severance payment. Some will just stay put to pick up their salaries for 2-3 years not bothered if they train with the Youth team. There may be 1-2 with some pride who are prepared to move on fully with a new club and reduced salary just to play 1st team football. If we got relegated it could prove to be an even heavier millstone around our necks. Does anybody think when we offered these players their contracts there was a wage reduction clause if we were to get relegated from the Championship?
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Post by Waggy on Jul 1, 2020 5:15:31 GMT
I keep hearing this bandied about on here, I genuinely don't know, but I see nothing wrong in his post match comments. What else could he say, gloss it up and he's accused of being delusional, say it like we all saw it and he is slaughtered for that. He's an honest man and I think long term he will be very good for us.. No 3 managers can't all be to blame for poor attitude. Terrible signings. Whoever signed these players needs hunting down. Is it cartwright? Or is it the previous two managers. I know there were problems when we came down with players arguing over money. Should have sold the high earners and re-built properly. Funny thing is WBA have kept their players and have a great attitude. Players to blame completely and who ever signed them. Most of them League 1 signings
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Post by bagnallboothen on Jul 1, 2020 5:34:59 GMT
He appears to have lost his marbles which is more of a concern.
Talk of Afobe coming back. Mention of a 55 game season. Talk about being at the right end of the table in the near future.
At no stage does it seem to have crossed anyone's mind that relegation was still a possibility. We've restarted the season picking a central midfielder that hasn't featured at all since we were relegated from the Prem and an 18 year old centre back at right back.
Who knows what the outcome of last night's rant will be, I don't particularly blame him for what he said, but the cool calm and collected manager we had prior to lockdown has gone.
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Post by DC1863 on Jul 1, 2020 5:43:56 GMT
I honestly couldn't care less if he's lost the confidence of these lot, like notts says above it's a recurring theme with this squad that when the going gets tough the players drop off and the manager bites the bullet.
The hierarchy should stop that rot with MoN, regardless of if we go down or not, clear half the squad out in the summer and give the gaffer a couple of seasons to build his own squad.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2020 5:52:37 GMT
I honestly couldn't care less if he's lost the confidence of these lot, like notts says above it's a recurring theme with this squad that when the going gets tough the players drop off and the manager bites the bullet. The hierarchy should stop that rot with MoN, regardless of if we go down or not, clear half the squad out in the summer and give the gaffer a couple of seasons to build his own squad. A couple of seasons? If we go down it's going to take a lot longer than that to properly clear the squad out. There is no way we'll be able to spend the money required to get rid of the players AND build a competitive squad in a "couple of seasons". We'll be lucky to get rid of 6-10 in one hit and even then, we'll be lucky to afford proper replacements.
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Post by DC1863 on Jul 1, 2020 6:26:28 GMT
I honestly couldn't care less if he's lost the confidence of these lot, like notts says above it's a recurring theme with this squad that when the going gets tough the players drop off and the manager bites the bullet. The hierarchy should stop that rot with MoN, regardless of if we go down or not, clear half the squad out in the summer and give the gaffer a couple of seasons to build his own squad. A couple of seasons? If we go down it's going to take a lot longer than that to properly clear the squad out. There is no way we'll be able to spend the money required to get rid of the players AND build a competitive squad in a "couple of seasons". We'll be lucky to get rid of 6-10 in one hit and even then, we'll be lucky to afford proper replacements. With FFP suspended couldn't we realistically shift all the loan players (incoming and outgoing: Badou, Wimmer, Chester) plus the out of contract players: Ward, Diouf, Federici etc. After that if we could find some poor souls to take the likes of Ince, Clucas and Vokes off our hands for any price (they always seem to find new clubs, somehow) then that would reduce the squad by almost a dozen? Promote Souttar and any other prospects with good attitudes and we could only be a handful of acquisitions away from a functioning squad. I dont think it'll be unusual for clubs to be buying half a dozen players this window due to covid. It all hinges on finding clubs to take the players off our hands but I believe in two seasons MoN could realistically overhaul this squad if the recruitment team are up to scratch.
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Post by lordherefordsknob on Jul 1, 2020 6:33:20 GMT
We have had shit performances under MON before but have always bounced back with a good performance after, can’t see that happening here.
