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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2020 19:24:29 GMT
When are these players going to start to take responsibility! Most of our current players have all played under Rowett, Jones, and MON. All of these managers had good track records before they came here, even Rowett and Jones continue to do well after Stoke. No improvement in the team after three managers tells me one thing, it's the players which are the problem. No matter how many managers we get in, or which team we pick, we will continue to do bad because a big group of players simply do not care. I've heard things in the media about some of the Stoke players having big egos and thinking they're above the manager. It's not rocket science to point out which players these are. It's a complete disgrace. I'm not going to fall into this trap of thinking it's the managers fault for the third time. I'm not going to sympathise with these players anymore. I've had enough. I think on the whole the fans are right behind the manager. I understand he’s made some odd team selections but there is definitely a lot more going on behind the scenes which I think has hamstrung his selections maybe🤷🏻♂️ Spot on. He deserves stick for his behaviour post lockdown, however, it doesn't excuse the players one iota and to some degree he has a free hit given where we were pre lockdown in relation to November.
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Post by abcd1234 on Jul 1, 2020 19:27:26 GMT
When are these players going to start to take responsibility! Most of our current players have all played under Rowett, Jones, and MON. All of these managers had good track records before they came here, even Rowett and Jones continue to do well after Stoke. No improvement in the team after three managers tells me one thing, it's the players which are the problem. No matter how many managers we get in, or which team we pick, we will continue to do bad because a big group of players simply do not care. I've heard things in the media about some of the Stoke players having big egos and thinking they're above the manager. It's not rocket science to point out which players these are. It's a complete disgrace. I'm not going to fall into this trap of thinking it's the managers fault for the third time. I'm not going to sympathise with these players anymore. I've had enough. I think on the whole the fans are right behind the manager. I understand he’s made some odd team selections but there is definitely a lot more going on behind the scenes which I think has hamstrung his selections maybe🤷🏻♂️ No doubt about it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2020 19:38:25 GMT
It will be coming out today I should imagine regarding the contracts. The money given to Diouf is staggering! Let’s just say premiership players don’t receive what Diouf has been given four 4 weeks work Why would they pay him more than his original contract to stay on for 1 month when he's only going to be a bit part player anyway? His contract has (more than likely) been extended on existing terms until the season finishes. There is no problem with that at all. Same for ward in reality. Federici didn't want the commute as no3 keeper. He had pretty much agreed to leave and not play again pre lockdown. These silly rumours help no one. Nobody is asking you to believe it. Make your own assumptions. It will no doubt come out one day. However what Diouf has been given is absurd.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jul 1, 2020 19:41:06 GMT
Why would they pay him more than his original contract to stay on for 1 month when he's only going to be a bit part player anyway? His contract has (more than likely) been extended on existing terms until the season finishes. There is no problem with that at all. Same for ward in reality. Federici didn't want the commute as no3 keeper. He had pretty much agreed to leave and not play again pre lockdown. These silly rumours help no one. Nobody is asking you to believe it. Make your own assumptions. It will no doubt come out one day. However what Diouf has been given is absurd. I don't believe it and this sort of stuff "has been coming out one day" for years. If you believe diouf has signed a new extended 4 week contract on ridiculous sums of money than he was on yesterday (the day his original contract expired) more fool you and anyone else who believes such rubbish.
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Post by Jack Jarvis Esquire on Jul 1, 2020 19:42:54 GMT
Paul Cook said something along the lines of “ Everyone knows the problems going on at Stoke” in his interview after the game. I’ve always been convinced the lack of win bonuses at the club allows for lack of desire.
