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Post by citynickscfc on Jul 1, 2020 7:38:08 GMT
Players mimicking him on the training ground. Players shaking there heads at him when he announces the team, and then there’s Dioufs short term contract to deal with which is bizarre!! As he lost it?? Absolutely Where is this from?
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 1, 2020 7:39:54 GMT
Players mimicking him on the training ground. Players shaking there heads at him when he announces the team, and then there’s Dioufs short term contract to deal with which is bizarre!! As he lost it?? Absolutely And that doesn't happen anywhere else? Players will always find an excuse.
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Post by femark on Jul 1, 2020 7:44:08 GMT
I think he's just had enough of the players attitude. He's tried to be calm and encouraging with them and it hasn't worked. Unfortunately, this bunch think they're too good to be shouted at.
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Post by andystokey on Jul 1, 2020 7:47:01 GMT
Be has no leader on the pitch or dressing room that's why Ryan is being rushed back playing in pain.
I seem to remember being told we bought a team of captains 18mo ago. Once they cross that white line no one has a clue.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2020 7:48:10 GMT
Interesting in his after match interview he alluded to issues in the dressing room that are beyond his control until the season ends and he can sort then out himself That can only be the players and their attitude to the club that he's alluding to, and the end of the season meaning he can get rid of the bad apples. What a mess.
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Post by thisisouryear on Jul 1, 2020 7:49:30 GMT
It was important our players came back from lockdown fitter than every team around us to give us the best chance of staying up, and clearly many of our players have fell way short of what should have been expected.
The positives are is that the lockdown will have exposed the shit houses in the club so MON can identify who needs to go at the end of the season. We have to keep MON or we will just have the same issues over and over again.
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Post by LankyPotter on Jul 1, 2020 7:52:55 GMT
I think they have lost him rather than the other way around actually! Absolutely agree - why should we persevere with players like that? Id prefer to let MON crack on than let the shithouses dictate our club.
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Post by LankyPotter on Jul 1, 2020 7:53:54 GMT
Players mimicking him on the training ground. Players shaking there heads at him when he announces the team, and then there’s Dioufs short term contract to deal with which is bizarre!! As he lost it?? Absolutely And that doesn't happen anywhere else? Players will always find an excuse. Absolutely. Stndard in this game. I would like MON to stamp his own authority by getting rid of these tossers.
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Post by rorystowel on Jul 1, 2020 7:54:43 GMT
It’s difficult to put myself in the shoes of these overpaid millionaires but I’m guessing some of their lockdown daily schedules took the form of:
1. Chill in mansion 2. Play FIFA 20 3. Send daily email to agent about potential transfer 4. Play Call of Duty, followed by 5 minutes in my gym 5. Go for a swim in my pool to cool down 6. Check for email updates from agent 7. Get pissed and binge watch the entire John Wick trilogy 8. Time for a WAG
Getting a broken squad of millionaire misfits revved up for a relegation battle after lockdown, when many of them have no loyalty to our club and are already engineering moves away, must be a gargantuan task.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jul 1, 2020 8:02:44 GMT
Players are as impacted by results as anyone , and we can hardly now say it’s the fancy dan foreigners , mercenaries etc , I’ve said for a long time the issue us actually much simpler ,
The process and successive managers have created a squad that simply isn’t god enough if you take key players out , we lost through our own choice Etebo , Badou , Woods , and then inevitably Allen to an injury leaving cousins and Thomson As our engine room , neither of whom would get in the Crewe team .
We just need to accept we are going down because the players are shit , as result , the O’Neil appointment was a mistake because good bloke that he is he simply didn’t have the experience to make those decisions in a window , at leat one of the should have been kept and one of the other two replaced properly .
There’s no way a Pulis or warnick would have accepted .losing three midfielders we own on loan of that quality .and it’s hard to believe O’Neil would have done by choice unless he’s no idea of what’s required at this level as it’s going to set his career bs I significantly unless he brings us back but without any of the decent players that’s highly unlikely . We are destined for a catastrophic implosion between the two seasons I actually think I O’Neil will get the chance to make amends if he wants too but I doubt he can do it his transfers have made Jones look like A transfer genius and he’s simply not got the experience at this or the level below to know what’s required .
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Jul 1, 2020 8:04:44 GMT
'These are the players we have'
He said in his post match interview last night. Says to me that he thinks they're wank, which for the main part they are.
He's not been perfect, especially in the last 3 games but I'd rather go down and keep O'Neill than stay up and keep this set of players.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2020 8:06:30 GMT
Players mimicking him on the training ground. Players shaking there heads at him when he announces the team, and then there’s Dioufs short term contract to deal with which is bizarre!! As he lost it?? Absolutely And that doesn't happen anywhere else? Players will always find an excuse. I have no idea to be honest.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2020 8:08:07 GMT
Players mimicking him on the training ground. Players shaking there heads at him when he announces the team, and then there’s Dioufs short term contract to deal with which is bizarre!! As he lost it?? Absolutely Where is this from? I’ll let one of the ITK spill mate. But some of the ongoings is bizarre. Not so much oneil lost the dressing room it seems we’ve lost control of the club altogether
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2020 8:09:52 GMT
I’ll let one of the ITK spill mate. But some of the ongoings is bizarre. Not so much oneil lost the dressing room it seems we’ve lost control of the club altogether You can't leave it there mate! No way!