Something definitely has happened since lockdown.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2020 6:44:01 GMT
Players mimicking him on the training ground. Players shaking there heads at him when he announces the team, and then there’s Dioufs short term contract to deal with which is bizarre!! As he lost it?? Absolutely
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2020 6:44:04 GMT
A couple of seasons? If we go down it's going to take a lot longer than that to properly clear the squad out. There is no way we'll be able to spend the money required to get rid of the players AND build a competitive squad in a "couple of seasons". We'll be lucky to get rid of 6-10 in one hit and even then, we'll be lucky to afford proper replacements. With FFP suspended couldn't we realistically shift all the loan players (incoming and outgoing: Badou, Wimmer, Chester) plus the out of contract players: Ward, Diouf, Federici etc. After that if we could find some poor souls to take the likes of Ince, Clucas and Vokes off our hands for any price (they always seem to find new clubs, somehow) then that would reduce the squad by almost a dozen? Promote Souttar and any other prospects with good attitudes and we could only be a handful of acquisitions away from a functioning squad. I dont think it'll be unusual for clubs to be buying half a dozen players this window due to covid. It all hinges on finding clubs to take the players off our hands but I believe in two seasons MoN could realistically overhaul this squad if the recruitment team are up to scratch. So far the only link with Wimmer, for example, has been a loan with no fee and no wages covered. Assuming he's on 30k a week after his relegation drop to the Champ (60k a week in the premier league a fair assumption?) and assuming that goes by 50% again. It's still 15k a week on a player that isn't even in your club. 780k a year down the drain in a league where you get around 2-6M in through the door? We only need another 6 players in a similar situation (at a yearly income of 6M) and that is your yearly budget down the drain. Another 1.5 players at an income of 2M a year. I'm not having a go at you mate at all but people need to wake up. This club is in serious, serious trouble if and when it goes down. This won't be a couple of seasons 'quick fix'. We're in this for the long haul now and we are paying dearly for our actions of the last few years.
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Post by jeycov on Jul 1, 2020 6:46:05 GMT
He can only rant and rave at them so much for any chance of a positive reaction
Unlikely to have experienced this kind of reaction with his national team - of course, N Ireland have lost, played badly but players know they are likely to lose the chance of International football if they don’t put in the effort to play as a team to the managers instructions And there are plenty waiting for a chance to take their place Club football doesn’t work in quite the same way, These players are all he has to work with, players “dropped “ from the team remain in and around the squad. Matches coming thick and fast, unchartered territory for everyone
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 1, 2020 6:46:53 GMT
Players mimicking him on the training ground. Players shaking there heads at him when he announces the team, and then there’s Dioufs short term contract to deal with which is bizarre!! As he lost it?? Absolutely Clyde where have you heard this?
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 1, 2020 7:04:07 GMT
I honestly couldn't care less if he's lost the confidence of these lot, like notts says above it's a recurring theme with this squad that when the going gets tough the players drop off and the manager bites the bullet. The hierarchy should stop that rot with MoN, regardless of if we go down or not, clear half the squad out in the summer and give the gaffer a couple of seasons to build his own squad. Which is fine however his first two signings were Chester and Thompson who have actually managed to make us worse, hi steam selections in the last two games have been bizarre to say the least.
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Post by DC1863 on Jul 1, 2020 7:14:28 GMT
With FFP suspended couldn't we realistically shift all the loan players (incoming and outgoing: Badou, Wimmer, Chester) plus the out of contract players: Ward, Diouf, Federici etc. After that if we could find some poor souls to take the likes of Ince, Clucas and Vokes off our hands for any price (they always seem to find new clubs, somehow) then that would reduce the squad by almost a dozen? Promote Souttar and any other prospects with good attitudes and we could only be a handful of acquisitions away from a functioning squad. I dont think it'll be unusual for clubs to be buying half a dozen players this window due to covid. It all hinges on finding clubs to take the players off our hands but I believe in two seasons MoN could realistically overhaul this squad if the recruitment team are up to scratch. So far the only link with Wimmer, for example, has been a loan with no fee and no wages covered. Assuming he's on 30k a week after his relegation drop to the Champ (60k a week in the premier league a fair assumption?) and assuming that goes by 50% again. It's still 15k a week on a player that isn't even in your club. 780k a year down the drain in a league where you get around 2-6M in through the door? We only need another 6 players in a similar situation (at a yearly income of 6M) and that is your yearly budget down the drain. Another 1.5 players at an income of 2M a year. I'm not having a go at you mate at all but people need to wake up. This club is in serious, serious trouble if and when it goes down. This won't be a couple of seasons 'quick fix'. We're in this for the long haul now and we are paying dearly for our actions of the last few years. Yeah I agree with what you're saying in regards to finances but with FFP suspended could we not simply sell the likes of Imbula, Wimmer, Bauer and Badou for nominal or no fees? Honest question as I'm not exactly versed on FFP but does it not only take in to account yearly losses, so our previous transfer fees paid become irrelevant? Especially with the suspension taken into account. I seem to remember a sentinel article explaining that the less time remaining on Imbulas contract meant we could sell him for peanuts and not suffer to drastic a loss on FFP? Hence the confusing process of loaning them out for seemingly no benefit to us. Of course it may not be possible but if it was, selling those 4 for nominal fees would free up almost half a million a month in wages. But yeah of course you're completely right having these wasters on our wage book in League 1 would be an unmitigated disaster, it could even be worth releasing them and taking a possible points deduction from FFP if it meant being able to start fresh, god what an absolute shambles to process has overseen.
