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Post by Dutchpeter on Jun 9, 2020 9:01:45 GMT
Although that season was dreadful for Stoke, our average crowds increased to 12,499 from 9,871 the previous season. So at least we stuck to the increased crowd bit True. Crowds were up due to higher expectations caused by us spending a few quid over the summer. The boothen were chanting “bring out the champions” before the first game against West Ham! We also had games against Vale, and Wolves which inflated our average slightly. Our crowds held up despite our league position. I always thought it was Vale in the same league galvanising our support. Cheers Vale 😁
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 9, 2020 10:50:35 GMT
Football wasn't great, but there was just something about Italia '90 to anyone of a certain age that won't be beaten.
Really good podcast on it here - with lots of great Italia '90 content on the twitter feed for fellow Italia '90 lovers.
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Post by thanksjon on Jun 9, 2020 11:16:46 GMT
Italia 90 had the least goals per game for any World Cup up to that point (I think that still holds true still) Platini was able to force through the back pass rule change as a result Liverpool's domination declined from this time, OK there were other factors of course but the old routine of Grobelaar to Hanssen to Grobelaar to Lawrenson to Grobelaar to Hansen to Grobelaar e.t.c. that was incredibly tedious had to stop. In Ireland v Egypt Bonner spent six minutes of the game holding the ball. Worst match I ever attended.
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Post by damo on Jun 9, 2020 11:18:01 GMT
Does anyone have any insight into why England fans switched from displaying Union Jacks to St George’s Crosses at around 1990? My first England away match was the famous nil nil against Italy in 1997. If you look back at footage now the flags were about half and half. It seemed to change after that with nearly all being St George cross flags within a couple of years. It was like England fans suddenly wanted their own countries identity to be noticed.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 9, 2020 11:19:24 GMT
In Ireland v Egypt Bonner spent six minutes of the game holding the ball. Worst match I ever attended. the carnival atmosphere of a world cup football game being ruined by the football.
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Post by thanksjon on Jun 9, 2020 11:26:19 GMT
As an Irishman is was the first world cup we had ever qualified for.I was with a group of 57 wo went by coach to Italy and the man who organised the trip clearly used a globe to pick where we would stay,We stayed in Corcica and traveled to Sardinia and back for the England match.We then got the ferry to Livorno and travelled the length of Italy to a hotel on the wrong side of Sicily.Ferry back up to Genoa where I was lucky enough to meet two Scottish fans who had bought tickets for the last 16 in the hope that they qualified and sold us them at face value(against their stereotype).Two never to be forgotten nights vs Romania and Italy and a bus back to Dublin from Rome.No problem to 26 year old me.I think I would die now.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 9, 2020 11:38:46 GMT
My owd grandad could be a grumpy old so and so when it came to watching England. The only positive review he gave I can remember is when we beat Holland 4 - 1 in Euro 96 where he said they played OK but won’t beat a decent side🙄. The happiest I can ever remember him football related is when Oman Biyik scored against Argentina in Italia 90. How Argentina got to that final I will never know, can’t remember them out playing anyone, certainly not Brazil, Yugoslavia or Italy in the knock outs and think they only won one game in their group against USSR which was also a lucky win.
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Post by greyface on Jun 9, 2020 18:59:17 GMT
Italia 90 had the least goals per game for any World Cup up to that point (I think that still holds true still) Platini was able to force through the back pass rule change as a result Liverpool's domination declined from this time, OK there were other factors of course but the old routine of Grobelaar to Hanssen to Grobelaar to Lawrenson to Grobelaar to Hansen to Grobelaar e.t.c. that was incredibly tedious had to stop. Thought the back pass rule was after the 92 Euros?
