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Post by robwahlmann on Apr 7, 2020 18:39:08 GMT
First a left back, and now a right winger! I really like the sound coming out now!
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Post by Squeekster on Apr 7, 2020 20:26:02 GMT
The quality of football is really poor. Having said that, the odd gem will remain just as they do in the English 4th Division. Very true March, it wasn't that long ago that James Maddison was playing for Coventry and a loan period in Scotland.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2020 21:38:38 GMT
Mark McNally Dominic Matteo Stephen Pearson
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Post by noustie on Apr 8, 2020 9:37:30 GMT
Mark McNally Dominic Matteo Stephen Pearson Stephen Pearson always seemed a better prospect to me at Motherwell than McFadden but again went backwards because his game time was limited at Celtic. He came on after about 25 minutes for Fletcher in Paris when Scotland won 0-1 and was absolutely outstanding.
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Post by noustie on Apr 8, 2020 9:48:35 GMT
Aberdeen's Cup Winners Cup win in 83 was all Scottish players beating Bayern Munich in the quarters and Real Madrid in the final. Dundee United lost in the final of UEFA cup to Sven's Gothenburg side after beating Barca over two legs in the quarters. There's a few reasons for the downfall of Scottish football but between 80-90 Aberdeen won the league three times, Dundee United once and Hearts lost on season on goal difference. There was only one season where the OF finished first and second and no season where the best diddy was more than 9 points behind at the end. The 20 years or so up to Rangers bankruptcy the OF were one and two every season and the nearest diddy were 10-30 points adrift apart from one season Hearts were financially juiced. When gates stopped being split, tv money geared to top 2 positions and the OF bigger fan-base anyway the competition became pointless. Diddy teams bought cheap foreigners to keep up and the OF bought dear foreigners in their own mini-league so there was almost a decade of no talent at all coming through. As teams started needing to cut their clothes youth sides went out the window and facilities were a joke. It's only in the last few years this has began to improve again. A lot of SPL sides are now blooding youngsters and re-investing the money so there are a few youngsters who're semi-decent coming through. The secret for me though is getting them early as if they're left in the SPL too long they seem to stagnate. Souttar's older brother isn't as good now as he was at 17 and Scott McKenna has gone backwards massively. Good Post, James Forrest stopped improving up there til BR took over at Celtic, Barry Ferguson came down to Premier League too late also Aiden Mcgeady, born in Scotland, needed to leave Celtic earlier. Stay there too long and you don't improve might be why Gilmour got out I was surprised when I found out Forrest is 29 in a few months time and definately think BR saved him. He use to drive me mad playing for Scotland because instead of tracking back he'd fuck about with his socks regularly and had no positional sense so use to charge about headless looking like he was carrying two invisable suitcases. Brown is an example of a player who needed to get out - he could have gone to the Premier League but shit out deciding he'd prefer to win loads of cheap trophies instead. Complete flat-track bully who could have definately gone further for me. Aaron Hickey at Hearts is one to keep an eye on - not really sure of his best position as he's played both full backs and midfield. He's 18 and already made 30 first team appearences not looking out of place although Hearts being bottom does seem to have knocked him like the rest of the team.
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Post by Shut Yer Pus on Apr 8, 2020 14:30:41 GMT
As a part timer at Tannadice I can vouch for this boy, decent potential, but again it comes down to the level he's currently at, only last season he was booting a ball around at junior level on Broughty Ferry Whitton Park, so a massive difference, but shown flashes and responsible for a lot of the Shankland goals. A local boy despite the name, 21 - born in Perth - likes to attack the full backs and run at them, a dying breed but maybe something MON can develop ? the72.co.uk/160202/stoke-city-targeting-move-for-dundee-united-winger-louis-appere/
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Post by lordb on Apr 8, 2020 21:51:59 GMT
As a part timer at Tannadice I can vouch for this boy, decent potential, but again it comes down to the level he's currently at, only last season he was booting a ball around at junior level on Broughty Ferry Whitton Park, so a massive difference, but shown flashes and responsible for a lot of the Shankland goals. A local boy despite the name, 21 - born in Perth - likes to attack the full backs and run at them, a dying breed but maybe something MON can develop ? the72.co.uk/160202/stoke-city-targeting-move-for-dundee-united-winger-louis-appere/Would buying both of them make more sense than just the one?