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Post by thestatusquo on Jul 1, 2020 7:18:40 GMT
If he doesn’t drop Butland on Saturday then serious questions need to be asked
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2020 7:20:19 GMT
So far the only link with Wimmer, for example, has been a loan with no fee and no wages covered. Assuming he's on 30k a week after his relegation drop to the Champ (60k a week in the premier league a fair assumption?) and assuming that goes by 50% again. It's still 15k a week on a player that isn't even in your club. 780k a year down the drain in a league where you get around 2-6M in through the door? We only need another 6 players in a similar situation (at a yearly income of 6M) and that is your yearly budget down the drain. Another 1.5 players at an income of 2M a year. I'm not having a go at you mate at all but people need to wake up. This club is in serious, serious trouble if and when it goes down. This won't be a couple of seasons 'quick fix'. We're in this for the long haul now and we are paying dearly for our actions of the last few years. Yeah I agree with what you're saying in regards to finances but with FFP suspended could we not simply sell the likes of Imbula, Wimmer, Bauer and Badou for nominal or no fees? Honest question as I'm not exactly versed on FFP but does it not only take in to account yearly losses, so our previous transfer fees paid become irrelevant? Especially with the suspension taken into account. I seem to remember a sentinel article explaining that the less time remaining on Imbulas contract meant we could sell him for peanuts and not suffer to drastic a loss on FFP? Hence the confusing process of loaning them out for seemingly no benefit to us. Of course it may not be possible but if it was, selling those 4 for nominal fees would free up almost half a million a month in wages. But yeah of course you're completely right having these wasters on our wage book in League 1 would be an unmitigated disaster, it could even be worth releasing them and taking a possible points deduction from FFP if it meant being able to start fresh, god what an absolute shambles to process has overseen. In League One FFP works a bit differently from what i've been reading. You can only spend 60% of your total income on wages else you get put on a correction plan...
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Post by Billybigbollox on Jul 1, 2020 7:26:29 GMT
I keep hearing this bandied about on here, I genuinely don't know, but I see nothing wrong in his post match comments. What else could he say, gloss it up and he's accused of being delusional, say it like we all saw it and he is slaughtered for that. He's an honest man and I think long term he will be very good for us.. No 3 managers can't all be to blame for poor attitude. Terrible signings. Whoever signed these players needs hunting down. Is it cartwright? Or is it the previous two managers. I know there were problems when we came down with players arguing over money. Should have sold the high earners and re-built properly. Funny thing is WBA have kept their players and have a great attitude. Players to blame completely and who ever signed them. Most of them League 1 signings This lot will struggle in League 1 Colin. In their minds they are Premier League, but in reality a lot of ‘em are League 2 at best. Allen aside there aren’t many that you’d shed a tear if they left.
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Post by werrington on Jul 1, 2020 7:27:33 GMT
Interesting in his after match interview he alluded to issues in the dressing room that are beyond his control until the season ends and he can sort then out himself
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 1, 2020 7:28:04 GMT
He's lost the dressing room after 3 games post lockdown? Clearly bollocks.
His selections appear strange but the facts are we have poor footballers with poor attitudes. He's also lost his most influential player which doesn't help. It's a very difficult job which will get even harder in League 1 where the ARROGANT owners and a CLUELESS CEO are not able to chuck loads of money at the problem.
Worrying times.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 1, 2020 7:30:35 GMT
Interesting in his after match interview he alluded to issues in the dressing room that are beyond his control until the season ends and he can sort then out himself Didnt Paul Cook say the same also when asked about us post match?
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Post by rorystowel on Jul 1, 2020 7:34:17 GMT
Players mimicking him on the training ground. Players shaking there heads at him when he announces the team, and then there’s Dioufs short term contract to deal with which is bizarre!! As he lost it?? Absolutely Wow if that’s true then it explains a lot post lockdown. It would also prove that we have managed to assemble the biggest puke pile of toxic wasters imaginable.
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