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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 17, 2020 0:57:10 GMT
30 years ago today Ireland drew 0-0 with Egypt. Paddy Bonner spent six minutes of the game holding I wonder if this game was a factor in the backpass rule changes two years later. In 76/77 we played Middlesbrough and they backpassed from all over the pitch. Must've been a Jack Charlton thing. It as Greenhoff's last game for us I think. 😪😪 I couldn't get to Palermo so went to England v Netherlands instead. Another 0-0 of course, possibly the worst group in WC history. In 1986 England's group got nicknamed the group of sleep.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2020 1:12:17 GMT
I couldn't get to Palermo so went to England v Netherlands instead. Another 0-0 of course, possibly the worst group in WC history. In 1986 England's group got nicknamed the group of sleep. 1990 The Group of Dearth
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Post by noustie on Jun 17, 2020 9:12:49 GMT
can remember watching Sweden Scotland The 1990 game v Sweden, absolutely awful pen awarded to the Scots. Can't remember who it was, keeper saved the original shot then the player wen't down when the nearest player was 2 yards away. Roy Aitken - massive splasher of a dive. Saw Stuart McCall a couple of years back saying it was the only game he played in when they knew they were going win it in the tunnel. Aitken went mental in the changing room then Aitken, McLeish and Leighton (with his false teeth out) were all screaming 'AAARRRRRRRRGGGGHHHH' as they got in the tunnel then in the face of the Swedes as they went past. Robert Fleck (nae teeth either) was stood telling their centre back, who was a model, how he was going kick fuck out of him for 90 minutes and he wouldn't be modelling after. None of the Swedes made eye contact so the rest of the team just started going mental too. Sweden were a miles better side on paper (they got to the semis in 92 and 94) but watched the 90 minutes on IPlayer the other night and Scotland battered them.
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Post by noustie on Jun 17, 2020 9:27:52 GMT
I was really excited about Brazil because heard all the stories about them but they were absolutely dog shit in 90. Against Scotland they never really looked like scoring until Leighton fucked it with ten minutes to go and even then Mo Johnstone missed a sitter from 6 yards. Never had a problem with the Scots. really pulling for them that night, what a sitter that was at the end Got be honest it was really easy to not pull for England in previous tournaments although I remember my old man wanting them do well in 90 because of all the shit Bobby Robson was getting. Last World Cup though really liked Southgate. Think I could have just about coped if England won the whole thing although I probably wouldn't have watched tele for about a decade after.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2020 9:50:45 GMT
Never had a problem with the Scots. really pulling for them that night, what a sitter that was at the end Got be honest it was really easy to not pull for England in previous tournaments although I remember my old man wanting them do well in 90 because of all the shit Bobby Robson was getting. Last World Cup though really liked Southgate. Think I could have just about coped if England won the whole thing although I probably wouldn't have watched tele for about a decade after. not actually English...at least would have stopped all the 66 stuff
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2020 9:56:08 GMT
The 1990 game v Sweden, absolutely awful pen awarded to the Scots. Can't remember who it was, keeper saved the original shot then the player wen't down when the nearest player was 2 yards away. Roy Aitken - massive splasher of a dive. Saw Stuart McCall a couple of years back saying it was the only game he played in when they knew they were going win it in the tunnel. Aitken went mental in the changing room then Aitken, McLeish and Leighton (with his false teeth out) were all screaming 'AAARRRRRRRRGGGGHHHH' as they got in the tunnel then in the face of the Swedes as they went past. Robert Fleck (nae teeth either) was stood telling their centre back, who was a model, how he was going kick fuck out of him for 90 minutes and he wouldn't be modelling after. None of the Swedes made eye contact so the rest of the team just started going mental too. Sweden were a miles better side on paper (they got to the semis in 92 and 94) but watched the 90 minutes on IPlayer the other night and Scotland battered them. Seem to remember the commentator saying was a clear penalty....was an outrageous decision May have been Brian Moore. Didn't Fleck set up the first goal ? The Costa Rica goal ( sorry to bring up) never got the recognition it deserved due to the result. Was a great goal.