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Post by liathroid on Apr 8, 2020 22:07:58 GMT
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Post by newsteadst3 on Apr 9, 2020 20:00:47 GMT
Good Post, James Forrest stopped improving up there til BR took over at Celtic, Barry Ferguson came down to Premier League too late also Aiden Mcgeady, born in Scotland, needed to leave Celtic earlier. Stay there too long and you don't improve might be why Gilmour got out I was surprised when I found out Forrest is 29 in a few months time and definately think BR saved him. He use to drive me mad playing for Scotland because instead of tracking back he'd fuck about with his socks regularly and had no positional sense so use to charge about headless looking like he was carrying two invisable suitcases. Brown is an example of a player who needed to get out - he could have gone to the Premier League but shit out deciding he'd prefer to win loads of cheap trophies instead. Complete flat-track bully who could have definately gone further for me. Aaron Hickey at Hearts is one to keep an eye on - not really sure of his best position as he's played both full backs and midfield. He's 18 and already made 30 first team appearences not looking out of place although Hearts being bottom does seem to have knocked him like the rest of the team. Turnbull and Campbell at Motherwell, Lewis Ferguson, theres a few we could look at and young hickey too
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Post by robwahlmann on Apr 9, 2020 20:12:16 GMT
Will we afford any new players when Badou, Etebo, Wimmer, Bauer and Woods return, maybe even Afobe!? If we're stuck with all these expensive players we'll probably struggle with the FFP as it stands? I'm really starting to doubt if there will be any takers after the corona crisis, but what do you think?
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Post by lordb on Apr 9, 2020 20:42:25 GMT
Will we afford any new players when Badou, Etebo, Wimmer, Bauer and Woods return, maybe even Afobe!? If we're stuck with all these expensive players we'll probably struggle with the FFP as it stands? I'm really starting to doubt if there will be any takers after the corona crisis, but what do you think? That's one good reason to shop in Scotland Five of those would cost less,much much less, including wages than any one of those
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Post by bolders on Apr 9, 2020 21:28:36 GMT
Will we afford any new players when Badou, Etebo, Wimmer, Bauer and Woods return, maybe even Afobe!? If we're stuck with all these expensive players we'll probably struggle with the FFP as it stands? I'm really starting to doubt if there will be any takers after the corona crisis, but what do you think? That's one good reason to shop in Scotland Five of those would cost less,much much less, including wages than any one of those Could buy one of the clubs in Scotland with what those have cost us!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2020 22:36:08 GMT
Yeah but it’s all well and good doing business in Scotland , you have to move quick. As the OF cherry pick off the other clubs, Stewart Armstrong moved from Dundee United to Celtic, Ryan Christie Inverness Caly to Celtic, see also Ryan Jack Aberdeen to Rangers, so if they don’t come down here they go to the OF! Scott Brown the same.
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Post by liathroid on Apr 10, 2020 10:32:26 GMT
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 14, 2020 8:39:42 GMT
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Post by MilanStokie on Apr 14, 2020 8:53:10 GMT
He might win us a few penalties. I've heard he's a rather splendid diver
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2020 8:57:29 GMT
Yuk, Scottish football. Look at all those artificial pitches... Looks a decent finisher with both feet and head to be fair. Looks to be the profile of player we should have been looking at post relegation, instead of banjoing almost 20M on Afobe and Vokes...
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 14, 2020 9:04:10 GMT
Do we know what sort of striker he is? Because he looks very Campbellesqe on there but a bit bigger and slower. Do we need another poacher sort? If that's what he is (which from a 2 minute clip is what I've deduced ).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2020 9:04:47 GMT
Yuk, Scottish football. Look at all those artificial pitches... Looks a decent finisher with both feet and head to be fair. Looks to be the profile of player we should have been looking at post relegation, instead of banjoing almost 20M on Afobe and Vokes... The music was doing my nut in. Sounds like a Faroe Island Eurovision entry. Have to admit I watch quite a bit of Scottish footie but can't recall this chap.
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Post by scfc75 on Apr 14, 2020 9:33:41 GMT
Do we know what sort of striker he is? Because he looks very Campbellesqe on there but a bit bigger and slower. Do we need another poacher sort? If that's what he is (which from a 2 minute clip is what I've deduced ). Definitely made to look like a 6 yard box guy in that clip.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2020 9:45:40 GMT
Do we know what sort of striker he is? Because he looks very Campbellesqe on there but a bit bigger and slower. Do we need another poacher sort? If that's what he is (which from a 2 minute clip is what I've deduced ). Definitely made to look like a 6 yard box guy in that clip. Big target man type, but can play a bit too , who up until this season struggled a little bit, didn’t do much with QoS In the Championship, However this season he’s played really well and gave a Rangers and Celtic Fits earlier in the season
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 20, 2020 21:43:52 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2020 21:49:09 GMT
He simply cannot be any worse than the gutless tosser that currently resides there.