Especially if your a work shy chancer like most of the squad
We can’t continue to allow bone idle weasels to chew and spit out managers. They need to take accountability for their performances!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2020 19:43:12 GMT
Nobody is asking you to believe it. Make your own assumptions. It will no doubt come out one day. However what Diouf has been given is absurd. I don't believe it and this sort of stuff "has been coming out one day" for years. If you believe diouf has signed a new extended 4 week contract on ridiculous sums of money than he was on yesterday (the day his original contract expired) more fool you and anyone else who believes such rubbish. It’s quite easy to believe when you know it’s true. If you don’t choose to believe it that’s upto you.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jul 1, 2020 19:45:35 GMT
I don't believe it and this sort of stuff "has been coming out one day" for years. If you believe diouf has signed a new extended 4 week contract on ridiculous sums of money than he was on yesterday (the day his original contract expired) more fool you and anyone else who believes such rubbish. It’s quite easy to believe when you know it’s true. If you don’t choose to believe it that’s upto you. As with all ITK'ers you always claim to know it's TRUE but you never say how you know or where it has come from. Until you do so, I'll call bullshit
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2020 19:46:27 GMT
We were going along ok before lockdown, we lose 2 games and suddenly the manager has lost the dressing room etc. Crap form and performances more like.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 1, 2020 19:59:39 GMT
When are these players going to start to take responsibility! Most of our current players have all played under Rowett, Jones, and MON. All of these managers had good track records before they came here, even Rowett and Jones continue to do well after Stoke. No improvement in the team after three managers tells me one thing, it's the players which are the problem. No matter how many managers we get in, or which team we pick, we will continue to do bad because a big group of players simply do not care. I've heard things in the media about some of the Stoke players having big egos and thinking they're above the manager. It's not rocket science to point out which players these are. It's a complete disgrace. I'm not going to fall into this trap of thinking it's the managers fault for the third time. I'm not going to sympathise with these players anymore. I've had enough. There was improvement though, under MON before lock down it saw us in promotion form......
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Post by stokeyank on Jul 1, 2020 20:06:33 GMT
At what point do you just find out who the problems are and tell them to stay away from the team? Sure you have to pay them but if they are hurting and not helping MoN should just tell them to stay home. If we have 5 that are fuck ups, send them away to never return, then we may stay in the Championship. Sure it kills the ability to sell them but so does going down.
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Post by chayseeoatcake on Jul 1, 2020 20:27:12 GMT
It’s quite easy to believe when you know it’s true. If you don’t choose to believe it that’s upto you. As with all ITK'ers you always claim to know it's TRUE but you never say how you know or where it has come from. Until you do so, I'll call bullshit The Diouff deal is staggering. Something seriously wrong.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jul 1, 2020 20:30:16 GMT
As with all ITK'ers you always claim to know it's TRUE but you never say how you know or where it has come from. Until you do so, I'll call bullshit The Diouff deal is staggering. Something seriously wrong. What is staggering about it?
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Post by chayseeoatcake on Jul 1, 2020 20:31:53 GMT
250k for doing nothing after doing not much.
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Post by FbrgVaStkFan on Jul 1, 2020 20:32:08 GMT
We were going along ok before lockdown, we lose 2 games and suddenly the manager has lost the dressing room etc. Crap form and performances more like. Agreed. The most obvious reason.
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Post by David Brent on Jul 1, 2020 20:35:11 GMT
I refuse to blame MON for the players gutless performances
The players are totally at fault and most not his signing
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jul 1, 2020 20:37:23 GMT
250k for doing nothing after doing not much. And you know this how? Diouf has had his contract, that would expire yesterday, extended so he remains part of the squad that completes the season. If that equates to 250k, then you can bet your arse that it's simply the value of his normal contract over a 4 week period. For example, if in the last 4 weeks of his contract, he would have earned 100k, you can pretty much be certain that he will earn the very same amount over the 4 weeks that his contract has been extended by, unless of course he plays and scores at which point he might get a goal bonus or even a win bonus if that is in his contract. Again, I call bullshit. Even we aren't going to improve the contract of a peripheral player, a player almost certainly going to be leaving when the season eventually finishes, to such an extent that he's going to earn more than his previous contract for such a short period of time. He will have had his contract extended on his previous terms so that we can call upon him if necessary. If he was demanding silly money to stay a few extra weeks, he would have left the club just like Federici has done.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 1, 2020 20:42:10 GMT
We were going along ok before lockdown, we lose 2 games and suddenly the manager has lost the dressing room etc. Crap form and performances more like. Agreed. The most obvious reason. It’s not crap form. They’ve downed tools for the manager and each other. Crap form is losing games despite giving your all. They dunna give a fuck about the manager, each other or the fans. Saturday is the biggest game in years. We will see if the players care because if they do they will wipe the floor with Barnsley.