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Post by noustie on Jun 17, 2020 11:18:47 GMT
Roy Aitken - massive splasher of a dive. Saw Stuart McCall a couple of years back saying it was the only game he played in when they knew they were going win it in the tunnel. Aitken went mental in the changing room then Aitken, McLeish and Leighton (with his false teeth out) were all screaming 'AAARRRRRRRRGGGGHHHH' as they got in the tunnel then in the face of the Swedes as they went past. Robert Fleck (nae teeth either) was stood telling their centre back, who was a model, how he was going kick fuck out of him for 90 minutes and he wouldn't be modelling after. None of the Swedes made eye contact so the rest of the team just started going mental too. Sweden were a miles better side on paper (they got to the semis in 92 and 94) but watched the 90 minutes on IPlayer the other night and Scotland battered them. Seem to remember the commentator saying was a clear penalty....was an outrageous decision May have been Brian Moore. Didn't Fleck set up the first goal ? The Costa Rica goal ( sorry to bring up) never got the recognition it deserved due to the result. Was a great goal. In fairness it was a mint goal: Scotland were still haunted from 78 when they thought they could just turn up and beat Peru in South America. They ended up topping the group and Pele has Cubillas in his top 20 south american players ever. Second round they got humped by Brazil through their inferiority complex and from whatever jiggery pokery happened with Argentina. Against Costa Rica they had barely any scouting because their players were taken to a compound and barely any video footage of their qualifying. Scotland managed to get a spy in to one of their training sessions in Italy briefly and came back that the keeper was dodgy as fuck under the high ball. Scotland selected an out of form McInnally, who was pish, and humped the ball into the box for ages before realising the keeper they saw in training wasn't the same bloke. Their main keeper ended up getting into the squad of the tournament, never dropped a cross and played a blinder v us and even better against Brazil. They flew under the radar a bit but gave Brazil a scare plus beat Sweden who were highly rated. Against Chzechoslovakia the keeper was out and replaced by the flapper Scotland had spied ending in a 4-1 battering as he was a disaster. At Euro 92 Scotland tried to use what they'd learnt from Costa Rica by having most of training locked away and the only bits that were open nobody could have deduced line-up, formation and set peices. Saw an interview with Berti Vogts where he admitted to being that concerned about not knowing what they were up to that W. Germany ended up smuggling someone in and out in a bin/ drink sponsor costume to watch it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2020 11:56:06 GMT
I flew to Genoa on a plane full of Scots, was going to Sardinia on the ferry then to see Ireland. Saw Ireland play Romania in Genoa a few days later and were still a few Scots in town. A few Dundee lads were at the Ireland game. I think they'd lost track of what month it was :-)
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 19, 2020 2:54:15 GMT
30 years ago since this
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 20, 2020 1:53:19 GMT
30 years since Paul Gascoigne introduced himself on the world stage. He was ace against Netherlands. Beating men and playing telling balls. The many doubts about his ability to influence big stages faded away. England played really well. The big factor was the huge dramatic change in playing with Wright as a sweeper. (remember them?😀) The next day Bob Robson said they'd decided to play a sweeper against Netherlands before leaving England but that's hard to believe. They didn't experiment with it in any friendlies. For a 0-0 it was all triumphant. And however pleasing it was you can't help wishing Pearce's late goal had stood. Watched first half in the bird in hand and second half in the black lion. Scotland beat Sweden. Only saw highlights butbit looked like a good game. Andy Roxburgh with his tartan scarf. They nearly blew it. A they had do was avoid defeat against Brazil in the next game. Piece of piss! In the afternoon Brazil trudged to a dull 1-0 win over Costa Rica. It was wank. No sexy samba style skills there. Didn't stop the commentators shooting their load each time they took a goal kick though. I was really excited about Brazil because heard all the stories about them but they were absolutely dog shit in 90. Against Scotland they never really looked like scoring until Leighton fucked it with ten minutes to go and even then Mo Johnstone missed a sitter from 6 yards. 30 years ago today since this mate. A few minutes after the camera caught an angry Jim Leighton kicking the goalpost in frustration. During the Costa Rica game Mo Johnston kicked the post in frustration.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2020 2:01:52 GMT
I was really excited about Brazil because heard all the stories about them but they were absolutely dog shit in 90. Against Scotland they never really looked like scoring until Leighton fucked it with ten minutes to go and even then Mo Johnstone missed a sitter from 6 yards. 30 years ago today since this mate. A few minutes after the camera caught an angry Jim Leighton kicking the goalpost in frustration. During the Costa Rica game Mo Johnston kicked the post in frustration. One thing I remember re this game watching on TV in Italy, was a fella on our plane to Genoa days before, elderly Scottish fella and the air hostesses were brilliant. The allowed him to walk up and down the aisle playing his bagpipes during the flight as was loads of Scots on board. When we were watching this game on TV the camera on the crowd went to him in the stadium , the same guy with his bagpipes with a rather nice Brazilian fan dancing next to him who lifted her top up to the camera .