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Post by chigstoke on Jul 1, 2020 8:11:15 GMT
Those bunch of wankers on the pitch have lost any semblance of being footballers, never mind him losing the dressing room.
They’re nearly all shit.
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Post by chigstoke on Jul 1, 2020 8:12:06 GMT
I’ll let one of the ITK spill mate. But some of the ongoings is bizarre. Not so much oneil lost the dressing room it seems we’ve lost control of the club altogether Don’t be a cock tease
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2020 8:13:17 GMT
I honestly couldn't care less if he's lost the confidence of these lot, like notts says above it's a recurring theme with this squad that when the going gets tough the players drop off and the manager bites the bullet. The hierarchy should stop that rot with MoN, regardless of if we go down or not, clear half the squad out in the summer and give the gaffer a couple of seasons to build his own squad. A couple of seasons? If we go down it's going to take a lot longer than that to properly clear the squad out. There is no way we'll be able to spend the money required to get rid of the players AND build a competitive squad in a "couple of seasons". We'll be lucky to get rid of 6-10 in one hit and even then, we'll be lucky to afford proper replacements. You ok don’t need to spend money in League One to get promoted.....
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Post by sharonbeech21 on Jul 1, 2020 8:30:59 GMT
No i dont the Michael has lost the dressing room.Its the players who have lost him i think. These players just dont care. We need to get players in who are willing to put a shift in instead of players who cant be bothered
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Post by philb on Jul 1, 2020 8:36:03 GMT
How on earth can you lose faith in MO'N? Brilliant CV and bar the last two games he's done great with us. And by all accounts a solid coaching staff. They should all count themselves as walking miracles if it isn't them that have lost MO'N - not the other way around! I'd like to think the dressing room is still behind him but the little rats in there will do their upmost to disturb that. Priority numero uno whether survival or relegation - exterminate the rats. We seem to be going in circles with this though don’t we? We already apparently got rid of all the bad eggs from relegation ie Wimmer, Imbula, Badou etc so why are players that are relatively new to the club since relegation now causing more trouble?
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Post by LankyPotter on Jul 1, 2020 8:59:28 GMT
I hate the ‘lost the dressing room’ cliche. It seems to me that he has asked genuine questions of these players, it was done following the boro game, tonight in the drinks break and clearly something was said at HT/FT. He was bollocking them in the first drinks break, asking questions as to why they were second to every ball, why they weren’t fighting, why they weren’t making basic footballing decisions. You have to say at this point, that these players don’t deserve to be at the standard they are so why should MON be having to keep these mugs on board. I know that will probably end in relegation but we’d have been mathematically relegated by now if he hadn’t of come in so it is what it is now. Stick with MON and let him cut these fraudsters.
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Post by sheds1862 on Jul 1, 2020 9:11:11 GMT
I don't think so. We battered Hull before the lock down. You can only beat what's in front of you but I do think that result would of been better a 1-0 win. Let's not beat about the bush, Hull were absolutely abysmal. 5-00pm that day on here we'll go up as Champions next season. O'Neill has done very well with this bunch to even have a fighting chance. I genuinely think a lot ( not all ) particularly the ex Premier brigade think they are too good and too precious to be faffing around at this level. Now this is not a dig at Allen as he at least gives everything on the pitch. Butland Allen Indi Possibly excluding the 54 out on loan are the last relics of the Premier League. Answer this, how come nobody but nobody has even put a bid in to take them back to the PL. Fucking none. And the reason is they have turned into bang average to poor players. I'm with O'Neill all the way , there is something deeper here. Rowett wasn't as bad as we make out, shit football yes . His problem was we were unanimous favourite for the title and were always carrying that burden. He then lost the fan base , suicidal. However I maintain he wasn't the shit manager he's labelled here. Jones on the other hand was a lunatic. Fuck knows I just am totally numb with it. The highlight of the week will be hoping Huddersfield lose tonight and maybe a draw between Hull v Boro. That's how wank we have become.
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Post by LankyPotter on Jul 1, 2020 9:14:46 GMT
I hate the ‘lost the dressing room’ cliche. It seems to me that he has asked genuine questions of these players, it was done following the boro game, tonight in the drinks break and clearly something was said at HT/FT. He was bollocking them in the first drinks break, asking questions as to why they were second to every ball, why they weren’t fighting, why they weren’t making basic footballing decisions. You have to say at this point, that these players don’t deserve to be at the standard they are so why should MON be having to keep these mugs on board. I know that will probably end in relegation but we’d have been mathematically relegated by now if he hadn’t of come in so it is what it is now. Stick with MON and let him cut these fraudsters. And to add to it, the players have thrown their toys out of the pram because he has asked questions of them. Surely that tells you something???