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 21, 2020 7:26:44 GMT
Aberdeen's Cup Winners Cup win in 83 was all Scottish players beating Bayern Munich in the quarters and Real Madrid in the final. Dundee United lost in the final of UEFA cup to Sven's Gothenburg side after beating Barca over two legs in the quarters. There's a few reasons for the downfall of Scottish football but between 80-90 Aberdeen won the league three times, Dundee United once and Hearts lost on season on goal difference. There was only one season where the OF finished first and second and no season where the best diddy was more than 9 points behind at the end. The 20 years or so up to Rangers bankruptcy the OF were one and two every season and the nearest diddy were 10-30 points adrift apart from one season Hearts were financially juiced. When gates stopped being split, tv money geared to top 2 positions and the OF bigger fan-base anyway the competition became pointless. Diddy teams bought cheap foreigners to keep up and the OF bought dear foreigners in their own mini-league so there was almost a decade of no talent at all coming through. As teams started needing to cut their clothes youth sides went out the window and facilities were a joke. It's only in the last few years this has began to improve again. A lot of SPL sides are now blooding youngsters and re-investing the money so there are a few youngsters who're semi-decent coming through. The secret for me though is getting them early as if they're left in the SPL too long they seem to stagnate. Souttar's older brother isn't as good now as he was at 17 and Scott McKenna has gone backwards massively. The other “problem” Scottish football had in the 90s was the influx of overseas players after the Premier League started. Up to that point, every top flight had a significant Scottish presence, often in terms of number as well as quality. (I reckon we were the exception, I’m struggling to think of many Stoke Scots in the 70s and 80s - Jimmy Robertson, and he wasn’t a mainstay... anyone else?). The spines of Liverpool, Leeds, Man Utd, Forest were often formed North of the border. It’s good, from a Scottish football perspective, to see that opening up again. There’s some excellent talent up here - we could do well with a manager with a good eye (because there’s plenty of guff too).
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Post by wilcopotter on Jun 21, 2020 7:38:38 GMT
From Scots Prem to Championship is still a big jump. Also, hope we don’t limit our chances by fishing in to small a pool. Even so, we have to trust MON. Plus, we’ve got the job of staying up still to do, or we won’t even see the likes of Martin Boyle arriving.
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Post by rorystowel on Jun 21, 2020 11:52:13 GMT
Go back to the 60 & 70s. Some of the best players in the Then first division were from N of the border. Nostalgia is not what it used to be, but try to name them. Mind boggling. Bremner Law Galbraith Please add more. Okay, including some from after the 70s due to my age: Gordon Strachan John Collins Paul Lambert James McFadden Duncan Ferguson Gary McAllister Colin Hendry Gary Caldwell Alan Hutton Kevin Gallacher Darren Fletcher Brian McClair Alan Brazil
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2020 11:55:20 GMT
Go back to the 60 & 70s. Some of the best players in the Then first division were from N of the border. Nostalgia is not what it used to be, but try to name them. Mind boggling. Bremner Law Galbraith Please add more. Okay, including some from after the 70s due to my age: Gordon Strachan John Collins Paul Lambert James McFadden Duncan Ferguson Gary McAllister Colin Hendry Gary Caldwell Alan Hutton Kevin Gallacher Darren Fletcher Kenny Dalglish and Alan Hansen weren’t too shabby, along with our “own” Lou Macari!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2020 12:53:12 GMT
Okay, including some from after the 70s due to my age: Gordon Strachan John Collins Paul Lambert James McFadden Duncan Ferguson Gary McAllister Colin Hendry Gary Caldwell Alan Hutton Kevin Gallacher Darren Fletcher Kenny Dalglish and Alan Hansen weren’t too shabby, along with our “own” Lou Macari! Hard to believe Hansen was so overlooked by Scotland. Liverpool were competing with the best in Europe and he was left out of the WC squad.
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Post by wilcopotter on Jun 21, 2020 13:14:44 GMT
Kenny Dalglish and Alan Hansen weren’t too shabby, along with our “own” Lou Macari! Hard to believe Hansen was so overlooked by Scotland. Liverpool were competing with the best in Europe and he was left out of the WC squad. This was all a long time ago. Imo The last top class player to come out of Scotland was Gary McAllister and that must be over 30 years now.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2020 13:17:06 GMT
Go back to the 60 & 70s. Some of the best players in the Then first division were from N of the border. Nostalgia is not what it used to be, but try to name them. Mind boggling. Bremner Law Galbraith Please add more. Okay, including some from after the 70s due to my age: Gordon Strachan John Collins Paul Lambert James McFadden Duncan Ferguson Gary McAllister Colin Hendry Gary Caldwell Alan Hutton Kevin Gallacher Darren Fletcher Brian McClair Alan Brazil Hope Alan Rough doesn't read this board
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