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 20, 2020 2:09:14 GMT
30 years ago today since this mate. A few minutes after the camera caught an angry Jim Leighton kicking the goalpost in frustration. During the Costa Rica game Mo Johnston kicked the post in frustration. One thing I remember re this game watching on TV in Italy, was a fella on our plane to Genoa days before, elderly Scottish fella and the air hostesses were brilliant. The allowed him to walk up and down the aisle playing his bagpipes during the flight as was loads of Scots on board. When we were watching this game on TV the camera on the crowd went to him in the stadium , the same guy with his bagpipes with a rather nice Brazilian fan dancing next to him who lifted her top up to the camera . Bagpipes in a confined space. Bloody hell. 😖
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2020 2:28:34 GMT
One thing I remember re this game watching on TV in Italy, was a fella on our plane to Genoa days before, elderly Scottish fella and the air hostesses were brilliant. The allowed him to walk up and down the aisle playing his bagpipes during the flight as was loads of Scots on board. When we were watching this game on TV the camera on the crowd went to him in the stadium , the same guy with his bagpipes with a rather nice Brazilian fan dancing next to him who lifted her top up to the camera . Bagpipes in a confined space. Bloody hell. 😖 I remember the Captain saying that the plane wouldn't land in Genoa until every beer on board was drunk. was nuts but great fun
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 21, 2020 11:55:42 GMT
30 years since we thrashed Egypt 1-0 to ensure qualification. There were disparaging remarks about it but we’d gone through. Egypt, who everyone praised we out. A decent outcome.
Ireland and Netherlands played out the last five minutes knowing they were both through. They drew lots. Ireland won the lots because they got Romania while Netherlands got West Germany 😀
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2020 13:30:18 GMT
30 years since we thrashed Egypt 1-0 to ensure qualification. There were disparaging remarks about it but we’d gone through. Egypt, who everyone praised we out. A decent outcome. Ireland and Netherlands played out the last five minutes knowing they were both through. They drew lots. Ireland won the lots because they got Romania while Netherlands got West Germany 😀 To be fair was more than 5 mins, Joe. I thought we'd got Germany on the way back to hotel but worked out great as was on the ferry to Genoa 2 days later and Romania game was there.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 21, 2020 13:38:03 GMT
30 years since we thrashed Egypt 1-0 to ensure qualification. There were disparaging remarks about it but we’d gone through. Egypt, who everyone praised we out. A decent outcome. Ireland and Netherlands played out the last five minutes knowing they were both through. They drew lots. Ireland won the lots because they got Romania while Netherlands got West Germany 😀 To be fair was more than 5 mins, Joe. I thought we'd got Germany on the way back to hotel but worked out great as was on the ferry to Genoa 2 days later and Romania game was there. But if it was West Germany you’d have gone to SAN Siro. But you’d have lost. 🤪
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2020 13:44:57 GMT
To be fair was more than 5 mins, Joe. I thought we'd got Germany on the way back to hotel but worked out great as was on the ferry to Genoa 2 days later and Romania game was there. But if it was West Germany you’d have gone to SAN Siro. But you’d have lost. 🤪 Without a doubt. Wasn't until the next morning realised was Romania. Was happy with that and even better when we realised no Lacatus but they were still a good side.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 21, 2020 13:55:46 GMT
But if it was West Germany you’d have gone to SAN Siro. But you’d have lost. 🤪 Without a doubt. Wasn't until the next morning realised was Romania. Was happy with that and even better when we realised no Lacatus but they were still a good side. Hagi too. Although 1994 was their peak. They should've beat Sweden to reach the semi really
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2020 14:06:24 GMT
Without a doubt. Wasn't until the next morning realised was Romania. Was happy with that and even better when we realised no Lacatus but they were still a good side. Hagi too. Although 1994 was their peak. They should've beat Sweden to reach the semi really Paul McGrath planted one on Hagi which went un-noticed. 94 they were quality
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 23, 2020 4:45:18 GMT
30 years since Higuita wentvall weird and handed Roger Milla superstardom. Complete with a dance at the cornerflag. It was ace because if we can just get Belgium we'll have a great chance because we'd beat Cameroon easy in the quarters. 😂
In the evening Skhuravy did a hat trick against Costa Rica.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 24, 2020 4:23:04 GMT
What a day 30 years ago today since Brazil v Argentina and West Germany v Netherlands on the same day. What a bloody line up. Europe and South America's deepest rivalries on show.
