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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2020 13:18:29 GMT
Hard to believe Hansen was so overlooked by Scotland. Liverpool were competing with the best in Europe and he was left out of the WC squad. This was all a long time ago. Imo The last top class player to come out of Scotland was Gary McAllister and that must be over 30 years now. You don’t rate Andy Robertson then?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2020 13:20:27 GMT
Hard to believe Hansen was so overlooked by Scotland. Liverpool were competing with the best in Europe and he was left out of the WC squad. This was all a long time ago. Imo The last top class player to come out of Scotland was Gary McAllister and that must be over 30 years now. What about the Liverpool full back, Robertson?
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Post by wilcopotter on Jun 21, 2020 13:29:34 GMT
This was all a long time ago. Imo The last top class player to come out of Scotland was Gary McAllister and that must be over 30 years now. What about the Liverpool full back, Robertson? Fair enough👍, forgot about that player.
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 21, 2020 13:36:06 GMT
Okay, including some from after the 70s due to my age: Gordon Strachan John Collins Paul Lambert James McFadden Duncan Ferguson Gary McAllister Colin Hendry Gary Caldwell Alan Hutton Kevin Gallacher Darren Fletcher Kenny Dalglish and Alan Hansen weren’t too shabby, along with our “own” Lou Macari! Likewise Graeme Souness, Dennis Law, a bunch of Leeds players; Bremner, Jordan, McQueen, the Grey brothers, , a load of tidy midfield players like Asa Hartford, Don Masson, Bruce Ricoh, John Wark, John McGovern, the Saint and some hard as nail defenders like Ron Yeats, Dave MacKay, Martin Buchan. Loads of ‘em!
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Post by heworksardtho on Jun 21, 2020 14:53:17 GMT
Stopped off in a lay-by off the A9 once , did great business there myself 😎
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Post by bertiestan on Jun 21, 2020 15:02:57 GMT
Stopped off in a lay-by off the A9 once , did great business there myself 😎 🤣🤣🤣
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Post by wagsastokie on Jun 21, 2020 15:07:30 GMT
Kenny Dalglish and Alan Hansen weren’t too shabby, along with our “own” Lou Macari! Likewise Graeme Souness, Dennis Law, a bunch of Leeds players; Bremner, Jordan, McQueen, the Grey brothers, , a load of tidy midfield players like Asa Hartford, Don Masson, Bruce Ricoh, John Wark, John McGovern, the Saint and some hard as nail defenders like Ron Yeats, Dave MacKay, Martin Buchan. Loads of ‘em! You forgot the scorer of one of the greatest goals ever gemmill
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2020 17:20:51 GMT
What about the Liverpool full back, Robertson? Fair enough👍, forgot about that player. I get your point though mate and the days of the mass top quality Scottish imports have long gone.
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Post by Squeekster on Jun 21, 2020 17:24:09 GMT
Fair enough👍, forgot about that player. I get your point though mate and the days of the mass top quality Scottish imports have long gone. What about big Chris Iwelumo?
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Post by nickhfc on Jun 21, 2020 17:34:14 GMT
Go back to the 60 & 70s. Some of the best players in the Then first division were from N of the border. Nostalgia is not what it used to be, but try to name them. Mind boggling. Bremner Law Galbraith Please add more. Jimmy Robertson
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Post by wilcopotter on Jun 21, 2020 17:57:47 GMT
I get your point though mate and the days of the mass top quality Scottish imports have long gone. What about big Chris Iwelumo? Pipped at the post by Kenny Dalglish😉. Good shout though.
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Post by newsteadst3 on Jun 21, 2020 18:24:58 GMT
This was all a long time ago. Imo The last top class player to come out of Scotland was Gary McAllister and that must be over 30 years now. You don’t rate Andy Robertson then? Paul Mcstay gets in most stoke teams from early 80s to mid 90s Don't need be world class play for stoke
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2020 5:42:25 GMT
Interesting move in Scotland?
Robbie Nielson, the Dundee United manager, has left to drop down a division and go to back to Hearts. I wonder if that will open up a move for Shankland?
He seemed integral to the "Shankland would be better off staying here and he wants to show loyalty" routine they were trotting out in January.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jun 22, 2020 6:19:32 GMT
Do we really need Shankland? With Campbell, Vokes and also Powell who can play there I'd spend our money on other areas. I didn't mention Gregory as I hope we can offload him in the upcoming window! A good left back and a winger with pace should be our priority the next window!
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Post by bhp on Jun 22, 2020 7:33:14 GMT
Should be all over Aaron Hickey, looks to have bigger teams after him than us unfortunately solid player for his age
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Post by heworksardtho on Jun 22, 2020 8:49:55 GMT
Steven Tweed 😎
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Post by march4 on Jun 22, 2020 12:03:08 GMT
Not sure what’s happened to Scottish football.