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Post by lordb on Jun 9, 2020 19:02:22 GMT
Italia 90 had the least goals per game for any World Cup up to that point (I think that still holds true still) Platini was able to force through the back pass rule change as a result Liverpool's domination declined from this time, OK there were other factors of course but the old routine of Grobelaar to Hanssen to Grobelaar to Lawrenson to Grobelaar to Hansen to Grobelaar e.t.c. that was incredibly tedious had to stop. Thought the back pass rule was after the 92 Euros? Might have been but the impetus for the rule change was the concern at the ever decreasing number of goals at World Cups which reached its nadir at Italia 90. Think there were more goals at USA 94
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2020 19:45:29 GMT
Thought the back pass rule was after the 92 Euros? Might have been but the impetus for the rule change was the concern at the ever decreasing number of goals at World Cups which reached its nadir at Italia 90. Think there were more goals at USA 94 Italia 90 lowest per game closely followed by S Africa
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Post by PotterLog on Jun 10, 2020 0:41:49 GMT
Does anyone have any insight into why England fans switched from displaying Union Jacks to St George’s Crosses at around 1990? My first England away match was the famous nil nil against Italy in 1997. If you look back at footage now the flags were about half and half. It seemed to change after that with nearly all being St George cross flags within a couple of years. It was like England fans suddenly wanted their own countries identity to be noticed. I always think of Euro ´96 as when the balance tipped, or started to tip at least.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 10, 2020 2:38:22 GMT
30 years ago today USA got hammered 5-1 by Czechoslovakia. USA were shyte. There'd been much smirking about the USA and football and this hopeless showing didn't help their standing.
In the evening BBC showed Brazil beat Sweden 2-1. Careca took the ball past Ravelli and slid it home for the first. Barry Davies.. "And Carecaaaaaaa... will score". And he did.
Some of the matches (as well as the final group games) were played simultaneously and at halftime and fulltime there were updates and action from West Germany v Yugoslavia. West Germany were seriously impressive. 2 up at half time with Matthaus bossing it. They won 4-1 in the end. Particularly shiny because Yugoslavia weren't a bad side themselves.
It'd been an exhilarating start to the tournament.
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Post by noustie on Jun 10, 2020 8:33:11 GMT
Saw Andy Townsend tell an ace story about their quarter final. A day before the QF with Italy they went for a blessing at the Vatican. Pope’s doing the whole team then asks who the goalkeeper is because he used to play in goal in his youth. Bonner steps up and gets a bit of extra chit chat with the pope.
Ireland are well in the game then Italy have a speculative shot that Bonner spilled then Schillaci swept in. End of the game the whole changing room is flat and Bonner is sat on his own distraught blaming himself. Big Jack goes straight over to him and gets him up ‘Come on Paddy we got to the QF; we’ve done amazing; not your fault; get in shower lad’. Paddy picks up a bit and trudges off to the shower.
As soon as he’s around the corner Big Jack sits down next to Townsend, sparks up a massive cigar and says ‘You know what Andy? Bet the fucking pope would have saved that!’
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Post by noustie on Jun 10, 2020 8:58:51 GMT
I don’t know if it was because I was 10 so the first one I really paid attention to but always remember it loads more fondly than USA94. The Coca Cola balls were the bollocks and first sticker album. Loved Valerama with his crazy hair and their bonkers keeper costing them against Cameroon. The time keeping thing down the side seemed dead futuristic too.
Always remember the absolute horror of having to go into school after Scotland had lost v Costa Rica. Saw a documentary on it a few years back where Roxborough said they weren’t going make the mistakes of 78 again so were scouting everyone from pretty much as soon as the group was drawn. Scouts went to local Costa Rica games but soon found out none of the players were actually going to be selected because the national squad were in a compound. All their friendlies were behind closed doors, there was no Youtube and there was very little video footage they could get of qualification. As Scotland played them first game they literally had no idea of any of the players or the formation they played and had to mark by shirt numbers for set pieces in the first half. Said by half time they’d worked out that they played a 4-3-3 to protect their main man dropping in the whole so would have known how to play against them if it was a later game. Bit ‘If my aunty had baws’ about it but what I thought was interesting was that just 30 years ago a team could still fly so far under the radar – it would be impossible today.