Brazil's defensive strategy was to hack Maradona. And he got away once and won them the game. Cannigia's confident finish sealing it. Football drama at it's most intense.
The night game is most famous for Rijkaard gobbling on Voller. Harsh on Brehme as his excellent clincher is overlooked.
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Post by noustie on Jun 24, 2020 9:02:18 GMT
What a day 30 years ago today since Brazil v Argentina and West Germany v Netherlands on the same day. What a bloody line up. Europe and South America's deepest rivalries on show. Brazil's defensive strategy was to hack Maradona. And he got away once and won them the game. Cannigia's confident finish sealing it. Football drama at it's most intense. The night game is most famous for Rijkaard gobbling on Voller. Harsh on Brehme as his excellent clincher is overlooked. Don't know if its just me but the Germans had some great players in that side who don't get as much recognition as they probably deserve. I'd have Matthaus in my best midfield since being old enough to watch world cups in 90 and Brehme, Berthold, Kohler, Littbarski, Hasler and Ilgner are almost totally forgotten about. Augenthaler who played in the final at 32 only got 20 odd caps but was named in Bayern's all time best XI in 2005 - that's how good their defence was!
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 24, 2020 9:20:24 GMT
What a day 30 years ago today since Brazil v Argentina and West Germany v Netherlands on the same day. What a bloody line up. Europe and South America's deepest rivalries on show. Brazil's defensive strategy was to hack Maradona. And he got away once and won them the game. Cannigia's confident finish sealing it. Football drama at it's most intense. The night game is most famous for Rijkaard gobbling on Voller. Harsh on Brehme as his excellent clincher is overlooked. Don't know if its just me but the Germans had some great players in that side who don't get as much recognition as they probably deserve. I'd have Matthaus in my best midfield since being old enough to watch world cups in 90 and Brehme, Berthold, Kohler, Littbarski, Hasler and Ilgner are almost totally forgotten about. Augenthaler who played in the final at 32 only got 20 odd caps but was named in Bayern's all time best XI in 2005 - that's how good their defence was! Agree. Matthaus was the best player in the world. They were the best team in it. Nobody could really begrudge them the title of world champions.
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Post by noustie on Jun 24, 2020 9:29:46 GMT
I was really excited about Brazil because heard all the stories about them but they were absolutely dog shit in 90. Against Scotland they never really looked like scoring until Leighton fucked it with ten minutes to go and even then Mo Johnstone missed a sitter from 6 yards. 30 years ago today since this mate. A few minutes after the camera caught an angry Jim Leighton kicking the goalpost in frustration. During the Costa Rica game Mo Johnston kicked the post in frustration. My dad thought that side was sh!t compared to the 74-78 side and 82-86 whereas I look at it now and think how we used to have a decent side in 90-92 compared to the shit of the last 20 years apart from the year we run France/Italy close - interesting how times change In the 24 team format there was only 13 european spots excluding host and Scotland qualified out of a group with Yugoslavia and France so must have had something about them.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 24, 2020 9:33:38 GMT
30 years ago today since this mate. A few minutes after the camera caught an angry Jim Leighton kicking the goalpost in frustration. During the Costa Rica game Mo Johnston kicked the post in frustration. My dad thought that side was sh!t compared to the 74-78 side and 82-86 whereas I look at it now and think how we used to have a decent side in 90-92 compared to the shit of the last 20 years apart from the year we run France/Italy close - interesting how times change In the 24 team format there was only 13 european spots excluding host and Scotland qualified out of a group with Yugoslavia and France so must have had something about them. Scotland's 74 and 78 squads were full of great players. 78 they'd have done lots better with a manager who wasn't such a dick.