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Post by Olgrligm on Jul 1, 2020 9:22:30 GMT
How many good managers are going to lose this dressing room, before we properly back a manager and start asking questions about the dressing room?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2020 9:29:32 GMT
I’ll let one of the ITK spill mate. But some of the ongoings is bizarre. Not so much oneil lost the dressing room it seems we’ve lost control of the club altogether You can't leave it there mate! No way! It will be coming out today I should imagine regarding the contracts. The money given to Diouf is staggering! Let’s just say premiership players don’t receive what Diouf has been given four 4 weeks work
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Post by nottsover60 on Jul 1, 2020 9:35:43 GMT
Why should he bother keeping these players onside? I think he's decided that they will get us relegated whatever so instead of protecting them he'll tell us and them what he really thinks of them. He should tell them that only the ones who really care about Stoke enough to put their egos and bodies on the line should bother turning up from now on. Call up replacements from the U23 squad. Even if they have done no training since March they can't be less fit than this lot.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2020 9:37:28 GMT
I keep hearing this bandied about on here, I genuinely don't know, but I see nothing wrong in his post match comments. What else could he say, gloss it up and he's accused of being delusional, say it like we all saw it and he is slaughtered for that. He's an honest man and I think long term he will be very good for us.. The players have discovered that if they deliberately play poorly, and some specialise in doing so, then they won't be blamed, hell, they'll even be given extensions to their contracts. O'Neill, however, will eventually be blamed and sacked as a result thereof. It's not a personal thing with the manager, it's just some people's way of going about their business of doing as little as possible while getting paid as well as possible. Even this season we've seen Imbula paid off handsomely to do nothing other than making himself scarce, and Ince never breaking sweat while being one of our highest paid players. If it was just one player in a squad of many, then he'd be isolated. But we've created a culture where many players go out of their way to do nothing, and new players arrive and see how richly that culture pays off. O'Neill hasn't lost the dressing room, because he never had it. He might have thought he'd won the squad over when he arrived, but he hasn't been able to erase that deep rooted culture.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2020 9:41:19 GMT
Interesting in his after match interview he alluded to issues in the dressing room that are beyond his control until the season ends and he can sort then out himself That can only be the players and their attitude to the club that he's alluding to, and the end of the season meaning he can get rid of the bad apples. What a mess. He's deluded if he thinks he can get rid of bad apples just like that. For every apple he throws away here are five more falling... Every manager since Hughes left, Lambert, Rowett, Jones, and O'Neill can all point to rotten apples in the dressing room, but they can't get rid of them, as long as we store them on five year contracts.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2020 9:45:10 GMT
I don't care if he has "lost the dressing room". I think this time we stick with "yer man". The players can take a running jump. Like it or lump it. The club is paying them very high salaries to do a job, and they can bloody well do it, or hope to find something somewhere else that will pay them as much. We need to hurl all the abuse at them that they deserve, how ever allegedly fragile their egos are. And if any any of them want to argue, string Wince up from the goalposts as an example. The players will not lose out. Their salaries will continue to be paid by Stoke City if we were to be relegated. There may be 1-2 we could offload with no strings attached but I suspect the majority will move on with their new salaries being topped up by Stoke based on the term of the contract that they signed with Stoke...or maybe they will agree a severance payment. Some will just stay put to pick up their salaries for 2-3 years not bothered if they train with the Youth team. There may be 1-2 with some pride who are prepared to move on fully with a new club and reduced salary just to play 1st team football. If we got relegated it could prove to be an even heavier millstone around our necks. Does anybody think when we offered these players their contracts there was a wage reduction clause if we were to get relegated from the Championship? Standard procedure.
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Post by nottsover60 on Jul 1, 2020 9:54:32 GMT
The concerning thing for me is that we are not even talking about the squad that Hughes and Lambert had. Only Shawcross, Butland, Diouff and Allen remain who (rubbish though Jack has been he's still made excellent saves after being left horribly exposed by his defence) I can't see being the bad eggs. That means the culture goes deeper than the players. As I've said before it only needs a small minority to infect a whole group. Ask any teacher - a class of 27 hard working, cooperative children can be infected by 2 or 3 disruptive pupils who bounce off one another and are usually popular with some others in the group who will laugh at them and encourage them making them feel empowered to behave badly. Only strong characters can ignore them which we know we have very few of.
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Post by spitthedog on Jul 1, 2020 10:04:15 GMT
We are going on about his team selections but bear in mind he is trying to pick 11 players who actually want to play for this club, when in fact there is only about 3 of them at the most in the whole squad who have any remote interest in being on that pitch.
His hands are tied.
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