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Post by lordb on Jun 10, 2020 11:24:30 GMT
I don’t know if it was because I was 10 so the first one I really paid attention to but always remember it loads more fondly than USA94. The Coca Cola balls were the bollocks and first sticker album. Loved Valerama with his crazy hair and their bonkers keeper costing them against Cameroon. The time keeping thing down the side seemed dead futuristic too. Always remember the absolute horror of having to go into school after Scotland had lost v Costa Rica. Saw a documentary on it a few years back where Roxborough said they weren’t going make the mistakes of 78 again so were scouting everyone from pretty much as soon as the group was drawn. Scouts went to local Costa Rica games but soon found out none of the players were actually going to be selected because the national squad were in a compound. All their friendlies were behind closed doors, there was no Youtube and there was very little video footage they could get of qualification. As Scotland played them first game they literally had no idea of any of the players or the formation they played and had to mark by shirt numbers for set pieces in the first half. Said by half time they’d worked out that they played a 4-3-3 to protect their main man dropping in the whole so would have known how to play against them if it was a later game. Bit ‘If my aunty had baws’ about it but what I thought was interesting was that just 30 years ago a team could still fly so far under the radar – it would be impossible today. Think most of us enjoyed that game😄
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 10, 2020 12:08:03 GMT
I don’t know if it was because I was 10 so the first one I really paid attention to but always remember it loads more fondly than USA94. The Coca Cola balls were the bollocks and first sticker album. Loved Valerama with his crazy hair and their bonkers keeper costing them against Cameroon. The time keeping thing down the side seemed dead futuristic too. Always remember the absolute horror of having to go into school after Scotland had lost v Costa Rica. Saw a documentary on it a few years back where Roxborough said they weren’t going make the mistakes of 78 again so were scouting everyone from pretty much as soon as the group was drawn. Scouts went to local Costa Rica games but soon found out none of the players were actually going to be selected because the national squad were in a compound. All their friendlies were behind closed doors, there was no Youtube and there was very little video footage they could get of qualification. As Scotland played them first game they literally had no idea of any of the players or the formation they played and had to mark by shirt numbers for set pieces in the first half. Said by half time they’d worked out that they played a 4-3-3 to protect their main man dropping in the whole so would have known how to play against them if it was a later game. Bit ‘If my aunty had baws’ about it but what I thought was interesting was that just 30 years ago a team could still fly so far under the radar – it would be impossible today. Think most of us enjoyed that game😄 30 years ago tomorrow 😜
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Post by noustie on Jun 10, 2020 16:24:55 GMT
Think most of us enjoyed that game😄 30 years ago tomorrow 😜 Ireland vs England was the same day too - far better game to post highlights of!
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Post by noustie on Jun 10, 2020 16:32:37 GMT
I don’t know if it was because I was 10 so the first one I really paid attention to but always remember it loads more fondly than USA94. The Coca Cola balls were the bollocks and first sticker album. Loved Valerama with his crazy hair and their bonkers keeper costing them against Cameroon. The time keeping thing down the side seemed dead futuristic too. Always remember the absolute horror of having to go into school after Scotland had lost v Costa Rica. Saw a documentary on it a few years back where Roxborough said they weren’t going make the mistakes of 78 again so were scouting everyone from pretty much as soon as the group was drawn. Scouts went to local Costa Rica games but soon found out none of the players were actually going to be selected because the national squad were in a compound. All their friendlies were behind closed doors, there was no Youtube and there was very little video footage they could get of qualification. As Scotland played them first game they literally had no idea of any of the players or the formation they played and had to mark by shirt numbers for set pieces in the first half. Said by half time they’d worked out that they played a 4-3-3 to protect their main man dropping in the whole so would have known how to play against them if it was a later game. Bit ‘If my aunty had baws’ about it but what I thought was interesting was that just 30 years ago a team could still fly so far under the radar – it would be impossible today. Think most of us enjoyed that game😄 I played in goal and every fucker was Cayasso when they scored for at least a week after
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Post by lordb on Jun 10, 2020 18:45:36 GMT
Ireland vs England was the same day too - far better game to post highlights of! The only good bit is when Linekar scored the camera shot included a massive union flag with the word 'bollocks' on it in huge letters
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2020 19:10:52 GMT
Ireland vs England was the same day too - far better game to post highlights of! Was at that. I remember what looked a nailed on penalty at the time, think was Chris Waddle went over and we were a bit amazed it wasn't given. Didn't complain though Diabolical game. Steve McMahon with the assist for Ireland
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Post by silsdenstokie on Jun 10, 2020 21:38:45 GMT
IT still remains my favourite World Cup
Plenty of memories Gazza Platt in the last minute against Belgium Italy spearheaded by Baggio and Scilachi (back up strikers at the start) Yogoslavia led by Stoikovic and Savicevic, great to watch West Germany in the early rounds, The first game and Cameroons attempts to decapitate Cannigia
Holland were the big disappointment for me, expected much more from them
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 11, 2020 3:40:02 GMT
30 years ago today Scotland started their campaign against Costa Rica. The thing is Scotland seemed to be doing well in the first half hour. They seemed to have the measure of their opponents anyway. BUT, as time wore on, the goal lack put them on edge. Then they started the second half all over the shop and that was that. After conceding they showed plenty of willingness to get back in it but the attacking was too ad hoc and they stuttered to defeat. Andy Roxburgh looked stunned. One of the tartan army was yelling it was worse than Peru!😁
Then in the evening England played Ireland. Ah well. Gazzetta Dello Sport's headline translated to 'No Football Please We're English'. Understandable sentiments. However, it would've been hard to claim Ireland had arrived to provide a glittering spectacle. In the second half Gascoigne actually pulled his arm back to throw a punch then stopped at the last second. The result wasn't too bad really. It was only two years since we'd been beaten in our first game so this wasn't a catastrophe. Not that you'd know by looking at the next days backpages. It could have been much worse.