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Post by smallthorner on Jul 1, 2020 20:42:11 GMT
We were going along ok before lockdown, we lose 2 games and suddenly the manager has lost the dressing room etc. Crap form and performances more like. Maybe crap man management and keeping control of a bunch of overpaid tosspots whilst at home.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jul 1, 2020 20:46:47 GMT
No one, not even the miscreants running our Club, is going to offer a bit part player an contract extension on terms that exceed his existing terms and conditions.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2020 21:11:31 GMT
We were going along ok before lockdown, we lose 2 games and suddenly the manager has lost the dressing room etc. Crap form and performances more like. Maybe crap man management and keeping control of a bunch of overpaid tosspots whilst at home. Have no idea ...can speculate about anything I guess
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2020 21:16:13 GMT
It’s quite easy to believe when you know it’s true. If you don’t choose to believe it that’s upto you. As with all ITK'ers you always claim to know it's TRUE but you never say how you know or where it has come from. Until you do so, I'll call bullshit Very good
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2020 21:19:31 GMT
250k for doing nothing after doing not much. Its not quite that much
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jul 1, 2020 21:34:00 GMT
250k for doing nothing after doing not much. Its not quite that much So how much is it then and how much more will he earn over the next 4 weeks v the previous 4 weeks?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 1, 2020 21:34:31 GMT
250k for doing nothing after doing not much. Its not quite that much It'll be no where near.
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 1, 2020 21:51:01 GMT
So how much is it then and how much more will he earn over the next 4 weeks v the previous 4 weeks? What's all the fuss about ? if our manager isn't going to play him why extend his contract at all it makes no sense even at this fcuked up basket case football club.
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Post by RAF on Jul 1, 2020 21:57:38 GMT
If we are going down bring Macari in! Best times at that level I've ever had!
Plus the bonus of singing Skip to my Lou again!
H
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Post by abcd1234 on Jul 1, 2020 22:09:00 GMT
When are these players going to start to take responsibility! Most of our current players have all played under Rowett, Jones, and MON. All of these managers had good track records before they came here, even Rowett and Jones continue to do well after Stoke. No improvement in the team after three managers tells me one thing, it's the players which are the problem. No matter how many managers we get in, or which team we pick, we will continue to do bad because a big group of players simply do not care. I've heard things in the media about some of the Stoke players having big egos and thinking they're above the manager. It's not rocket science to point out which players these are. It's a complete disgrace. I'm not going to fall into this trap of thinking it's the managers fault for the third time. I'm not going to sympathise with these players anymore. I've had enough. There was improvement though, under MON before lock down it saw us in promotion form...... Yes there was a short lived improvement, where we actually looked like a team again. I was confident we had turned a corner. However, these last few performances have been shocking, and the players look like they have a completely different attitude from before lockdown. I'm sick of these supposedly "top championship players" underperforming. It's not good enough.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 1, 2020 23:12:26 GMT
There was improvement though, under MON before lock down it saw us in promotion form...... Yes there was a short lived improvement, where we actually looked like a team again. I was confident we had turned a corner. However, these last few performances have been shocking, and the players look like they have a completely different attitude from before lockdown. I'm sick of these supposedly "top championship players" underperforming. It's not good enough. The players are the same its the set up holding them back, I agree its not been good enough from everyone at the club.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2020 4:21:30 GMT
Could he be doing some international style get everyone through a game then go with best 11.
Granted I have no idea what the best 11 or formation is.
But could this be a logical manager decisions that's backfired after a previous good run of form?
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Post by cotswoldstokie on Jul 2, 2020 11:12:36 GMT
I don't think so. We battered Hull before the lock down. I thought Hull were comfortably the worst team in our league, but after Tuesday night I now know it’s us🤔
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