It is in a sorry state even Hampden Park.
Throughout the 60’s and 70’s there was a conveyer belt of excellent Scottish players joining English clubs.
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Post by noustie on Jun 22, 2020 12:35:14 GMT
Aberdeen's Cup Winners Cup win in 83 was all Scottish players beating Bayern Munich in the quarters and Real Madrid in the final. Dundee United lost in the final of UEFA cup to Sven's Gothenburg side after beating Barca over two legs in the quarters. There's a few reasons for the downfall of Scottish football but between 80-90 Aberdeen won the league three times, Dundee United once and Hearts lost on season on goal difference. There was only one season where the OF finished first and second and no season where the best diddy was more than 9 points behind at the end. The 20 years or so up to Rangers bankruptcy the OF were one and two every season and the nearest diddy were 10-30 points adrift apart from one season Hearts were financially juiced. When gates stopped being split, tv money geared to top 2 positions and the OF bigger fan-base anyway the competition became pointless. Diddy teams bought cheap foreigners to keep up and the OF bought dear foreigners in their own mini-league so there was almost a decade of no talent at all coming through. As teams started needing to cut their clothes youth sides went out the window and facilities were a joke. It's only in the last few years this has began to improve again. A lot of SPL sides are now blooding youngsters and re-investing the money so there are a few youngsters who're semi-decent coming through. The secret for me though is getting them early as if they're left in the SPL too long they seem to stagnate. Souttar's older brother isn't as good now as he was at 17 and Scott McKenna has gone backwards massively. The other “problem” Scottish football had in the 90s was the influx of overseas players after the Premier League started. Up to that point, every top flight had a significant Scottish presence, often in terms of number as well as quality. (I reckon we were the exception, I’m struggling to think of many Stoke Scots in the 70s and 80s - Jimmy Robertson, and he wasn’t a mainstay... anyone else?). The spines of Liverpool, Leeds, Man Utd, Forest were often formed North of the border. It’s good, from a Scottish football perspective, to see that opening up again. There’s some excellent talent up here - we could do well with a manager with a good eye (because there’s plenty of guff too). Yeah defo access to overseas players had an impact too and the lack of talent coming through spiralled because it was cheaper to get better players than they were managing to create themselves. The drop in talent available was nuts: 1992 vs Netherlands at Euro 92: Goram; McKimmie; Gough; McPherson; Malpas; McStay; McClair; Durie; McCoist – Subs: Big Dunc and Kevin Gallacher. All could play top level. 2004 qualifying we’re using Rab Douglas; Maurice Ross; Pressley; Lee Wilkie; Stevie Crawford and Steven Thompson who’re Championship at best at a push for a couple of them. Looks like there’s some coming through now and that clubs are taking a punt again. Mental that Robertson ended up at Queens Park and McGinn was getting international call ups whilst playing in Scottish Championship. Gilmour looks a great prospect and his younger brother is supposed to be going Chelsea too. I think the problem is that SPL is like a microcosm of the English pyramid all the way down to the conference. Aberdeen get Championship crowds but with £5-6k their highest wage and Championship average being £8k even if they could afford to buy players off the other diddies they’re holding out for moves down south with can only be a good thing as competition is tougher – Souttar and McKenna have gone backwards for me. It must be a nightmare to scout because Aberdeen have Ferguson who at a push has potential for the Premier League. They’ve lost McLean and Shinnie who’re decent in the Championship but then have a pudding like Ash Taylor who’d struggle get a game League 1 side. You’ve then got teams like Killie, Livi etc with players not good enough tempt the big boys and that the rest of SPL can’t afford mixed in with some absolute shit. Scott Fraser at Dundee United is easily in my list of worst ever footballers seen live but he seems to be doing ok in League 1.
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Post by noustie on Jun 22, 2020 12:39:33 GMT
Do we really need Shankland? With Campbell, Vokes and also Powell who can play there I'd spend our money on other areas. I didn't mention Gregory as I hope we can offload him in the upcoming window! A good left back and a winger with pace should be our priority the next window! Sounds daft but all he does is score goals - he defo has that skill when he's in the box of being ice cold and rarely misses the target. He is doing it though despite most of United's team being dumplings but on the other hand they're overall slightly better dumplings than the rest of the league. His link up doesn't look great and he's not quick enough to stretch it. Can't see us building our whole style around him either to make it work.
