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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 7, 2020 23:31:08 GMT
It became a pivotal point in the development of English football. But going in, the seismic change couldn’t have been foreseen. Hooliganism was on the wane domestically but England away presented a different set of circumstances. How would it all turn out? The team was under siege from the media and, despite what gets suggested now, they wanted Bobby Robson’s balls on a plate. Robson was leaving after the competition having being deviously stitched up by his employer. The abuse he received was so vicious it actually turned the public on Robson’s side. However, the press wanted one last shot.
A World Cup in Italy in 1990 was perfect. The games global capital. A nation ready to revel in its footballing opulence. And surely a stately procession to Rome where the azzuri would undoubtedly lift the trophy.
The opening game was quite bonkers. Omam Biyik’s header slipping apologetically through Pumpido’s fingers and delighting the world, Then that sending off. Then the victorious bow as he left the pitch😀. A dramatic start to a month of planet football.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2020 3:48:57 GMT
Italy really were the best team in it for me.
England did well but won 1 game in 90 mins, a scrappy 1-0 v Egypt, Was the lowest goals per game of any World Cup tournament with few outstanding games. Was at a few games, Yugoslavia could have gone further and the final was shocking.
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Post by Veritas on Jun 8, 2020 7:41:07 GMT
Strange one really, the tournament had a few good games but was not that good overall and the final was dreadful. England were not that good partiularly in the early games but somehow got to the semi, how many times have we seen Germany do that but unlike them we didn’t go on to win the tournament. However, something did just click, the BBC coverage was good with an inspired pick of theme tune. England's stumbling progress was on the back of some dramatic finishes and of course we had Gazza and somehow the English public fell back into love with football. All the parts didn't add up to this happening but it did happen, as I said at the start, strange one really.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 8, 2020 8:28:41 GMT
Italy really were the best team in it for me. England did well but won 1 game in 90 mins, a scrappy 1-0 v Egypt, Was the lowest goals per game of any World Cup tournament with few outstanding games. Was at a few games, Yugoslavia could have gone further and the final was shocking. Yeah. Italy only conceded one goal and that was Zenga's semi final brainfart. IMHO the best team lifted the trophy but Italy were formidable.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2020 9:35:32 GMT
Italy really were the best team in it for me. England did well but won 1 game in 90 mins, a scrappy 1-0 v Egypt, Was the lowest goals per game of any World Cup tournament with few outstanding games. Was at a few games, Yugoslavia could have gone further and the final was shocking. Yeah. Italy only conceded one goal and that was Zenga's semi final brainfart. IMHO the best team lifted the trophy but Italy were formidable. Zenga was never great on pens either. Should have saved the first one but nowhere near the rest.
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Post by lordb on Jun 8, 2020 11:09:07 GMT
Italia 90 had the least goals per game for any World Cup up to that point (I think that still holds true still) Platini was able to force through the back pass rule change as a result
Liverpool's domination declined from this time, OK there were other factors of course but the old routine of Grobelaar to Hanssen to Grobelaar to Lawrenson to Grobelaar to Hansen to Grobelaar e.t.c. that was incredibly tedious had to stop.
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Post by bullring on Jun 8, 2020 12:11:38 GMT
I will always have great memories of italia 90,most things are age relevant i was 20 that year it took place in europe so the matches times were spot on,after Mexico four years earlier.Out in the pubs watching the games the Dutch on the saturday night, special to me even though the heartbreak of turin.It was of a different age i know a lot of stoke who went castle leek longton you could walk into Cagliari stand by a bar,a local would offer you tickets for our 3 games £75.Agree footy not the best but i still loved it all the strip the music even the agony being stoke helped
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2020 12:24:15 GMT
I will always have great memories of italia 90,most things are age relevant i was 20 that year it took place in europe so the matches times were spot on,after Mexico four years earlier.Out in the pubs watching the games the Dutch on the saturday night, special to me even though the heartbreak of turin.It was of a different age i know a lot of stoke who went castle leek longton you could walk into Cagliari stand by a bar,a local would offer you tickets for our 3 games £75.Agree footy not the best but i still loved it all the strip the music even the agony being stoke helped Were tickets going everywhere and for little money. Was very young at the time but travelled over and the only game I struggled in the group stage was Ireland v Netherlands as so many fans from each country and was in Palermo if I remember. England v Ireland were touts everywhere, was an abysmal group quality wise.