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Post by noustie on Jun 24, 2020 9:48:32 GMT
My dad thought that side was sh!t compared to the 74-78 side and 82-86 whereas I look at it now and think how we used to have a decent side in 90-92 compared to the shit of the last 20 years apart from the year we run France/Italy close - interesting how times change In the 24 team format there was only 13 european spots excluding host and Scotland qualified out of a group with Yugoslavia and France so must have had something about them. Scotland's 74 and 78 squads were full of great players. 78 they'd have done lots better with a manager who wasn't such a dick. Have you seen the documentary about it on BBC? Worth looking for it on I-Player if you haven't as an interesting insight into how it was always likely to go mammory glands skyward. He was a bit of a dick but the SFA were an absolute shambles. The stuff with Willie Johnston was completely amatuer.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 24, 2020 11:33:34 GMT
Scotland's 74 and 78 squads were full of great players. 78 they'd have done lots better with a manager who wasn't such a dick. Have you seen the documentary about it on BBC? Worth looking for it on I-Player if you haven't as an interesting insight into how it was always likely to go mammory glands skyward. He was a bit of a dick but the SFA were an absolute shambles. The stuff with Willie Johnston was completely amatuer. I’ve watched it yes. Great tales.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2020 11:39:22 GMT
What a day 30 years ago today since Brazil v Argentina and West Germany v Netherlands on the same day. What a bloody line up. Europe and South America's deepest rivalries on show. Brazil's defensive strategy was to hack Maradona. And he got away once and won them the game. Cannigia's confident finish sealing it. Football drama at it's most intense. The night game is most famous for Rijkaard gobbling on Voller. Harsh on Brehme as his excellent clincher is overlooked. Don't know if its just me but the Germans had some great players in that side who don't get as much recognition as they probably deserve. I'd have Matthaus in my best midfield since being old enough to watch world cups in 90 and Brehme, Berthold, Kohler, Littbarski, Hasler and Ilgner are almost totally forgotten about. Augenthaler who played in the final at 32 only got 20 odd caps but was named in Bayern's all time best XI in 2005 - that's how good their defence was! To be fair I think Hasler and Brehme were seen as two of the best around at the time. Pierre Littbarski was a bit past his best but was a still a player in 90. One of my favourites as a kid, such a clever foil for Rummenigge in his time.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 24, 2020 12:06:45 GMT
Don't know if its just me but the Germans had some great players in that side who don't get as much recognition as they probably deserve. I'd have Matthaus in my best midfield since being old enough to watch world cups in 90 and Brehme, Berthold, Kohler, Littbarski, Hasler and Ilgner are almost totally forgotten about. Augenthaler who played in the final at 32 only got 20 odd caps but was named in Bayern's all time best XI in 2005 - that's how good their defence was! To be fair I think Hasler and Brehme were seen as two of the best around at the time. Pierre Littbarski was a bit past his best but was a still a player in 90. One of my favourites as a kid, such a clever foil for Rummenigge in his time. In 86 West Germany were plodders but still reached the final. By the time they actually built a great side there was only one winner.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2020 12:30:13 GMT
To be fair I think Hasler and Brehme were seen as two of the best around at the time. Pierre Littbarski was a bit past his best but was a still a player in 90. One of my favourites as a kid, such a clever foil for Rummenigge in his time. In 86 West Germany were plodders but still reached the final. By the time they actually built a great side there was only one winner. There was the accusation that they fielded a weakish side v Denmark to avoid the big boys in one side of the draw and only beat Morocco by a late goal and Mexico on pens. They weren't great but didn't concede in the knockout stages and Rummenigge wasn't fit. Briegel was a great player.
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