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Post by lordb on Jun 22, 2020 16:15:27 GMT
The other “problem” Scottish football had in the 90s was the influx of overseas players after the Premier League started. Up to that point, every top flight had a significant Scottish presence, often in terms of number as well as quality. (I reckon we were the exception, I’m struggling to think of many Stoke Scots in the 70s and 80s - Jimmy Robertson, and he wasn’t a mainstay... anyone else?). The spines of Liverpool, Leeds, Man Utd, Forest were often formed North of the border. It’s good, from a Scottish football perspective, to see that opening up again. There’s some excellent talent up here - we could do well with a manager with a good eye (because there’s plenty of guff too). Yeah defo access to overseas players had an impact too and the lack of talent coming through spiralled because it was cheaper to get better players than they were managing to create themselves. The drop in talent available was nuts: 1992 vs Netherlands at Euro 92: Goram; McKimmie; Gough; McPherson; Malpas; McStay; McClair; Durie; McCoist – Subs: Big Dunc and Kevin Gallacher. All could play top level. 2004 qualifying we’re using Rab Douglas; Maurice Ross; Pressley; Lee Wilkie; Stevie Crawford and Steven Thompson who’re Championship at best at a push for a couple of them. Looks like there’s some coming through now and that clubs are taking a punt again. Mental that Robertson ended up at Queens Park and McGinn was getting international call ups whilst playing in Scottish Championship. Gilmour looks a great prospect and his younger brother is supposed to be going Chelsea too. I think the problem is that SPL is like a microcosm of the English pyramid all the way down to the conference. Aberdeen get Championship crowds but with £5-6k their highest wage and Championship average being £8k even if they could afford to buy players off the other diddies they’re holding out for moves down south with can only be a good thing as competition is tougher – Souttar and McKenna have gone backwards for me. It must be a nightmare to scout because Aberdeen have Ferguson who at a push has potential for the Premier League. They’ve lost McLean and Shinnie who’re decent in the Championship but then have a pudding like Ash Taylor who’d struggle get a game League 1 side. You’ve then got teams like Killie, Livi etc with players not good enough tempt the big boys and that the rest of SPL can’t afford mixed in with some absolute shit. Scott Fraser at Dundee United is easily in my list of worst ever footballers seen live but he seems to be doing ok in League 1. 'Aberdeen get Championship crowds' 2018/19 Aberdeen average was 14924 Championship average was 20181 for the same season to be fair if they were playing in the Championship they might get bigger crowds
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Post by noustie on Jun 22, 2020 16:50:13 GMT
Yeah defo access to overseas players had an impact too and the lack of talent coming through spiralled because it was cheaper to get better players than they were managing to create themselves. The drop in talent available was nuts: 1992 vs Netherlands at Euro 92: Goram; McKimmie; Gough; McPherson; Malpas; McStay; McClair; Durie; McCoist – Subs: Big Dunc and Kevin Gallacher. All could play top level. 2004 qualifying we’re using Rab Douglas; Maurice Ross; Pressley; Lee Wilkie; Stevie Crawford and Steven Thompson who’re Championship at best at a push for a couple of them. Looks like there’s some coming through now and that clubs are taking a punt again. Mental that Robertson ended up at Queens Park and McGinn was getting international call ups whilst playing in Scottish Championship. Gilmour looks a great prospect and his younger brother is supposed to be going Chelsea too. I think the problem is that SPL is like a microcosm of the English pyramid all the way down to the conference. Aberdeen get Championship crowds but with £5-6k their highest wage and Championship average being £8k even if they could afford to buy players off the other diddies they’re holding out for moves down south with can only be a good thing as competition is tougher – Souttar and McKenna have gone backwards for me. It must be a nightmare to scout because Aberdeen have Ferguson who at a push has potential for the Premier League. They’ve lost McLean and Shinnie who’re decent in the Championship but then have a pudding like Ash Taylor who’d struggle get a game League 1 side. You’ve then got teams like Killie, Livi etc with players not good enough tempt the big boys and that the rest of SPL can’t afford mixed in with some absolute shit. Scott Fraser at Dundee United is easily in my list of worst ever footballers seen live but he seems to be doing ok in League 1. 'Aberdeen get Championship crowds' 2018/19 Aberdeen average was 14924 Championship average was 20181 for the same season to be fair if they were playing in the Championship they might get bigger crowds In fairness in the current season Reading's average is 14,442 and they're 15th biggest and Hearts n Hibs would be in 14th. That's playing in a shit league with nowt play for - not saying they'd swarm in but Hibs vs Hearts recently gets 20,000 and back in the late 80's / early 90's got near 30,000. United got 14,000 vs Dundee in the Championship too so there's 7 clubs who get decent enough crowds - just 6 of them don't have any money.
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