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Post by bullring on Jun 8, 2020 12:30:07 GMT
I will always have great memories of italia 90,most things are age relevant i was 20 that year it took place in europe so the matches times were spot on,after Mexico four years earlier.Out in the pubs watching the games the Dutch on the saturday night, special to me even though the heartbreak of turin.It was of a different age i know a lot of stoke who went castle leek longton you could walk into Cagliari stand by a bar,a local would offer you tickets for our 3 games £75.Agree footy not the best but i still loved it all the strip the music even the agony being stoke helped Were tickets going everywhere and for little money. Was very young at the time but travelled over and the only game I struggled in the group stage was Ireland v Netherlands as so many fans from each country and was in Palermo if I remember. England v Ireland were touts everywhere, was an abysmal group quality wise. you were very lucky to be there i didnt have the funds that year,yes poor group quality wise,sure our win over Egypt was the only victory in the group
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 8, 2020 13:05:22 GMT
Italia 90 had the least goals per game for any World Cup up to that point (I think that still holds true still) Platini was able to force through the back pass rule change as a result Liverpool's domination declined from this time, OK there were other factors of course but the old routine of Grobelaar to Hanssen to Grobelaar to Lawrenson to Grobelaar to Hansen to Grobelaar e.t.c. that was incredibly tedious had to stop. In Ireland v Egypt Bonner spent six minutes of the game holding the ball.
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Post by outspaced on Jun 8, 2020 13:23:13 GMT
After Cannigia had managed to stay upright after the first two chops at him there was no way he was surviving the 3rd and it was brutal!
Also, Andreas Brehme was outstanding in that World Cup.
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Post by supersimonstainrod on Jun 8, 2020 14:56:09 GMT
After Cannigia had managed to stay upright after the first two chops at him there was no way he was surviving the 3rd and it was brutal! Also, Andreas Brehme was outstanding in that World Cup. Great passage of play that,the ahem,naive Cameroonians in action: 😂
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Post by drfootball on Jun 8, 2020 15:17:47 GMT
I was 24 and 4 of us drove in my red Cortina down through France and into Italy for 2 weeks covering the early knockout stages, saw Platt's winner against Belgium in Bologna and the 3 2 win over Cameroon in Naples. Best holiday I've ever had and we still tell tales of it in the pub now....well before lockdown 😉
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2020 17:05:54 GMT
Were tickets going everywhere and for little money. Was very young at the time but travelled over and the only game I struggled in the group stage was Ireland v Netherlands as so many fans from each country and was in Palermo if I remember. England v Ireland were touts everywhere, was an abysmal group quality wise. you were very lucky to be there i didnt have the funds that year,yes poor group quality wise,sure our win over Egypt was the only victory in the group We got a hotel for six pounds a night. Booked in advance from a guide book. Huge ornate rooms, Turned out was a knocking shop . Some very scary looking rather elderly local ladies there.and we didn't cotton on until some locals told us in a bar. Back in Genoa was a few Brazilian ladies with no digs...had to do the decent thing. 👍
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Post by somersetstokie on Jun 8, 2020 17:20:51 GMT
I was in Italy at the time but watched things on the TV in bars and wasn't at any match. The main things I remember about it all was David Platt's goal in the quarter final against Cameroon, that semi final against Germany and the penalty shoot out, and the Italian, Paverroti, singing Nessen Dorma the whole while.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 8, 2020 18:14:40 GMT
It was a pretty rubbish tournament especially as a 10 year old. It was like every game was played at the pace of a Serie A league game. Stand out players for me were Lothar Matteus, Andy Brehme, Roberto Baggio and of course Toto Schillaci. Every time we smashed one in at school afterwards a cry of Schillaciiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii would be screamed from the goal scorer! It’s amazing to think that at this time France weren’t a force and Portugal would be regularly be on the receiving end of drubbings. Sorry for the rough spellings, couldn’t be arsed look them up!