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Post by outspaced on Jun 12, 2020 12:17:24 GMT
For England, would a fit Bryan Robson have helped us to go all the way or hindered us by Sir Bobby reigning in Gascoigne a bit?
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 12, 2020 12:49:13 GMT
For England, would a fit Bryan Robson have helped us to go all the way or hindered us by Sir Bobby reigning in Gascoigne a bit? Remember Robson was 33 by then. When he had to leave it was sad but not a total shock. He'd played well (especially v Netherlands) but wasn't the powerhouse he used to be. Age and injuries caught up with him.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 12, 2020 12:52:37 GMT
For England, would a fit Bryan Robson have helped us to go all the way or hindered us by Sir Bobby reigning in Gascoigne a bit? Remember Robson was 33 by then. When he had to leave it was sad but not a total shock. He'd played well (especially v Netherlands) but wasn't the powerhouse he used to be. Age and injuries caught up with him. Agree with this. And let’s face it, it wasn’t too much longer before we could call on Carton Palmer 😏
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 13, 2020 0:20:58 GMT
30 years since Maradona did his second hand of god. Defending on the nearpost he punched the ball clear. It was classily done though. Nobody picked it until tv replays spotted it. And they won 2-0 thus knocking Soviet Union out. They were a good side too. Duped by some dodgy reffing.
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Post by lordb on Jun 13, 2020 8:35:52 GMT
For England, would a fit Bryan Robson have helped us to go all the way or hindered us by Sir Bobby reigning in Gascoigne a bit? Remember Robson was 33 by then. When he had to leave it was sad but not a total shock. He'd played well (especially v Netherlands) but wasn't the powerhouse he used to be. Age and injuries caught up with him. Robson's injury in 1986 was a much bigger blow.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 13, 2020 10:03:50 GMT
Remember Robson was 33 by then. When he had to leave it was sad but not a total shock. He'd played well (especially v Netherlands) but wasn't the powerhouse he used to be. Age and injuries caught up with him. Robson's injury in 1986 was a much bigger blow. Agree. Robson’s fitness dominated preparations for 1986 as Keegan and Brooking dominated 1982. . I thought Robson made a mistake playing him Robson against Portugal and Morocco. He knackered himself up when he could’ve had an extra fortnight to get fitter. Injured players seems to be a recurring theme for England 🏴 in tournaments. Beckham 2002. Rooney 2006. Alex Ferguson said when he joined the shit Robson’s fitness consumed the whole club. It was as if there chances of winning were entirely dependent on him playing. He carried that team for a few years. I doubt he’d been 100% fit since 1984.
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Post by outspaced on Jun 13, 2020 11:46:13 GMT
Remember Robson was 33 by then. When he had to leave it was sad but not a total shock. He'd played well (especially v Netherlands) but wasn't the powerhouse he used to be. Age and injuries caught up with him. Robson's injury in 1986 was a much bigger blow. Beat me to it there lordb. I didn't realise Robson was 33 in 1990. 1986 would have been his peak World Cup. Might be pushing it with this but I wonder if Maradona would have scored that 2nd goal if Robson had been in the way?!
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 13, 2020 12:16:12 GMT
Robson's injury in 1986 was a much bigger blow. Beat me to it there lordb. I didn't realise Robson was 33 in 1990. 1986 would have been his peak World Cup. Might be pushing it with this but I wonder if Maradona would have scored that 2nd goal if Robson had been in the way?! He wouldn't have been able stop Maradona. But his presence wouldn't have gone amiss.
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