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 8, 2020 18:17:29 GMT
Also met Lothar Matteus once whilst working on a gaming event in Dusseldorf and he was unexpectedly a thoroughly nice chap😀
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Post by basingstokie on Jun 8, 2020 19:28:56 GMT
First tournament I clearly remember (born in 1979 - v vague memories of 86), maybe others thought it was dull, but so many highlights for me;
Massing (rest in peace) on Canniggia Baggio v Czechoslovakia Platt v Belgium Voller & Rijkaard spitting Cameroon game (was on bbc recently, we were quite lucky) Germany v England ( I think we were unlucky in this one) Paddy Bonner saving Romania penalties The German kit ( one of my favourites ever), with Matthaus in his prime) The wonderful stadiums - San Siro just looked incredible
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2020 20:12:12 GMT
First tournament I clearly remember (born in 1979 - v vague memories of 86), maybe others thought it was dull, but so many highlights for me; Massing (rest in peace) on Canniggia Baggio v Czechoslovakia Platt v Belgium Voller & Rijkaard spitting Cameroon game (was on bbc recently, we were quite lucky) Germany v England ( I think we were unlucky in this one) Paddy Bonner saving Romania penaltiesThe German kit ( one of my favourites ever), with Matthaus in his prime) The wonderful stadiums - San Siro just looked incredible Was sat right behind Big Jack...he was so calm. This scene from The Van was so true of those around us when O'Leary stepped up...apart from Mrs Brown who was confident
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Post by doningtonphil on Jun 8, 2020 21:26:21 GMT
I have great memories of Italia 90, mainly because for most of the tournament the 13 year old me and my family were on a campsite in near Estartit in Spain. There was a bar on site that showed the games on a big screen. Typically campsites are full of dutch, germans, irish, belgians and it seemed whoever England were playing EVERYONE else supported the other team. But the atmosphere was great
I dont really remember how bad the tournament was, the highlight for me was David Platt's goal against Belgium.
But then there was the semi final against the germans. For some reason we watched that in a giant shed with a projector TV scree in it. I can only recall it being full of germans (and not eventheir multinational allies) and me and my dad. So we kept just a little bit quiet.
My favourite tournament memory was being in Zante for Euro 96. During the Holland game we nipped out of the bar at half time to phone home. By the time we were walking back to the bar the 2nd half had started and all of the bars erupted as Sheringham scored the 2nd.
I love been on holiday in Europe for a football tournament
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2020 21:50:55 GMT
I have great memories of Italia 90, mainly because for most of the tournament the 13 year old me and my family were on a campsite in near Estartit in Spain. There was a bar on site that showed the games on a big screen. Typically campsites are full of dutch, germans, irish, belgians and it seemed whoever England were playing EVERYONE else supported the other team. But the atmosphere was great I dont really remember how bad the tournament was, the highlight for me was David Platt's goal against Belgium. But then there was the semi final against the germans. For some reason we watched that in a giant shed with a projector TV scree in it. I can only recall it being full of germans (and not eventheir multinational allies) and me and my dad. So we kept just a little bit quiet. My favourite tournament memory was being in Zante for Euro 96. During the Holland game we nipped out of the bar at half time to phone home. By the time we were walking back to the bar the 2nd half had started and all of the bars erupted as Sheringham scored the 2nd. I love been on holiday in Europe for a football tournament It is a bit good Lucky to have been at 2 Euros and 3 World Cups including 2 finals. My favourite moment had to be in a bar in Bangkok, that Germany 4 England 1 game. Was in a small American pub , full of mainly English next door to a German Ale house, you could hear the Germans celebrating the goals. The Lampard incident, about 80% of the bar I was in spilled straight into the street to taunt the Germans only for this great ironic cheer to go up then a stampede back into the pub to see why the game was still going on. Being one of the two or three left behind I'd seen the replay and was gobsmacked. The poor American owner was fearing for his bar's safety . All went off peacefully in the end
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Post by walrus on Jun 8, 2020 22:16:07 GMT
Does anyone have any insight into why England fans switched from displaying Union Jacks to St George’s Crosses at around 1990?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2020 22:26:13 GMT
Does anyone have any insight into why England fans switched from displaying Union Jacks to St George’s Crosses at around 1990? I assumed because they were playing Scotland and were flying the cross of St Andrew
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 8, 2020 23:03:02 GMT
It's 30 years since Romania beat USSR 2-0. Lacatus scored with a blistering finish. Soviet Union were a strong side and were on the wrong end of a few crap ref decisions. I actually missed my cousin's wedding to watch it.
I went the wedding drink up at night at the Jubilee hall down Stoke. I sneaked out to the Glebe to watch Italy v Austria. What was impressive was how, despite wasting loads of chances, Italy remained steady and composed. Then Schillachi introduced himself to the world stage. The home crowd had been every bit as vociferous and colourful as expected. It was an impressive spectacle.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2020 23:13:28 GMT
It's 30 years since Romania beat USSR 2-0. Lacatus scored with a blistering finish. Soviet Union were a strong side and were on the wrong end of a few crap ref decisions. I actually missed my cousin's wedding to watch it. I went the wedding drink up at night at the Jubilee hall down Stoke. I sneaked out to the Glebe to watch Italy v Austria. What was impressive was how, despite wasting loads of chances, Italy remained steady and composed. Then Schillachi introduced himself to the world stage. The home crowd had been every bit as vociferous and colourful as expected. It was an impressive spectacle. I remember John Motson calling Lacatus 'The Playboy of Romanian football'. It did make me wonder if he had a namesake on the pitch as he looked like a crap postman. I remember waiting for about 4 hours in crazy heat in Genoa at the stadium to get tickets for ROI v Romania and wasn't until then that someone mentioned that Lacatus was suspended after a yellow v USSR. Italy were great to watch to be fair.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 9, 2020 1:40:45 GMT
Also met Lothar Matteus once whilst working on a gaming event in Dusseldorf and he was unexpectedly a thoroughly nice chap😀 Matthaus was the best player in the world at that point. He was complete.
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Post by Dutchpeter on Jun 9, 2020 8:03:18 GMT
Just prior to the World Cup, crowds were up, the standard of football was improving and one press commentator said ‘football was being played with a smile on its face’. The green shoots were already there.
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Post by mickstupp on Jun 9, 2020 8:07:41 GMT
Just prior to the World Cup, crowds were up, the standard of football was improving and one press commentator said ‘football was being played with a smile on its face’. The green shoots were already there. Apart from at Stoke, where we had just endured a horror season!
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Post by Dutchpeter on Jun 9, 2020 8:14:11 GMT
Just prior to the World Cup, crowds were up, the standard of football was improving and one press commentator said ‘football was being played with a smile on its face’. The green shoots were already there. Apart from at Stoke, where we had just endured a horror season! Although that season was dreadful for Stoke, our average crowds increased to 12,499 from 9,871 the previous season. So at least we stuck to the increased crowd bit
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Post by mickstupp on Jun 9, 2020 8:27:49 GMT
Apart from at Stoke, where we had just endured a horror season! Although that season was dreadful for Stoke, our average crowds increased to 12,499 from 9,871 the previous season. So at least we stuck to the increased crowd bit True. Crowds were up due to higher expectations caused by us spending a few quid over the summer. The boothen were chanting “bring out the champions” before the first game against West Ham! We also had games against Vale, and Wolves which inflated our average slightly.
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